getting rid of demons ­ lecture notes

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1) John:

>> One article can be found at www.itmonline.org

(not free-access), called " Disorders caused by demons (16 pgs).

 

Attilio:

>>The article 'Disorders Caused by Demons' was

actually written by Subhuti Dharamananda. Just in

case anyone is trying to find it.

 

I looked through that site, found only a book (10

chapters) on Shen. What do you mean by " not free

access " ? By subscription, or just hidden?

 

2) Mon, 12 Feb 2007 04:45:07 0000, " " < wrote:

> gui2 / ghost, devil, demon

Wenlin has no entry for Gui2.

Wenlin and WIseman have ¹í as Gui3 (not Gui2).

 

My error. Gui3. Also, yao4 (goblin, sorcerer) should be yao1.

BTW What is Wenlin? a dictionary?

 

3) Apropos dictionaries, I picked up one a while

ago (used from Amazon) " Mathews' Chinese-English

Dictionary " , by R. H. Matthews, originally 1931,

revised (19th) " American " edition, 2000, from

Harvard Univ. Press. Looked through it briefly,

at first put-off by non-pinyin spellings (you've

got to know, e.g. to look not under " gu " , but " ku " .).

 

Looked back into it yesterday and was more

impressed. It has 7773 entries, numbered. Uses,

of course (1931), traditional characters. I

compared all the characters derived from radical

gui3 with those in my (official) pinyin

dictionary, and sketched the characters (using

the Microsoft utility " Paint " and the mouse as

pen) their somewhat rough, but probably

recognizable. (My characters look much better drawn with a pen or brush.)

 

BTW, does anyone know how to get real Chinese

characters into MSWord text documents? (Short of

buying expensive software.) Any " freeware "

systems for this? My system (Windows 2000+all

updates), does show Chinese in the browser (Mozilla).

 

Since graphics (.bmp or .jpg) get factored-out as

attachments, and these don't get through to

groups, I've imported a MSWord file

(gui_characters.doc) into the site, under " Files " .

 

The comparison shows that there's a commonality

of terms and general meanings, across the gap

between republican China through the eyes of a

scholarly (Christian) missionary (Matthews), the

rabidly anti-religious CCP (my pinyin dictionary

was published, in effect, by the PRC government).

The commonality resembles that between Jeffery

Yuen's information, that of 's teacher,

and (I suspect, not having read it in detail)

Lonny Jarret's / Worsley's ideas.

 

But it also demonstrates that the Chinese

language, and its dictionaries are in a state of

flux and diversity / plurality / disagreement, as

are their philosophies, religions and medicine.

(In the web citation I furnished earlier titled

" Chinese Etymology " one can see the mind-boggling

diversity in present-day Chinese language

dialects.) I can well imagine the sense of

urgency of motivation for the government their to

attempt to " standardize " things, to appear

credible to the West as well as maintain, even

tighten control over their society. (As also in

the " UN " issues with Chinese language I suspect

the CCP is at the root of that effort.) I'd say,

however, their chances of achieving

standardization on their terms, and in a manner

that will stick historically, as extremely

remote. Look at any comprehensive history of

Chinese culture e.g. Unschuld's …A History of

Ideas, or the book Mike Bowser recently

mentioned, Fire over Heaven by Roy Collins, or

The Mountain of Fame. What possible reason is

there to believe that the pattern of continuous

political, ideological, social change marking

that history is about to be changed?

 

 

 

 

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On 2/14/07, < wrote:

 

 

But it also demonstrates that the Chinese

language, and its dictionaries are in a state of

flux and diversity / plurality / disagreement, as

are their philosophies, religions and medicine.

(In the web citation I furnished earlier titled

" Chinese Etymology " one can see the mind-boggling

diversity in present-day Chinese language

dialects.)

 

 

lexicons are by nature in a continual, dynamic state of flux.

 

 

 

I can well imagine the sense of

urgency of motivation for the [chinese] government their to

attempt to " standardize " things, to appear

credible to the West as well as maintain, even

tighten control over their society.

 

 

 

they may want to attempt to control their society via the language, but its

an inachievable goal. see point #1, above.

 

 

As also in the " UN " issues with Chinese language I suspect

the CCP is at the root of that effort.

 

 

interesting take, and seems plausible.

 

 

 

I'd say,

however, their chances of achieving

standardization on their terms, and in a manner

that will stick historically, as extremely

remote. Look at any comprehensive history of

Chinese culture e.g. Unschuld's …A History of

Ideas, or the book Mike Bowser recently

mentioned, Fire over Heaven by Roy Collins, or

The Mountain of Fame. What possible reason is

there to believe that the pattern of continuous

political, ideological, social change marking

that history is about to be changed?

 

 

agreed.

 

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