Hepatitis C -Traditional Jewish therapy performed

[Guest guest]

Dear friends, colleagues and teachers,

 

I wanted to revisit with you a therapy that I written about in the past, and

have used before successfully. This morning a patient with long standing

Hepatitis C (40 years), came into my office for treatment (she suspects that as

a young girl she became infected by a transfusion at age 12. She is now 55).

She has had elevated liver enzymes, and recently has had an exascerbation of

purpura and petechia, which are very painful on her legs. Her Kd Yang pulse was

choppy, but generally her other pulses were slippery, thready and wiry. Her

tongue was short, pale with a thin white coat, and the sides a little more pale.

 

There is a concept in Jewish tradition called " Segula. " Literally translated

as " a treasure " , a segula is a cure which defies logic, which has been handed

down through oral transmission from generation to generation, and which clearly

works! A Jewish scholarly text (Rabenu Bachaye al HaTorah) brings down, for

example, that when the Jews reached Mara, (the place of bitter waters, shortly

after crossing the Red Sea, and before reaching Mount Sinai) Ha-Shem taught and

tested Moses on the healing properties of plants, both their natural medicinal

properties as well as their " segula " properties, which defied logic.

 

 

A famous Segula which is brought down in the holy book, " Ta'amei Minhagim

U'Mekorei Dinim " , is the cure for Hepatitis. The procedure is brought down as

follows: " One takes a male dove or pigeon for a man with Hepatitis and a female

dove or pigeon for a woman with Hepatitis and places the anus of the dove firmly

upon the umbilicus of the sick person, and the person will recover. "

 

The first time I saw it done was on my wife and myself when we each came down

with Hepatitis A upon returning from Israel in 1982. Immediately upon having the

first dove placed upon my umbilicus, I felt a suction, and the dove started

rhythmically pulsating. Then it died. My complexion immediately changed from

yellow to pink, and I felt stronger. After 7 doves had died, it stopped working.

Yet when we changed doves, it worked again, and we later realized that when it

hadn't worked, we had mistakenly used a female! All told 11 doves died on me and

7 died on my wife. Two months later I was able to drink 4 glasses of wine on

Passover, and my liver had completely recovered. An interesting footnote, is

that doves used in this segula were autopsied at Hadassah hospital in Jerusalem,

and it was determined that the cause of death was asphyxiation (choking) rather

than hepatitis!

 

Though I had treated multiple patients suffering from Hep A, this was my first

case of

Hep C. I integrated acupuncture into the treatment and needled LI 4, LV3 and

GB34 bilaterally. The pattern though was the same: 10 doves over 3 hours,

died during the treatment and her scleral and facial color changed quite

dramatically from pale with a yellowish tinge, to reddish pink. The last dove

took much longer than the others to die. She is going to have liver function

tests done and I will report back to you with results.

 

Sincerely,

 

Yehuda

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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hahaha that's impossible!

 

Hugo

 

wrote:

 

Though I had treated multiple patients suffering from Hep A, this was my

first case of

Hep C. I integrated acupuncture into the treatment and needled LI 4, LV3

and GB34 bilaterally. The pattern though was the same: 10 doves over 3 hours,

died during the treatment and her scleral and facial color changed quite

dramatically from pale with a yellowish tinge, to reddish pink. The last dove

took much longer than the others to die. She is going to have liver function

tests done and I will report back to you with results.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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I wish to apologize to the list and Reb Yehuda for Hugo's disrespectful

response.

 

Mark Milotay,

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On 2/12/07, Hugo Ramiro <subincor wrote:

>

> hahaha that's impossible!

>

> Hugo

>

> <%40>> wrote:

>

> Though I had treated multiple patients suffering from Hep A, this was my

> first case of

> Hep C. I integrated acupuncture into the treatment and needled LI 4, LV3

> and GB34 bilaterally. The pattern though was the same: 10 doves over 3

> hours, died during the treatment and her scleral and facial color changed

> quite dramatically from pale with a yellowish tinge, to reddish pink. The

> last dove took much longer than the others to die. She is going to have

> liver function tests done and I will report back to you with results.

>

>

>

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I wish to apologize to the list and R'Yehuda for Hugo's disrespectful

response. As an Orthodox Jew, I have seen the results of segulas, and

I know that we shouldn't be so quick in dismissing things that don't

have an obvious causative relationship.

 

Mark Milotay,

List Owner

 

Chinese Medicine , Hugo Ramiro

<subincor wrote:

>

> hahaha that's impossible!

>

> Hugo

>

> wrote:

>

> Though I had treated multiple patients suffering from Hep A, this

was my first case of

> Hep C. I integrated acupuncture into the treatment and needled

LI 4, LV3 and GB34 bilaterally. The pattern though was the same: 10

doves over 3 hours, died during the treatment and her scleral and

facial color changed quite dramatically from pale with a yellowish

tinge, to reddish pink. The last dove took much longer than the

others to die. She is going to have liver function tests done and I

will report back to you with results.

>

>

 

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Hi all, for anyone who actually got to see my intercepted message and didn't

find it funny, my apologies, I know that email is difficult to read for tone.

Again, apologies,

Hugo

 

wrote:

Dear friends, colleagues and teachers,

 

I wanted to revisit with you a therapy that I written about in the past, and

have used before successfully. This morning a patient with long standing

Hepatitis C (40 years), came into my office for treatment (she suspects that as

a young girl she became infected by a transfusion at age 12. She is now 55).

She has had elevated liver enzymes, and recently has had an exascerbation of

purpura and petechia, which are very painful on her legs. Her Kd Yang pulse was

choppy, but generally her other pulses were slippery, thready and wiry. Her

tongue was short, pale with a thin white coat, and the sides a little more pale.

 

There is a concept in Jewish tradition called " Segula. " Literally translated as

" a treasure " , a segula is a cure which defies logic, which has been handed down

through oral transmission from generation to generation, and which clearly

works! A Jewish scholarly text (Rabenu Bachaye al HaTorah) brings down, for

example, that when the Jews reached Mara, (the place of bitter waters, shortly

after crossing the Red Sea, and before reaching Mount Sinai) Ha-Shem taught and

tested Moses on the healing properties of plants, both their natural medicinal

properties as well as their " segula " properties, which defied logic.

 

A famous Segula which is brought down in the holy book, " Ta'amei Minhagim

U'Mekorei Dinim " , is the cure for Hepatitis. The procedure is brought down as

follows: " One takes a male dove or pigeon for a man with Hepatitis and a female

dove or pigeon for a woman with Hepatitis and places the anus of the dove firmly

upon the umbilicus of the sick person, and the person will recover. "

 

The first time I saw it done was on my wife and myself when we each came down

with Hepatitis A upon returning from Israel in 1982. Immediately upon having the

first dove placed upon my umbilicus, I felt a suction, and the dove started

rhythmically pulsating. Then it died. My complexion immediately changed from

yellow to pink, and I felt stronger. After 7 doves had died, it stopped working.

Yet when we changed doves, it worked again, and we later realized that when it

hadn't worked, we had mistakenly used a female! All told 11 doves died on me and

7 died on my wife. Two months later I was able to drink 4 glasses of wine on

Passover, and my liver had completely recovered. An interesting footnote, is

that doves used in this segula were autopsied at Hadassah hospital in Jerusalem,

and it was determined that the cause of death was asphyxiation (choking) rather

than hepatitis!

 

Though I had treated multiple patients suffering from Hep A, this was my

first case of

Hep C. I integrated acupuncture into the treatment and needled LI 4, LV3

and GB34 bilaterally. The pattern though was the same: 10 doves over 3 hours,

died during the treatment and her scleral and facial color changed quite

dramatically from pale with a yellowish tinge, to reddish pink. The last dove

took much longer than the others to die. She is going to have liver function

tests done and I will report back to you with results.

 

Sincerely,

 

Yehuda

 

 

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Truly, no offence taken! BTW, I forgot to point out one other interesting note:

after the treatment was completed, the Yang pulse was no longer choppy, none of

the pulses were wiry and on both the right and left wrists, the pulses were

slippery and thready.

 

Mark Milotay <mark wrote: I wish to apologize to the

list and Reb Yehuda for Hugo's disrespectful

response.

 

Mark Milotay,

List Owner

 

On 2/12/07, Hugo Ramiro <subincor wrote:

>

> hahaha that's impossible!

>

> Hugo

>

> <%40>> wrote:

>

> Though I had treated multiple patients suffering from Hep A, this was my

> first case of

> Hep C. I integrated acupuncture into the treatment and needled LI 4, LV3

> and GB34 bilaterally. The pattern though was the same: 10 doves over 3

> hours, died during the treatment and her scleral and facial color changed

> quite dramatically from pale with a yellowish tinge, to reddish pink. The

> last dove took much longer than the others to die. She is going to have

> liver function tests done and I will report back to you with results.

>

>

>

>

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Hi all, I came up with a better reply:

 

hahaha man this world is weird!

 

Hugo

 

 

Hugo Ramiro <subincor wrote: hahaha

that's impossible!

 

Hugo

 

wrote:

 

Though I had treated multiple patients suffering from Hep A, this was my first

case of

Hep C. I

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Yehuda

Do you have a ref for the Jerusalem study of doves and hep

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

-

Hugo Ramiro

Chinese Medicine

Monday, February 12, 2007 3:00 PM

Re: Hepatitis C -Traditional Jewish therapy performed

 

 

hahaha that's impossible!

 

Hugo

 

wrote:

 

Though I had treated multiple patients suffering from Hep A, this was my first

case of

Hep C. I integrated acupuncture into the treatment and needled LI 4, LV3 and

GB34 bilaterally. The pattern though was the same: 10 doves over 3 hours, died

during the treatment and her scleral and facial color changed quite dramatically

from pale with a yellowish tinge, to reddish pink. The last dove took much

longer than the others to die. She is going to have liver function tests done

and I will report back to you with results.

 

 

 

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On Monday 12 February 2007 4:48 pm, yehuda frischman wrote:

> we each came

> down with Hepatitis A upon returning from Israel in 1982. Immediately upon

> having the first dove placed upon my umbilicus, I felt a suction, and the

> dove started rhythmically pulsating. Then it died. My complexion

> immediately changed from yellow to pink, and I felt stronger. After 7 doves

> had died, it stopped working. Yet when we changed doves, it worked again,

> and we later realized that when it hadn't worked, we had mistakenly used a

> female! All told 11 doves died on me and 7 died on my wife.

 

Hi Yehuda!

 

Do the doves passively put up with this or do you have to hold them firmly?

--

Regards,

 

Pete

http://www.pete-theisen.com/

[Guest guest]

You know, when I first heard this, it sounded strange too,

then I remembered that the Chinese and other traditions have used bees

stingers,

leaches and get this one, the urine of stink beetles to stop children from

bedwetting

(word of mouth- passed down from a Dine, " Navajo " healer) too.

You put a stink beetle in a spoon with water and wait until it urinates into

the spoon.

 

Between using snakes, scorpions, spiders, wasps, bat and flying squirrel

feces

and the urine of one year old baby boys,

this has been going on since medicine began.?!

 

Question: What is the significance of using the navel (Ren 8) as the point

of entry?

I've heard of putting cold (herbal moxa) and ginger/garlic/salt/fu zi direct

moxa on the navel also.

Do the active chemicals go into the blood stream or the digestive system

faster

or do they bypass the liver etc. ?

 

Thanks.

k.

On 2/12/07, Pete Theisen <petetheisen wrote:

>

> On Monday 12 February 2007 4:48 pm, yehuda frischman wrote:

> > we each came

> > down with Hepatitis A upon returning from Israel in 1982. Immediately

> upon

> > having the first dove placed upon my umbilicus, I felt a suction, and

> the

> > dove started rhythmically pulsating. Then it died. My complexion

> > immediately changed from yellow to pink, and I felt stronger. After 7

> doves

> > had died, it stopped working. Yet when we changed doves, it worked

> again,

> > and we later realized that when it hadn't worked, we had mistakenly used

> a

> > female! All told 11 doves died on me and 7 died on my wife.

>

> Hi Yehuda!

>

> Do the doves passively put up with this or do you have to hold them

> firmly?

> --

> Regards,

>

> Pete

> http://www.pete-theisen.com/

>

>

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Yehuda,

That is, as others have verbalised, just amazing. I am reminded of

reading of the use of snails that were placed on the stomach and then

macerated and fed to the patient for Kidney Qi Xu (ben) and Sp Yang Xu

(biao). We have to remember that to us using " herbs " like earthworm

and scorpion, never mind animal feces to the common ear sounds no less

bizarre (though a step less perhaps?) as the treatment you mentioned.

What i would like to know is, how did you have the doves available? Do

you keep them in the back just in case? I do mean that in jest, this

patient must have visited you on several occasions?

Also, do you suppose this treatment could then be used for any liver

dysfunction, at least theoretically?

Just how interesting (traditional) medicine is...

Regards, Tymothy

[Guest guest]

Alon,

 

It was many (well over 20) years ago. Like I think I mentioned, it was at

Hadassah Hospital, the Ein Kerem campus. You might do a search of their medical

archives.

 

Alon Marcus <alonmarcus wrote:

Yehuda

Do you have a ref for the Jerusalem study of doves and hep

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

-

Hugo Ramiro

Chinese Medicine

Monday, February 12, 2007 3:00 PM

Re: Hepatitis C -Traditional Jewish therapy performed

 

hahaha that's impossible!

 

Hugo

 

wrote:

 

Though I had treated multiple patients suffering from Hep A, this was my first

case of

Hep C. I integrated acupuncture into the treatment and needled LI 4, LV3 and

GB34 bilaterally. The pattern though was the same: 10 doves over 3 hours, died

during the treatment and her scleral and facial color changed quite dramatically

from pale with a yellowish tinge, to reddish pink. The last dove took much

longer than the others to die. She is going to have liver function tests done

and I will report back to you with results.

 

 

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Dear Pete,

 

They are very gentle creatures, but to work, it needs to be held firmly and

there has to be a stable connection, upon which the bird will start moving its

head rhythmically forward, its beak opening as if it's gasping for air. If you

are holding it in the wrong place, no matter how firmly you hold down the dove,

it'll just look around, nothing will happen, and you may come to the mistaken

assumption that it's ineffectual.

 

Pete Theisen <petetheisen wrote:

On Monday 12 February 2007 4:48 pm, yehuda frischman wrote:

> we each came

> down with Hepatitis A upon returning from Israel in 1982. Immediately upon

> having the first dove placed upon my umbilicus, I felt a suction, and the

> dove started rhythmically pulsating. Then it died. My complexion

> immediately changed from yellow to pink, and I felt stronger. After 7 doves

> had died, it stopped working. Yet when we changed doves, it worked again,

> and we later realized that when it hadn't worked, we had mistakenly used a

> female! All told 11 doves died on me and 7 died on my wife.

 

Hi Yehuda!

 

Do the doves passively put up with this or do you have to hold them firmly?

--

Regards,

 

Pete

http://www.pete-theisen.com/

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Question: What is the significance of using the navel (Ren 8) as the point

of entry?

I've heard of putting cold (herbal moxa) and ginger/garlic/ salt/fu zi direct

moxa on the navel also.

Do the active chemicals go into the blood stream or the digestive system

faster

or do they bypass the liver etc. ?

 

Thanks.

k.

 

I can give you three possible answers:

1. It is the Dan Tian,

2. The umbilicus represents the place through which a fetus receives

nourishment. I would suggest that it is indeed a significant energetic, even

life giving point of entry. I have even considered the hypothesis, that rather

than having the birds taking out the poison, instead, they are giving the sick

person their life force.

3. It is a segula, and as I mentioned, originally, the essence of a segula is

beyond human comprehension

 

Yehuda

<johnkokko wrote:

You know, when I first heard this, it sounded strange too,

then I remembered that the Chinese and other traditions have used bees

stingers,

leaches and get this one, the urine of stink beetles to stop children from

bedwetting

(word of mouth- passed down from a Dine, " Navajo " healer) too.

You put a stink beetle in a spoon with water and wait until it urinates into

the spoon.

 

Between using snakes, scorpions, spiders, wasps, bat and flying squirrel

feces

and the urine of one year old baby boys,

this has been going on since medicine began.?!

 

Question: What is the significance of using the navel (Ren 8) as the point

of entry?

I've heard of putting cold (herbal moxa) and ginger/garlic/salt/fu zi direct

moxa on the navel also.

Do the active chemicals go into the blood stream or the digestive system

faster

or do they bypass the liver etc. ?

 

Thanks.

k.

On 2/12/07, Pete Theisen <petetheisen wrote:

>

> On Monday 12 February 2007 4:48 pm, yehuda frischman wrote:

> > we each came

> > down with Hepatitis A upon returning from Israel in 1982. Immediately

> upon

> > having the first dove placed upon my umbilicus, I felt a suction, and

> the

> > dove started rhythmically pulsating. Then it died. My complexion

> > immediately changed from yellow to pink, and I felt stronger. After 7

> doves

> > had died, it stopped working. Yet when we changed doves, it worked

> again,

> > and we later realized that when it hadn't worked, we had mistakenly used

> a

> > female! All told 11 doves died on me and 7 died on my wife.

>

> Hi Yehuda!

>

> Do the doves passively put up with this or do you have to hold them

> firmly?

> --

> Regards,

>

> Pete

> http://www.pete-theisen.com/

>

>

 

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a problem.'

 

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[Guest guest]

On Monday 12 February 2007 9:13 pm, miracles28 wrote:

> how did you have the doves available? Do

> you keep them in the back just in case?

 

Hi Tymothy!

 

http://www.dovepage.com/buy-a-dove/index.html

 

--

Regards,

 

Pete

http://www.pete-theisen.com/

[Guest guest]

I sent my patient to a certain pet store I am familiar with in LA where I know

that they know how to differentiate between male and female birds. I told her

to get 10-12, based upon the seriousness of the case and my experience. This is

the first and only time I have seen her. As to whether it could be used for any

liver disorder, I can't definitively answer that question, but intuitively, I

would say yes. The yiddish and hebrew terms that are used seem to imply that

the key is a yellow tinged skin/sclera presentation.

miracles28 <jellyphish wrote: Yehuda,

That is, as others have verbalised, just amazing. I am reminded of

reading of the use of snails that were placed on the stomach and then

macerated and fed to the patient for Kidney Qi Xu (ben) and Sp Yang Xu

(biao). We have to remember that to us using " herbs " like earthworm

and scorpion, never mind animal feces to the common ear sounds no less

bizarre (though a step less perhaps?) as the treatment you mentioned.

What i would like to know is, how did you have the doves available? Do

you keep them in the back just in case? I do mean that in jest, this

patient must have visited you on several occasions?

Also, do you suppose this treatment could then be used for any liver

dysfunction, at least theoretically?

Just how interesting (traditional) medicine is...

Regards, Tymothy

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Hi Yehuda-

 

Where do you get the doves? Are they wild, or do you get them from pet shops,

or what?

 

 

 

 

wrote:

 

Though I had treated multiple patients suffering from Hep A, this was my first

case of

Hep C. I integrated acupuncture into the treatment and needled LI 4, LV3 and

GB34 bilaterally. The pattern though was the same: 10 doves over 3 hours, died

during the treatment and her scleral and facial color changed quite dramatically

from pale with a yellowish tinge, to reddish pink. The last dove took much

longer than the others to die. She is going to have liver function tests done

and I will report back to you with results.

 

 

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I get them from a local pet store that is able to distinguish their gender.

 

< wrote: Hi Yehuda-

 

Where do you get the doves? Are they wild, or do you get them from pet shops, or

what?

 

 

 

wrote:

 

Though I had treated multiple patients suffering from Hep A, this was my first

case of

Hep C. I integrated acupuncture into the treatment and needled LI 4, LV3 and

GB34 bilaterally. The pattern though was the same: 10 doves over 3 hours, died

during the treatment and her scleral and facial color changed quite dramatically

from pale with a yellowish tinge, to reddish pink. The last dove took much

longer than the others to die. She is going to have liver function tests done

and I will report back to you with results.

 

 

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Yehuda, I'm just wondering if there's any danger of a pigeon defecating into

the navel?

You know, there are at least three toxins that may come from pigeon - feces,

not including salmonella;

especially in immuno-compromised patients.

http://www.nyc.gov/html/doh/html/epi/epi-pigeon.shtml

 

On 2/12/07, wrote:

>

> Dear friends, colleagues and teachers,

>

> I wanted to revisit with you a therapy that I written about in the past,

> and have used before successfully. This morning a patient with long standing

> Hepatitis C (40 years), came into my office for treatment (she suspects that

> as a young girl she became infected by a transfusion at age 12. She is now

> 55). She has had elevated liver enzymes, and recently has had an

> exascerbation of purpura and petechia, which are very painful on her legs.

> Her Kd Yang pulse was choppy, but generally her other pulses were slippery,

> thready and wiry. Her tongue was short, pale with a thin white coat, and the

> sides a little more pale.

>

> There is a concept in Jewish tradition called " Segula. " Literally

> translated as " a treasure " , a segula is a cure which defies logic, which has

> been handed down through oral transmission from generation to generation,

> and which clearly works! A Jewish scholarly text (Rabenu Bachaye al HaTorah)

> brings down, for example, that when the Jews reached Mara, (the place of

> bitter waters, shortly after crossing the Red Sea, and before reaching Mount

> Sinai) Ha-Shem taught and tested Moses on the healing properties of plants,

> both their natural medicinal properties as well as their " segula "

> properties, which defied logic.

>

> A famous Segula which is brought down in the holy book, " Ta'amei Minhagim

> U'Mekorei Dinim " , is the cure for Hepatitis. The procedure is brought down

> as follows: " One takes a male dove or pigeon for a man with Hepatitis and a

> female dove or pigeon for a woman with Hepatitis and places the anus of the

> dove firmly upon the umbilicus of the sick person, and the person will

> recover. "

>

> The first time I saw it done was on my wife and myself when we each came

> down with Hepatitis A upon returning from Israel in 1982. Immediately upon

> having the first dove placed upon my umbilicus, I felt a suction, and the

> dove started rhythmically pulsating. Then it died. My complexion immediately

> changed from yellow to pink, and I felt stronger. After 7 doves had died, it

> stopped working. Yet when we changed doves, it worked again, and we later

> realized that when it hadn't worked, we had mistakenly used a female! All

> told 11 doves died on me and 7 died on my wife. Two months later I was able

> to drink 4 glasses of wine on Passover, and my liver had completely

> recovered. An interesting footnote, is that doves used in this segula were

> autopsied at Hadassah hospital in Jerusalem, and it was determined that the

> cause of death was asphyxiation (choking) rather than hepatitis!

>

> Though I had treated multiple patients suffering from Hep A, this was my

> first case of

> Hep C. I integrated acupuncture into the treatment and needled LI 4, LV3

> and GB34 bilaterally. The pattern though was the same: 10 doves over 3

> hours, died during the treatment and her scleral and facial color changed

> quite dramatically from pale with a yellowish tinge, to reddish pink. The

> last dove took much longer than the others to die. She is going to have

> liver function tests done and I will report back to you with results.

>

> Sincerely,

>

> Yehuda

>

>

>

> http://traditionaljewishmedicine.com/

>

>

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Good question, and definitely happens. I hadn't considered the possible danger

involved and can only relate that though only anecdotal, I have never heard of

nor seen any complications or sequella resulting from the treatment.

Personally, after treatment, I clean the area with alcohol, but perhaps it might

also be an idea (if not contraindicated by the pattern) to moxa Ren 8 at the end

of the treatment

 

<johnkokko wrote: Yehuda, I'm just wondering if

there's any danger of a pigeon defecating into

the navel?

You know, there are at least three toxins that may come from pigeon - feces,

not including salmonella;

especially in immuno-compromised patients.

http://www.nyc.gov/html/doh/html/epi/epi-pigeon.shtml

 

On 2/12/07, wrote:

>

> Dear friends, colleagues and teachers,

>

> I wanted to revisit with you a therapy that I written about in the past,

> and have used before successfully. This morning a patient with long standing

> Hepatitis C (40 years), came into my office for treatment (she suspects that

> as a young girl she became infected by a transfusion at age 12. She is now

> 55). She has had elevated liver enzymes, and recently has had an

> exascerbation of purpura and petechia, which are very painful on her legs.

> Her Kd Yang pulse was choppy, but generally her other pulses were slippery,

> thready and wiry. Her tongue was short, pale with a thin white coat, and the

> sides a little more pale.

>

> There is a concept in Jewish tradition called " Segula. " Literally

> translated as " a treasure " , a segula is a cure which defies logic, which has

> been handed down through oral transmission from generation to generation,

> and which clearly works! A Jewish scholarly text (Rabenu Bachaye al HaTorah)

> brings down, for example, that when the Jews reached Mara, (the place of

> bitter waters, shortly after crossing the Red Sea, and before reaching Mount

> Sinai) Ha-Shem taught and tested Moses on the healing properties of plants,

> both their natural medicinal properties as well as their " segula "

> properties, which defied logic.

>

> A famous Segula which is brought down in the holy book, " Ta'amei Minhagim

> U'Mekorei Dinim " , is the cure for Hepatitis. The procedure is brought down

> as follows: " One takes a male dove or pigeon for a man with Hepatitis and a

> female dove or pigeon for a woman with Hepatitis and places the anus of the

> dove firmly upon the umbilicus of the sick person, and the person will

> recover. "

>

> The first time I saw it done was on my wife and myself when we each came

> down with Hepatitis A upon returning from Israel in 1982. Immediately upon

> having the first dove placed upon my umbilicus, I felt a suction, and the

> dove started rhythmically pulsating. Then it died. My complexion immediately

> changed from yellow to pink, and I felt stronger. After 7 doves had died, it

> stopped working. Yet when we changed doves, it worked again, and we later

> realized that when it hadn't worked, we had mistakenly used a female! All

> told 11 doves died on me and 7 died on my wife. Two months later I was able

> to drink 4 glasses of wine on Passover, and my liver had completely

> recovered. An interesting footnote, is that doves used in this segula were

> autopsied at Hadassah hospital in Jerusalem, and it was determined that the

> cause of death was asphyxiation (choking) rather than hepatitis!

>

> Though I had treated multiple patients suffering from Hep A, this was my

> first case of

> Hep C. I integrated acupuncture into the treatment and needled LI 4, LV3

> and GB34 bilaterally. The pattern though was the same: 10 doves over 3

> hours, died during the treatment and her scleral and facial color changed

> quite dramatically from pale with a yellowish tinge, to reddish pink. The

> last dove took much longer than the others to die. She is going to have

> liver function tests done and I will report back to you with results.

>

> Sincerely,

>

> Yehuda

>

>

>

> http://traditionaljewishmedicine.com/

>

>

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>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Yehuda... Although all three options you present seem to be on the money,

your second option sounds especially compelling to me. When I read your case

history, I was most surprised when you described that the birds died. There is

obviously a very strong exchange of energy happening, and it makes sense too,

since the anus is the output (as we all know we lose our Righteous Qi via

diarrhea and feel shaky and exhausted, and otherwise if the LI has poor tone, we

leak Qi from the anus) and the umbilicus is the input...the birds were dx to

have died from asphyxiation, they gasp for air during the process, and we know

in CM that Lung and Large Intestine are coupled organs...so there are a lot of

ways to make some sense from this.

Thanks again for sharing,

Hugo

 

 

 

 

 

 

I can give you three possible answers:

 

1. It is the Dan Tian,

 

2. The umbilicus represents the place through which a fetus receives

nourishment. I would suggest that it is indeed a significant energetic, even

life giving point of entry. I have even considered the hypothesis, that rather

than having the birds taking out the poison, instead, they are giving the sick

person their life force.

 

3. It is a segula, and as I mentioned, originally, the essence of a segula is

beyond human comprehension

 

 

 

Yehuda