Guest guest Posted February 11, 2007 Report Share Posted February 11, 2007 All: Does anyone have a referral in Indianapolis, Indiana? (not for Peyton Manning) Anne -------------- Original message ---------------------- " " <attiliodalberto > Hi Anne, > > I don't think China has embraced Capitalism, they invented it! It's > just been dormant for the last 50 years. They seem to be very money > driven. I remember once when I was at an A & E department, people were > coming in, either by car or taxi. I remember one woman carrying her > husband in and asking the doctor to look at him. The doctor just > pointed to the end of the hall where you had to register and pay, > then he will look at you. He'll then give you a prescription which > you have to take to the pharmacy to pay and collect and bring back. > Often, these doctors will over prescribe medication. Whether its > because they are cautious, or wish to generate more revenue for the > hospital or whether they work on a commission basis I don't know. > It's normal to see one family member carrying to small bag loaded > with cash. > > Yes, they do give out birth control devices a lot, but obviously not > everyone is using it correctly. The gyne wards were very busy with > women wanting abortions. > > Regards, > > Attilio > www.chinesemedicinetimes.com > > Chinese Medicine , anne.crowley > wrote: > > > > Interesting Attilio: > > > > The Chinese have apparently embraced the capitalist way - that is > the plush hospital conditons for foreigners. > > > > On the abortion issue, don't they give out birth control > regularly.? You would think with a one child policy that this would > be standard. > > > > Anne > > -------------- Original message ---------------------- > > " " <attiliodalberto > > > Yes, i bet they give them a warm welcome! Non Chinese are keep in > > > what's called the Foreign Department in Chinese hospitals. These > > > departments are better looking and better kept than the standard > > > wards for Chinese nationals. The hospital makes a lot of money > from > > > foreign patients and usually the top ranking doctors will run the > > > department. That's the case in lesser grade hospitals like the > one i > > > saw at Xiyuan Hospital in Beijing. > > > > > > There are different grades of hospitals in China and Xiyuan is a > > > lesser grade. If you go to a better one like ZhongRi in Beijing, > > > every patient stays in plush rooms with TVs that are kept so > clean. > > > The standards there would put most hospitals in the UK to shame. > I > > > still remember at lunch time lots of waiters from local > restaurants > > > coming in with food for patients and family > > > > > > I spent some time in the gyne wards at a hospital in Beijing and > was > > > amazed by the amount of abortions going on. Some women in there > mid > > > to late twenties were already on their sixth abortion! The > average if > > > I remember was about 3 for a woman in their late twenties. They > give > > > them out like pain killers. So i'm not so sure about the lack of > stem > > > cells from foetus and them being 8 months old, they got a good > and > > > plentiful supply of them. That's one of the benefits of a one > child > > > policy! > > > > > > Regards > > > > > > Attilio > > > www.chinesemedicinetimes.com > > > > > > > > > > > > Chinese Medicine , " Tom > Verhaeghe " > > > <tom.verhaeghe@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > One of my patients went to Beijing to be treated by Dr Huang > > > Hongyun. He has > > > > ALS, and though we thought that his condition had stabilized > for > > > some months > > > > it has gone downhill since. He is now almost completely > paralyzed, > > > he has > > > > no longer the power to lift his finger to control his electric > > > wheelchair. > > > > > > > > He said the welcome and treatment in Beijing was very nice and > would > > > > recommend it, even if it didn't help for him. My only problem > with > > > the > > > > treatment is that stem cells in China often come from fetuses > that > > > can be up > > > > to 8 months old in some cases. That is an ethical barrier for > me, > > > but of > > > > course I don't have a debilitating disease so who am I to judge? > > > > > > > > http://www.alsa.org/news/article.cfm?id=455 > > > > http://www.stemcellschina.com/ > > > > > > > > Tom. > > > > > > > > ---- > > > > > > > > Mike Liaw > > > > 2/02/2007 17:53:42 > > > > Chinese Medicine > > > > Re: stem cell therapy > > > > > > > > George, > > > > > > > > Do you have their web site? I'd like to see that. > > > > > > > > I have a patient who is also seeking a similar therapy in > China, > > > but it's a > > > > different hospital > > > > > > > > http://www.nrrfr.com/ > > > > > > > > The chief is Dr. Huang, who has done more than 1000 cases by > now, > > > with 2 to > > > > 3 thousand on waiting list. > > > > > > > > One might ask if there is any relevance to CM here? > > > > Well, yes, but it's a stretch...... What's happening is, Dr. > Huang > > > has been > > > > doing this for a few years with reasonably good success, yet, > he > > > has been > > > > criticized by western medical communities for unwilling to > conduct > > > formal > > > > research studies. Dr. Huang's augument is very similar to some > of > > > the CM > > > > community's arguments: 1) It " works. " 2) It's not ethical to > > > conduct a > > > > surgery to baseline the placebo effect. > > > > > > > > Mike L. > > > > > > > > acugeorge <acugeorge@> wrote: > > > > One of my patients (who I treat with TCM) is considering stem > cell > > > > therapy for his son who is paralysed following cervical trauma > (he > > > > dived into a shallow pool when drunk). > > > > The company providing the cells in called Beike in Shenzhen and > the > > > > hospital carrying out the procedure is the 463 hospital in > Shenyang. > > > > He has asked me to do some research. > > > > Does anyone have experience or insight into this? > > > > Many thanks, > > > > George > > > > > > > > > > > > Now that's room service! Choose from over 150,000 hotels > > > > in 45,000 destinations on Travel to find your fit. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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