Anyone know a good TCM dr in Vienna?

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Anyone know a good TCM dr in Vienna?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Hugo Ramiro

Chinese Medicine

Thursday, February 08, 2007 1:56 PM

Re: getting rid of demons

 

 

Hi Z'ev and all,

 

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There is a lot of valuable material in the classical literature

that we should be free to examine. I don't want a pre-digested TCM

to be the only option out there. For myself, the only issue raised

by demonology is whether one feels that evils that effect

consciousness arise from external malevolent forces, or from within

oneself. Even what we call 'demons' can be malevolent influences

from media, brainwashing, toxic people, or family dynamics, as much

as disembodied entities 'floating in the ether'.

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It is (?)

characteristic of CM to lump things together, to build relationships and

dynamic systems rather than to isolate and reduce. Everything I have been taught

orally, experientially, as well as what I have read, identifies " demons " as sets

of influences, not as concrete, limited creatures with wings who breathe fire or

whatever. The latter is a naive idea of demonology; a child's ignorant fear

given limited form.

 

If I am understanding my teacher correctly, " Demonology " relates to certain

living expressions of Qi (influence, force, breath) which are malevolent,

destructive and dangerous. In the end, however, they are finally

self-destructive, and in one of those beautiful and heart-breaking twists of

life, act as liberating, dredging and purging influences that force

self-knowledge and self-responsibility to occur (i.e., my teacher's words, " if

you want the good, take care of the bad " ).

 

We can look at chapter 2 of the Tao Teh Ching for the relationship between

good and evil (Legge):

 

All in the world know the beauty of the beautiful, and in doing this they have

(the idea of) what ugliness is; [...]

So it is that existence and non-existence give birth the one to (the idea of)

the other; that difficulty and ease produce of the one (the idea of) the other;

[...]; that the musical notes and tones become harmonious through the relation

of one with another; [...]

 

Evil can take many forms, from the usury of credit card companies (bwahaha) to

participation in the pecking order - what exactly _is_ it that " gets into us "

when someone higher up gives us a peck and we look for the next weaker person to

pass " it " on to? Evil, like good, is an influence, in a sense nothing more than

us, and in another sense something quite separate and independent. The problem

here may actually be our western/modern obsession with false divisions. Tao Teh

Ching (Legge, chapter 1):

 

Always without desire we must be found, If its deep mystery we would sound;

But if desire always within us be, Its outer fringe is all that we shall see.

 

Dividing so finely, we may not be able to grasp the actuality of these

relationships - " where " evil is, and how it travels.

 

Z'ev continues:

makes it much easier to study these things if we know if they are

original ideas from modern

authors, or traditions from classical

sources.

 

What I have been able to understand is that there is not really an adequate

translation for these ideas into English. However, the ancient Chinese were

_not_ talking mainstream Psychology / Psychiatry, my teacher has been abundantly

clear on this. I look forward to Chris's notes on this matter.

 

I have been getting to something! We talk of demons " being " or " not being "

( " real " ), and yet the Tao Teh Ching is also explicit on this matter (Cleary this

time, chapter 5):

 

Heaven and earth are not humane; they regard all beings as straw dogs.

Sages are not humane; they see all people as straw dogs.

 

Thanks for your time,

Hugo

 

 

 

 

 

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