Guest guest Posted February 6, 2007 Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 Well it may be more socially acceptable to sugar coat the idea that people dont' actually get taken over by demons etc. but actually some people seem to be. Having participated in many healing rituals in different cultures while learning shamanic healing it sure looks like some people do get taken over by something outside themselves that certainly doesn't have their well being in mind. I don't discuss this aspect with every client but it does come up and I do talk about how some cultures see these demons etc. I've seen some pretty scientific oriented people be completely freaked out during shamanic healing rituals when things get a little weird and even more upset when the patient gets healed. They have a hard time finding a place in what they think they know for these experiences. I'm just saying keep an open mind about possession and what it may or may not be. It is a part of early Chinese healing and some forms of acupuncture wheather we chose to believe it or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2007 Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 This discussion is interesting, and I agree that demonology in ancient Chinese medicine is worth a good, long investigation. For me, the only conflict is whether we see demonic forces as external entities or internal products of one's mind. But this discussion is completely speculative, because no one has given the original explanation from a Chinese language source. What character is being used for 'demons'? What classical text is the source for these ideas? If it is an original idea of Jack Worsley, why isn't that stated outright? How can we have any intellectual integrity in this field if we cannot even source our ideas, and simply accept anything that is proposed as a truth? On Feb 6, 2007, at 8:07 AM, crisbearak wrote: > Well it may be more socially acceptable to sugar coat the idea that > people dont' actually get taken over by demons etc. but actually some > people seem to be. Having participated in many healing rituals in > different cultures while learning shamanic healing it sure looks like > some people do get taken over by something outside themselves that > certainly doesn't have their well being in mind. I don't discuss this > aspect with every client but it does come up and I do talk about how > some cultures see these demons etc. I've seen some pretty scientific > oriented people be completely freaked out during shamanic healing > rituals when > things get a little weird and even more upset when the patient gets > healed. > They have a hard time finding a place in what they think they know for > these experiences. I'm just saying keep an open mind about possession > and what it may or may not be. It is a part of early Chinese healing > and some forms of acupuncture wheather we chose to believe it or not. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2007 Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 Like I said, the phenomena and the literature don't support the idea that " demons " (whatever " they " are) are simply psychological constructs. I personally get stuck on the idea of Qi, since it is " something " incontrevertible for us in our personal experience with acupuncture. The people who are relevant to this discussion that I have either treated, or whose company I have been in during their healing, show massive Qi movements which I find difficult to explain based on a physiological or psychological model. That may or may not be due to my ignorance of both. However, the problem remains that modern psychology does _not_ provide a framework for this area of the phenomena. For an interesting western resource, see the very courageous book " People of the Lie " by M. Scott Peck (same guy as " The Road Less Travelled " , and if you're going to get People of the Lie, make sure you read Road first). Hugo crisbearak <crisbearak Well it may be more socially acceptable to sugar coat the idea that people dont' actually get taken over by demons etc. but actually some people seem to be. Having participated in many healing rituals in different cultures while learning shamanic healing it sure looks like some people do get taken over by something outside themselves that certainly doesn't have their well being in mind. I don't discuss this aspect with every client but it does come up and I do talk about how _________ New Mail is the ultimate force in competitive emailing. Find out more at the Mail Championships. Plus: play games and win prizes. http://uk.rd./evt=44106/*http://mail..net/uk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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