Dui Yao: ji xue teng and ye jiao teng

February 5, 2007

Yehuda,

You are right this seems like a likely pair, I have used them many times

together, for some of the reasons you describe. I think I remember seeing

them listed as a dui yao in a Chinese source (somewhere??). If I have time,

I will check a couple books when I get to work, and if anything looks

interesting, I will post it.

-Jason

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Monday, February 05, 2007 2:49 AM

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Dui Yao: ji xue teng and ye jiao teng

Dear friends, colleagues and teachers,

I'd like to get your feedback on the use of these two herbs as pair herbs.

They seem to both supplement liver and heart blood, open the channels and

collaterals, as well as calm the shen. Ji xue teng more strongly moves the

blood and, whereas Ye jiao teng more strongly calms the shen. They seem to

be a natural together, and yet I have never seen them mentioned or

prescribed together, nor to the best of my knowledge are they part of any

formula together. Would this not be a wonderful combination to use as the

foundation, or at least part of a formula to treat blood xu, with concurrent

bi and shen disturbance? Did I miss something?

Yehuda

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February 5, 2007

Dear friends, colleagues and teachers,

I'd like to get your feedback on the use of these two herbs as pair herbs.

They seem to both supplement liver and heart blood, open the channels and

collaterals, as well as calm the shen. Ji xue teng more strongly moves the

blood and, whereas Ye jiao teng more strongly calms the shen. They seem to be a

natural together, and yet I have never seen them mentioned or prescribed

together, nor to the best of my knowledge are they part of any formula together.

Would this not be a wonderful combination to use as the foundation, or at least

part of a formula to treat blood xu, with concurrent bi and shen disturbance?

Did I miss something?

Yehuda

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February 6, 2007

Yehuda,

I have also used this pair extensively and consider it a fine combination for

many of the reasons you stated. It seems all to " perfect " for so many of the

patients I have seen.

Thomas

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February 6, 2007

you may be on to something here, yehuda. why don't you set up a preliminary

trial of sorts with your patients, and give us feedback on the clinical

results you see with your patients.

kb

On 2/5/07, wrote:

>

> Dear friends, colleagues and teachers,

>

> I'd like to get your feedback on the use of these two herbs as pair herbs.

> They seem to both supplement liver and heart blood, open the channels and

> collaterals, as well as calm the shen. Ji xue teng more strongly moves the

> blood and, whereas Ye jiao teng more strongly calms the shen. They seem to

> be a natural together, and yet I have never seen them mentioned or

> prescribed together, nor to the best of my knowledge are they part of any

> formula together. Would this not be a wonderful combination to use as the

> foundation, or at least part of a formula to treat blood xu, with concurrent

> bi and shen disturbance? Did I miss something?

>

> Yehuda

>

> http://traditionaljewishmedicine.com/

>

> Need a quick answer? Get one in minutes from people who know. Ask your

> question on Answers.

>

February 6, 2007

Yehuda,

To give you an update, I did NOT find a specific entry in the dui yao books

that I own. But there are of course many formulas that use these two herbs

together.

Anyway a formula that contains both herbs is: Yang xue an shen tang jiang

(Nourish the blood and the calm the spirit syrup).

Medicinals: xian he cao, ye jiao teng, han lian cao, sheng di, shu di, he

huan pi, ji xue teng.

Functions and indications: Enrich the yin, nourish the blood, quite the

heart, calm the spirit. It is used in cases of yin deficiency and scanty

blood leading to dizziness, palpitations, insomnia, forgetfulness.

Cautions: Spleen qi deficiency and sloppy soft stools.

Source is zhonghuayidian (ÖÐ»ªÒ½µä)

An entry from ye jiao teng: says that it is commonly used in combination

with dang dui, di haung, ji xue teng, and luo shi teng to treat blood

deficiency whole body soreness and pain.

(I have used is very often for this).

Another source states that ye jiao teng is used in the treatment of blood

deficiency body pain and wind damp painful obstruction. It nourishes the

blood and eliminates wind, frees the channels and network vessels. It is

commonly used with ji xue teng, dang gui, and sang ji sheng (for this).

Hope that helps.

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