Guest guest Posted February 5, 2007 Report Share Posted February 5, 2007 Hi All, I would appreciate feedback (on or off-list) on the professional details of both herbs, under the following headings: _Herb Details Wujiapi Ciwujia _Class Action _Medicinal Latin Name _Common name _Temp _Taste _Channels Entered _Dose _Actions _Clinical Uses _Combinations _CI/Cautions Differing data on WWW about the two herbs - Ciwujia and Wujiapi - confuse me. Different sources use BOTH of those Pinyin names for " Siberian Ginseng " . A Chinese Government website says: Wujiapi = Acanthopanax gracilistylus, Dried Cx-Rx = Cx Acanthopanacis = Slenderstyle Acanthopanax Cx [Araliaceae] Ciwujia = Acanthopanax senticosus, Dried Rx+Rz / stem = Rx / Caulis Acanthopanacis Senticosi = Manyprickle Acanthopanax [Araliaceae] Which one of those IS " Siberian Ginseng " ? Which one IS Eleuthero? Chinese Herbal Medicine - Materia Medica [Eastland Press] Changes and Errata Corrected in 2nd Printing says: " Acanthopanax gracilistylus ... was recently rechristened Eleutherococcus nodiflorus. This is another reason to match the pinyin and pharmaceutical names for identification purposes.¡± .... Some examples of this change are: Eleutherococci nodiflori Cx [was Acanthopanacis Cx]; Eleutherococci senticosi Rx+Caulis [was Acanthopanacis senticosi Rx+Caulis Eleutherococcus giraldii Cx [was Acanthopanacis giraldii Cx] Best regards, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2007 Report Share Posted February 5, 2007 > Which one of those IS " Siberian Ginseng " ? Which one IS Eleuthero? Ciwujia is Siberian ginseng, aka Eleuthero. But they are both in the same family (Acanthopanax/Eleuthero). Eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2007 Report Share Posted February 5, 2007 Ci Wu Jia, known as: Eleutherococcus senticosus, Acanthopanax senticosus Siberian Ginseng (NOT a ginseng) Wu Jia Seng (no reason to be appending the word " seng/sen/root " to this plant name) Energetics: Warm, Bitter Lung, Spleen and Kidney Wu Jia Pi, known as: Cortex Acanthopanacis Southern Wu Jia Pi (there is a different plant known as Northern Wu Jia Pi (Gang Liu Pi)) Energetics: Warm, Spicy, Bitter Kidney, Liver _________ The all-new Mail goes wherever you go - free your email address from your Internet provider. http://uk.docs./nowyoucan.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2007 Report Share Posted February 6, 2007 Phil, I have a wonderful scholarly article from Smart Drug News, the newsletter of cognitive enhancement, health and longevity (ISSN 1060-8427), from volume 5 #10, dated July 4, 1997, by Gavin Lee (at the time PhD cand.), entitled, " Eleuterococcus Senticosus " (ES). Here's a taste of the article, " References and claimed usages of ES in Traditional (TCM) are very confusing. At different times and in different places, the plant substances " Wujia and/or Wujiapi were actually prepared from any of 13 of the 265 Acanthopanax species indigenous to China [Halstead and Hood, 1984]. ES is just one of those species. The Shen Nong BE Cao Jing promotes Wujiapi as useful for increasing energy and curing rheumatism. In compiling the Ben Cao Gang Mu, Li Shi-Shen changed the category of Wujiapi from General to Superior, calling it a tonic rather than a medicinal herb to b e used to treat specific illnesses. He 'would rather take a handful of Wujia than a cartful of gold and jewels.... " To avoid further confusion ES is now officially named Ciwujia, while Wujiapi is reserved for Acanthopanax(a synonum for Eleutherococcus) gracilistylus, a very toxic plant which can only be used in small doses for short periods [Halstead an Hood, 1984]. " Incidentally, Chen and Chen identify Wu Jia Shen as synonymus with Ci Wu Jia. Here's his breakdown of the two herbs: Wujiapi (WJP):literal name- Ciwujia:(CWJ) literal name- " prickly acanthopanax " _Class Action: WJP: Wind damp dispelling and tendon/bone strengthening herbs CWJ:Qi tonifying herbs _Medicinal Latin:WJP: Cortex Acanthopanacis CWJ: Radix et caulis Acanthopanacis senticosi _Common name: WJP:acanthopanax root bark CWJ: acanthopanax root, eleuthero _Temp: WJP: Warm CWJ: Warm _Taste: WJP:acrid and bitter CWJ:acrid, slightly bitter _Channels Entered: WJP: KIdney, Liver CWJ: SPleen, Kidney, Heart _Dose: WJP: 5-10g CWJ: 9-27g in decoction _Actions WJP: Dispels wind and damp, strengthens bone and tendons, dispels water retention CWJ: Tonifies qi, strengthens Spleen and Kidney, Calms the Shen. _Clinical Uses WJP:Leukopenia, cerebral thrombosis, hypotension CWJ:coronary artery disease with hyperchoesterolemia, Neurasthenia, Bone marrow suppression. _Combinations: WJP:for wind damp cold, combine with Mu Gua and Chuan niu xi, for traumatic injury with bruises and broken bones combine with Zi Ran TOng, Di BIe Chong, and Ru xiang, for delayed motor development in children, combine with Mu Gua, Chuan niu xi, sang ji sheng and xu duan, for edema combine with Fu LIng pi, Da fu pi, and Sheng jiang pi. CWJ: for fatigue and poor appetite: combine with Si jun zi tang; for Low back and knee pain from Kd yang deficiency combine with Du Zhong, Sang ji sheng, for disturbed sleep from deficiency combine with Long yan rou, suan zao ren and bai zi ren. _CI/Cautions: WJP: associated with drowsiness and sedation CWJ: none noted Hope that helps, Yehuda < wrote: Hi All, I would appreciate feedback (on or off-list) on the professional details of both herbs, under the following headings: _Herb Details Wujiapi Ciwujia _Class Action _Medicinal Latin Name _Common name _Temp _Taste _Channels Entered _Dose _Actions _Clinical Uses _Combinations _CI/Cautions Differing data on WWW about the two herbs - Ciwujia and Wujiapi - confuse me. Different sources use BOTH of those Pinyin names for " Siberian Ginseng " . A Chinese Government website says: Wujiapi = Acanthopanax gracilistylus, Dried Cx-Rx = Cx Acanthopanacis = Slenderstyle Acanthopanax Cx [Araliaceae] Ciwujia = Acanthopanax senticosus, Dried Rx+Rz / stem = Rx / Caulis Acanthopanacis Senticosi = Manyprickle Acanthopanax [Araliaceae] Which one of those IS " Siberian Ginseng " ? Which one IS Eleuthero? Chinese Herbal Medicine - Materia Medica [Eastland Press] Changes and Errata Corrected in 2nd Printing says: " Acanthopanax gracilistylus ... was recently rechristened Eleutherococcus nodiflorus. This is another reason to match the pinyin and pharmaceutical names for identification purposes.¡± .... Some examples of this change are: Eleutherococci nodiflori Cx [was Acanthopanacis Cx]; Eleutherococci senticosi Rx+Caulis [was Acanthopanacis senticosi Rx+Caulis Eleutherococcus giraldii Cx [was Acanthopanacis giraldii Cx] Best regards, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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