Guest guest Posted January 30, 2007 Report Share Posted January 30, 2007 Hi all, I've had a rash of rash patients lately, ha ha. ha ha. If anything strikes you off the top of your head, please let me know. Very briefly: Male, 55, several years ago began to experience rash mainly along TW and LI channels, began to spread chest, then bladder channel, rash is very itchy, raised, light red, does not weep, he does not break the skin by scratching. His skin is very oily, oiliest skin I've to encounter yet, still trying to fully remove a stain from the plastic surface of my treatment table. One of the " contact allergies " he has is with chrysanthemum. I'm of the mind that it is relieving the surface rather than acting as an allergen, but anyway. He is outwardly calm, but quite wound up inside. Tongue, pale, thick greasy white coating, some scalloping, a little redness at tip. He is slowly improving over the past month, sleeping better, feels calmer, energy is up, uses less cortisone, but he still flares up regularly. Any ideas? Thanks, Hugo _________ New Mail is the ultimate force in competitive emailing. Find out more at the Mail Championships. Plus: play games and win prizes. http://uk.rd./evt=44106/*http://mail..net/uk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2007 Report Share Posted January 30, 2007 Hi Hugo, I used to have rash for more than 18 years, occasionally must be hospitalized, but my case was different. However, it was cured more than 12 years, no recurred. First , look at your case , Rashes along the Sanjiao channel, LI channel, bladder channel and chest. It was raised, light red, very itchy, oily skin, allergic to chrysanthemum. He seems calm but quite agitated. *** The rashes appear on Yang chanels and Yang area. Is it worse in the Yang aspects ( hot weather, hot spicy foods, heater, during the day, in bright area, in windy conditions, stress, or reacted after some medications )? If it does, then this shows up some of the excess condition of the channels, but what causes? If it is not known, then ask for when and how it is getting better ( at night, after meals, during sleep… ), in order to find the solution. *** The raise ( excess ),very itching ( excess, severe windy, or poison " toxin " or fire ), slight red ( little heat ), very oily skin ( excess damp , usually slippery pulse, not wiry. Wiry is for stress conditions or phlegm ), allergic to chrysanthemum ( skin contact or inhaling = Lung problem refers to TCM ). *** Calm ( energy level is sufficient and the mind is clear ), very agitate " very sensitive Liver " ( Liver prob, not known as def / excess at this time , but it may cause poison, toxin, or very windy which is the cause of itching. Remember VERY & #61664; VERY here ). If the conditions of work is so demanding and so stressful, this is an excess condition. If it is autogenesis, self inducing stress, in a normal environment then it is a deficiency. If it is not known, *** the pusles : may be slippery rapid , or wiry rapid. Anyhow, it must be given to con firm this is an excess / deficiency……….. If slippery rapid ( dampheat, usu. Itchy…. Urine dark yellow ( to confirm )? Big, full ( excess ); small , fine, thready ( deficiency )………. Fast ( heat ), slow ( cold ), medium ( OK ) If the pulses is rapid, is there heat symptoms ( to confirm ) or may be this is congenital, not related? Pulse is deep ( internal, organs, lowerjiao, chronic ), float ( superficial, skin, upperjiao, acute ), middle ( muscle and tendon, blood & Qi, middlejiao.. ). This gives up an idea where to start and give treatments……….. PULSES is important, but no data. I guess we have to make a guess!!! ***The tongue revealed : pale thick greasy white coat ( excess cold ) unless it is dry ( excess heat, but there was no information given ), scalloping ( sp / sto deficiency or disorder ), little red tip ( light heat in the upperjiao or in the heart ). Pale ( no heat nor cold ), thick greasy ( excess phlegm, wet = damp ), white coat ( not turning into heat yet, or not involved with organs ), scalloping ( digestive prob, SP / ST or Liv , def??? , oh,no ), Little red tip ( little heat in the heart / upperjiao ) depend on severity ), heat in the heart, trouble sleeping ??? ( no data ), heat in upperjao ( discomfort, difficult breathing? No data ). This case is not easy because there is not sufficient data for me, but I can suggest some ideas : If patient does not show any signs of lethary, fatigue, lazinees, slow or unco-operative , then it may be an excess. But what kind ? damp heat, toxin, or windy ( Liver wind = full wiry +/- rapid pulse ). 1) Because the problem exists in SJ, LI, UB ( yang chnls ), use Yang channels as key points, Sedation is a must ……….. LI4 , LI 11, SJ4, B40 ( sedate ), but Du14 is imperial ( for all heat ). SP6, Sp10, K3……………SP6 ( regulate Qi, blood and resolve damp ), K3 ( to tonify yin, reducing internal heat or dryness ). For me, I only use 2 points ( Du14 and K3 )………………. Result should be instant with proper manipulation, observe and see…………. Herbal : Ba Zheng Wan ( will help if our techniques won't work ) 2) Liver excess ( full wiry pulse ) : Du 14 ( reduce heat ), Liv3 ( liver heat ) , K3 ( tonify yin ) …. Herbal : Long Dan Xie Gan Wan … 3) Qi and Blood disorders : Du 14 ( reduce heat ), Sp 6 ( tonify blood and Qi ), Sp 10 ( regulate blood and Qi )……………… Herbal : Ba Zhen wan or Shi Quan Dai Bu Hopefully the treatments will cure all the rashes above, not just controlling them. I have treated some other severe cases successfully. GOOD LUCK !!! Nam Nguyen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2007 Report Share Posted January 31, 2007 Hi Hugo, First, make sure that the patient sees a dermatologist to determine what kind of rash it is, and to protect yourself from what could be contagious. A couple of questions: Is the rash worse when it's exposed to cold or wind? How are his pulses? Is the rash warm to the touch? It sounds from your description that there is wind dampness with spleen vacuity (engendering dampness). Oily perspiration usually means pretty severe Yang vacuity as well. Yehuda Hugo Ramiro <subincor wrote: Hi all, I've had a rash of rash patients lately, ha ha. ha ha. If anything strikes you off the top of your head, please let me know. Very briefly: Male, 55, several years ago began to experience rash mainly along TW and LI channels, began to spread chest, then bladder channel, rash is very itchy, raised, light red, does not weep, he does not break the skin by scratching. His skin is very oily, oiliest skin I've to encounter yet, still trying to fully remove a stain from the plastic surface of my treatment table. One of the " contact allergies " he has is with chrysanthemum. I'm of the mind that it is relieving the surface rather than acting as an allergen, but anyway. He is outwardly calm, but quite wound up inside. Tongue, pale, thick greasy white coating, some scalloping, a little redness at tip. He is slowly improving over the past month, sleeping better, feels calmer, energy is up, uses less cortisone, but he still flares up regularly. Any ideas? Thanks, Hugo ________ New Mail is the ultimate force in competitive emailing. Find out more at the Mail Championships. Plus: play games and win prizes. http://uk.rd./evt=44106/*http://mail..net/uk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2007 Report Share Posted January 31, 2007 Has anyone considered that maybe the liver is stuck and that the accumulation of toxins might be coming out with the aid of the surface releasing herb, chrysanthemum. A rash that does not itch would not necessarily be wind but maybe more to do with the liver and its blood. Have you palpated his abdomen and if so has pressure around Kid 9 or LI 15 been helpful? These are good points for a build up of toxins. The kidney might also open up the liver (water nourish wood). Heh, just a thought. One last idea, have the fire points been palpated for tenderness? Mike W. Bowser, L Ac ________________________________ > Chinese Medicine > > Wed, 31 Jan 2007 01:47:18 -0800 > Re: Rashes > > Hi Hugo, > First, make sure that the patient sees a dermatologist to determine what kind of rash it is, and to protect yourself from what could be contagious. A couple of questions: Is the rash worse when it's exposed to cold or wind? How are his pulses? Is the rash warm to the touch? It sounds from your description that there is wind dampness with spleen vacuity (engendering dampness). Oily perspiration usually means pretty severe Yang vacuity as well. > Yehuda > Hugo Ramiro <subincor wrote: > Hi all, I've had a rash of rash patients lately, ha ha. ha ha. > If anything strikes you off the top of your head, please let me know. > Very briefly: > Male, 55, several years ago began to experience rash mainly along TW and LI channels, began to spread chest, then bladder channel, rash is very itchy, raised, light red, does not weep, he does not break the skin by scratching. His skin is very oily, oiliest skin I've to encounter yet, still trying to fully remove a stain from the plastic surface of my treatment table. One of the " contact allergies " he has is with chrysanthemum. I'm of the mind that it is relieving the surface rather than acting as an allergen, but anyway. He is outwardly calm, but quite wound up inside. Tongue, pale, thick greasy white coating, some scalloping, a little redness at tip. > He is slowly improving over the past month, sleeping better, feels calmer, energy is up, uses less cortisone, but he still flares up regularly. > Any ideas? > Thanks, > Hugo > ________ > New Mail is the ultimate force in competitive emailing. Find out more at the Mail Championships. Plus: play games and win prizes. > http://uk.rd./evt=44106/*http://mail..net/uk > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 2, 2007 Report Share Posted February 2, 2007 Hi Dr. Nguyen and all, here's a better outline of this case: Male, about 55 Rash appears on yang channels. It is worse in the heat and when he overheats either from exertion, wearing too many clothes or emotional stress. It is better when he feels relaxed, better in the mornings, worse in the evenings, and used to wake him at night - these only twice a week does this happen. It would wake him 2, 3, 4am, around those times. I never could get a straight answer. The rash is raised, although it doesn't raise like a fully excessive rash. It is raised with undefined edges, and redness speckled on top, sign of the turbid damp. He is calm with a quiet voice, but his build is stocky, his face is pale w/o much redness at all but his eyelids are slightly pink rimmed, and he shows signs of yin-deficiency heat on his skin otherwise (caucasian with the flushed look). He does get agitated regularly, but doesn't express it fully, and I have never seen him as anything but calm and quiet. As far as I am concerned, his agitation is due mainly to himself, I haven't gotten the impression that he is in a difficult position at work. His mind is somewhat clear, he seems to understand what I say without too many questions, but his answers are usually vague and lacking. Left hand pulses Top slippery, soft, middle depth Middle slippery, no root, middle depth Bottom absent or thin (deep) Right hand pulses Top superficial, slippery, flooding, soft Middle same as top pulse with some tightness Bottom superficial/middle, no root, some tightness Pulse rate is 8 beats per full breath cycle (in and out). Right hand pulses are much stronger than left, obviously, and have an excessive feeling to them, esp after treatment. No doubt this is why he feels the acupuncture causes one day of aggravation of symptoms with improvement following afterwards. An interesting thing about his tongue which I noticed today: There is no longer red at the tip of the tongue. His thick greasy white coating has been dissolving slowly, to where it is now medium thickness, less greasy and much more glossy with very pronounced scalloping. As the scalloping has increased, some colours are showing from under the stagnant fluid in the tongue, on the px's left side on the border between the middle and top third of the tongue: a small area consisting of two small dark red spots (individual papillae), a more vaguely defined very light purple area, and a smaller raw area that looked very slightly red with fine cracks. All this is clearly showing from under the outer swollen surface of the tongue. Urine is golden, no cloudiness, never burns. Sleeps at 10 pm, falls asleep quick, wakes to urinate once per night No shortness of breath, restriction of chest or fullness in the chest. His itching is best in the morning, will generally not experience any disomfort until his shower which sets him off a little. Overall, there does not seem to be a big difference in how he experiences his rashes, but then again, he is a little avgue ont he topic. What is clear is that he is sleeping better, despite having stopped the cortisone. What is also clear is that the flare-ups, which are daily and in the evening (throughout the evening, no evident, regular peaks), are about as bad as they used to be, at least from his reports. He also seems to be able to " cool " himself down more easily when getting agitated these days. My treatments at this point are foccussed on resolving phlegm and releasing qi, regulating qi. Typical points are Du 14, K 3, Sp 10 and so on. I do not drain ( " xie " ) too much at all from yang channels because his pulses are so weak and he presents with such fatigue, I don't trust my technique at this point to not also drain his righteous qi. 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Guest guest Posted February 3, 2007 Report Share Posted February 3, 2007 hugo: require more info about the legions: raised as in wheals or papuels? i'm guessing wheals. well circumscribed legions? red rash, oily skin, damp T/slip P, + intense itching, esp when exp. to heat, agg. by chrysanthemum: dermatitis due to d/h. my derm books are at my clinic (i email from the home office) so i can't look up a px for you right now. add ku shen for itching due to d/h, sheng di, xuan shen 15g to cb, huang qin 10-12. you'll need a px specific for dermatitis. derm in TCM (big yellow book) is a must have for the clinic to handle derm cases that come in. includes acu and herbs. quite comprehensive, thorough and reliable tx advice. hope this helps, kb /h On 2/1/07, Hugo Ramiro <subincor wrote: > > Hi Dr. Nguyen and all, here's a better outline of this case: > > Male, about 55 > Rash appears on yang channels. It is worse in the heat and when he > overheats either from exertion, wearing too many clothes or emotional > stress. > > It is better when he feels relaxed, better in the mornings, worse in the > evenings, and used to wake him at night - these only twice a week does this > happen. It would wake him 2, 3, 4am, around those times. I never could get a > straight answer. > > The rash is raised, although it doesn't raise like a fully excessive rash. > It is raised with undefined edges, and redness speckled on top, sign of the > turbid damp. > > He is calm with a quiet voice, but his build is stocky, his face is pale > w/o much redness at all but his eyelids are slightly pink rimmed, and he > shows signs of yin-deficiency heat on his skin otherwise (caucasian with the > flushed look). He does get agitated regularly, but doesn't express it fully, > and I have never seen him as anything but calm and quiet. As far as I am > concerned, his agitation is due mainly to himself, I haven't gotten the > impression that he is in a difficult position at work. > > His mind is somewhat clear, he seems to understand what I say without too > many questions, but his answers are usually vague and lacking. > > Left hand pulses > Top slippery, soft, middle depth > Middle slippery, no root, middle depth > Bottom absent or thin (deep) > > Right hand pulses > Top superficial, slippery, flooding, soft > Middle same as top pulse with some tightness > Bottom superficial/middle, no root, some tightness > > Pulse rate is 8 beats per full breath cycle (in and out). > > Right hand pulses are much stronger than left, obviously, and have an > excessive feeling to them, esp after treatment. No doubt this is why he > feels the acupuncture causes one day of aggravation of symptoms with > improvement following afterwards. > > An interesting thing about his tongue which I noticed today: > There is no longer red at the tip of the tongue. His thick greasy white > coating has been dissolving slowly, to where it is now medium thickness, > less greasy and much more glossy with very pronounced scalloping. As the > scalloping has increased, some colours are showing from under the stagnant > fluid in the tongue, on the px's left side on the border between the middle > and top third of the tongue: a small area consisting of two small dark red > spots (individual papillae), a more vaguely defined very light purple area, > and a smaller raw area that looked very slightly red with fine cracks. All > this is clearly showing from under the outer swollen surface of the tongue. > > Urine is golden, no cloudiness, never burns. > Sleeps at 10 pm, falls asleep quick, wakes to urinate once per night > No shortness of breath, restriction of chest or fullness in the chest. > > His itching is best in the morning, will generally not experience any > disomfort until his shower which sets him off a little. > > Overall, there does not seem to be a big difference in how he experiences > his rashes, but then again, he is a little avgue ont he topic. What is clear > is that he is sleeping better, despite having stopped the cortisone. What is > also clear is that the flare-ups, which are daily and in the evening > (throughout the evening, no evident, regular peaks), are about as bad as > they used to be, at least from his reports. He also seems to be able to > " cool " himself down more easily when getting agitated these days. > My treatments at this point are foccussed on resolving phlegm and > releasing qi, regulating qi. Typical points are Du 14, K 3, Sp 10 and so on. > I do not drain ( " xie " ) too much at all from yang channels because his > pulses are so weak and he presents with such fatigue, I don't trust my > technique at this point to not also drain his righteous qi. > > So anyway, I hope that was more informative, > > Yeah, I'll probably need the good luck > > <!-- > > #ygrp-mlmsg {font-size:13px;font-family:arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif;} > #ygrp-mlmsg table {font-size:inherit;font:100%;} > #ygrp-mlmsg select, input, textarea {font:99% > arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif;} > #ygrp-mlmsg pre, code {font:115% monospace;} > #ygrp-mlmsg * {line-height:1.22em;} > #ygrp-text{ > font-family:Georgia; > } > #ygrp-text p{ > margin:0 0 1em 0; > } > #ygrp-tpmsgs{ > font-family:Arial; > clear:both; > } > #ygrp-vitnav{ > padding-top:10px; > font-family:Verdana; > font-size:77%; > margin:0; > } > #ygrp-vitnav a{ > padding:0 1px; > } > #ygrp-actbar{ > clear:both; > margin:25px 0; > white-space:nowrap; > color:#666; > text-align:right; > } > #ygrp-actbar .left{ > float:left; > white-space:nowrap; > } > .bld{font-weight:bold;} > #ygrp-grft{ > font-family:Verdana; > font-size:77%; > padding:15px 0; > } > #ygrp-ft{ > font-family:verdana; > font-size:77%; > border-top:1px solid #666; > padding:5px 0; > } > #ygrp-mlmsg #logo{ > padding-bottom:10px; > } > > #ygrp-vital{ > background-color:#e0ecee; > margin-bottom:20px; > padding:2px 0 8px 8px; > } > #ygrp-vital #vithd{ > font-size:77%; > font-family:Verdana; > font-weight:bold; > color:#333; > text-transform:uppercase; > } > #ygrp-vital ul{ > padding:0; > margin:2px 0; > } > #ygrp-vital ul li{ > list-style-type:none; > clear:both; > border:1px solid #e0ecee; > } > #ygrp-vital ul li .ct{ > font-weight:bold; > color:#ff7900; > float:right; > width:2em; > text-align:right; > padding-right:.5em; > } > #ygrp-vital ul li .cat{ > font-weight:bold; > } > #ygrp-vital a { > text-decoration:none; > } > > #ygrp-vital a:hover{ > text-decoration:underline; > } > > #ygrp-sponsor #hd{ > color:#999; > font-size:77%; > } > #ygrp-sponsor #ov{ > padding:6px 13px; > background-color:#e0ecee; > margin-bottom:20px; > } > #ygrp-sponsor #ov ul{ > padding:0 0 0 8px; > margin:0; > } > #ygrp-sponsor #ov li{ > list-style-type:square; > padding:6px 0; > font-size:77%; > } > #ygrp-sponsor #ov li a{ > text-decoration:none; > font-size:130%; > } > #ygrp-sponsor #nc { > background-color:#eee; > margin-bottom:20px; > padding:0 8px; > } > #ygrp-sponsor .ad{ > padding:8px 0; > } > #ygrp-sponsor .ad #hd1{ > font-family:Arial; > font-weight:bold; > color:#628c2a; > font-size:100%; > line-height:122%; > } > #ygrp-sponsor .ad a{ > text-decoration:none; > } > #ygrp-sponsor .ad a:hover{ > text-decoration:underline; > } > #ygrp-sponsor .ad p{ > margin:0; > } > o {font-size:0;} > .MsoNormal { > margin:0 0 0 0; > } > #ygrp-text tt{ > font-size:120%; > } > blockquote{margin:0 0 0 4px;} > .replbq {margin:4;} > --> > > GOOD LUCK!!! > > > > > ________ > New Mail is the ultimate force in competitive emailing. 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Guest guest Posted February 3, 2007 Report Share Posted February 3, 2007 hugo: i also want to add that since it flares with emo upset, you need to treat the heat irrit the shen. the emo issue is liver/ht yin xu related: rash worse evenings/ nite, tightly wound, cools himself down when agitated, malar flush. its likely that d/h has injured yin. diff to put the entire hist together from the info you provide. in addition, you'll need to tx the shen/ cool yin xu heat. dan shen 15g, yuan zhi 6g, shi chang pu 6-9p (the latter 2 because of the ph/d presentation of the rash) come to mind as possibilities. as said, you need a guiding px for dermatitis, my derm books are at the clinic. good luck, kb On 2/2/07, wrote: > > hugo: > > require more info about the legions: raised as in wheals or papuels? i'm > guessing wheals. well circumscribed legions? red rash, oily skin, damp > T/slip P, + intense itching, esp when exp. to heat, agg. by chrysanthemum: > dermatitis due to d/h. my derm books are at my clinic (i email from the > home office) so i can't look up a px for you right now. add ku shen for > itching due to d/h, sheng di, xuan shen 15g to cb, huang qin 10-12. you'll > need a px specific for dermatitis. derm in TCM (big yellow book) is a must > have for the clinic to handle derm cases that come in. includes acu and > herbs. quite comprehensive, thorough and reliable tx advice. > > hope this helps, > > kb > /h > > On 2/1/07, Hugo Ramiro <subincor wrote: > > > > Hi Dr. Nguyen and all, here's a better outline of this case: > > > > Male, about 55 > > Rash appears on yang channels. It is worse in the heat and when he > > overheats either from exertion, wearing too many clothes or emotional > > stress. > > > > It is better when he feels relaxed, better in the mornings, worse in the > > evenings, and used to wake him at night - these only twice a week does this > > happen. It would wake him 2, 3, 4am, around those times. I never could get a > > straight answer. > > > > The rash is raised, although it doesn't raise like a fully excessive > > rash. It is raised with undefined edges, and redness speckled on top, sign > > of the turbid damp. > > > > He is calm with a quiet voice, but his build is stocky, his face is pale > > w/o much redness at all but his eyelids are slightly pink rimmed, and he > > shows signs of yin-deficiency heat on his skin otherwise (caucasian with the > > flushed look). He does get agitated regularly, but doesn't express it fully, > > and I have never seen him as anything but calm and quiet. As far as I am > > concerned, his agitation is due mainly to himself, I haven't gotten the > > impression that he is in a difficult position at work. > > > > His mind is somewhat clear, he seems to understand what I say without > > too many questions, but his answers are usually vague and lacking. > > > > Left hand pulses > > Top slippery, soft, middle depth > > Middle slippery, no root, middle depth > > Bottom absent or thin (deep) > > > > Right hand pulses > > Top superficial, slippery, flooding, soft > > Middle same as top pulse with some tightness > > Bottom superficial/middle, no root, some tightness > > > > Pulse rate is 8 beats per full breath cycle (in and out). > > > > Right hand pulses are much stronger than left, obviously, and have an > > excessive feeling to them, esp after treatment. No doubt this is why he > > feels the acupuncture causes one day of aggravation of symptoms with > > improvement following afterwards. > > > > An interesting thing about his tongue which I noticed today: > > There is no longer red at the tip of the tongue. His thick greasy white > > coating has been dissolving slowly, to where it is now medium thickness, > > less greasy and much more glossy with very pronounced scalloping. As the > > scalloping has increased, some colours are showing from under the stagnant > > fluid in the tongue, on the px's left side on the border between the middle > > and top third of the tongue: a small area consisting of two small dark red > > spots (individual papillae), a more vaguely defined very light purple area, > > and a smaller raw area that looked very slightly red with fine cracks. All > > this is clearly showing from under the outer swollen surface of the tongue. > > > > Urine is golden, no cloudiness, never burns. > > Sleeps at 10 pm, falls asleep quick, wakes to urinate once per night > > No shortness of breath, restriction of chest or fullness in the chest. > > > > His itching is best in the morning, will generally not experience any > > disomfort until his shower which sets him off a little. > > > > Overall, there does not seem to be a big difference in how he > > experiences his rashes, but then again, he is a little avgue ont he topic. > > What is clear is that he is sleeping better, despite having stopped the > > cortisone. What is also clear is that the flare-ups, which are daily and in > > the evening (throughout the evening, no evident, regular peaks), are about > > as bad as they used to be, at least from his reports. He also seems to be > > able to " cool " himself down more easily when getting agitated these days. > > My treatments at this point are foccussed on resolving phlegm and > > releasing qi, regulating qi. Typical points are Du 14, K 3, Sp 10 and so on. > > I do not drain ( " xie " ) too much at all from yang channels because his > > pulses are so weak and he presents with such fatigue, I don't trust my > > technique at this point to not also drain his righteous qi. > > > > So anyway, I hope that was more informative, > > > > Yeah, I'll probably need the good luck > > > > <!-- > > > > #ygrp-mlmsg > > {font-size:13px;font-family:arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif;} > > #ygrp-mlmsg table {font-size:inherit;font:100%;} > > #ygrp-mlmsg select, input, textarea {font:99% > > arial,helvetica,clean,sans-serif;} > > #ygrp-mlmsg pre, code {font:115% monospace;} > > #ygrp-mlmsg * {line-height:1.22em;} > > #ygrp-text{ > > font-family:Georgia; > > } > > #ygrp-text p{ > > margin:0 0 1em 0; > > } > > #ygrp-tpmsgs{ > > font-family:Arial; > > clear:both; > > } > > #ygrp-vitnav{ > > padding-top:10px; > > font-family:Verdana; > > font-size:77%; > > margin:0; > > } > > #ygrp-vitnav a{ > > padding:0 1px; > > } > > #ygrp-actbar{ > > clear:both; > > margin:25px 0; > > white-space:nowrap; > > color:#666; > > text-align:right; > > } > > #ygrp-actbar .left{ > > float:left; > > white-space:nowrap; > > } > > .bld{font-weight:bold;} > > #ygrp-grft{ > > font-family:Verdana; > > font-size:77%; > > padding:15px 0; > > } > > #ygrp-ft{ > > font-family:verdana; > > font-size:77%; > > border-top:1px solid #666; > > padding:5px 0; > > } > > #ygrp-mlmsg #logo{ > > padding-bottom:10px; > > } > > > > #ygrp-vital{ > > background-color:#e0ecee; > > margin-bottom:20px; > > padding:2px 0 8px 8px; > > } > > #ygrp-vital #vithd{ > > font-size:77%; > > font-family:Verdana; > > font-weight:bold; > > color:#333; > > text-transform:uppercase; > > } > > #ygrp-vital ul{ > > padding:0; > > margin:2px 0; > > } > > #ygrp-vital ul li{ > > list-style-type:none; > > clear:both; > > border:1px solid #e0ecee; > > } > > #ygrp-vital ul li .ct{ > > font-weight:bold; > > color:#ff7900; > > float:right; > > width:2em; > > text-align:right; > > padding-right:.5em; > > } > > #ygrp-vital ul li .cat{ > > font-weight:bold; > > } > > #ygrp-vital a { > > text-decoration:none; > > } > > > > #ygrp-vital a:hover{ > > text-decoration:underline; > > } > > > > #ygrp-sponsor #hd{ > > color:#999; > > font-size:77%; > > } > > #ygrp-sponsor #ov{ > > padding:6px 13px; > > background-color:#e0ecee; > > margin-bottom:20px; > > } > > #ygrp-sponsor #ov ul{ > > padding:0 0 0 8px; > > margin:0; > > } > > #ygrp-sponsor #ov li{ > > list-style-type:square; > > padding:6px 0; > > font-size:77%; > > } > > #ygrp-sponsor #ov li a{ > > text-decoration:none; > > font-size:130%; > > } > > #ygrp-sponsor #nc { > > background-color:#eee; > > margin-bottom:20px; > > padding:0 8px; > > } > > #ygrp-sponsor .ad{ > > padding:8px 0; > > } > > #ygrp-sponsor .ad #hd1{ > > font-family:Arial; > > font-weight:bold; > > color:#628c2a; > > font-size:100%; > > line-height:122%; > > } > > #ygrp-sponsor .ad a{ > > text-decoration:none; > > } > > #ygrp-sponsor .ad a:hover{ > > text-decoration:underline; > > } > > #ygrp-sponsor .ad p{ > > margin:0; > > } > > o {font-size:0;} > > .MsoNormal { > > margin:0 0 0 0; > > } > > #ygrp-text tt{ > > font-size:120%; > > } > > blockquote{margin:0 0 0 4px;} > > .replbq {margin:4;} > > --> > > > > GOOD LUCK!!! > > > > > > > > > > ________ > > New Mail is the ultimate force in competitive emailing. 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Guest guest Posted February 4, 2007 Report Share Posted February 4, 2007 Hi Hugo, Good to hear from you again! This time the report seems to be completed, well done. Let's look at the tongue and pulses: Left hand = shows us too much damp had risen from Qi and blood level, this caused by too much pressure, Qi, not from heat because there is no heat signs nor symptoms and this excess caused from deficiency of Qi . Actually from Qi , blood and jing deficiency " thin and deep in bottom pulse " Top ( Heart ) slippery ( damp ), soft ( water, damp ), middle depth ( blood and Qi or midjiao ) = blood and qi not transformed, but turned to damp, in midjiao. Middle ( Qi and blood level ) slippery ( damp ) , not root ( no qi, actual Qi def ), middle depth ( at Qi and blood or midjiao, muscles and tendons ). Bottom ( Ki, Yin- ) absent ( def ) or thin deep ( thin: def, deep : yang / qi def can not raise the pulse ) this could be a prenatal, no problem. Right hand = shows much damp has risen from Liver , external stress, tension, pressure , no signs of heat here. Bottom pulse shows excess pressure causing the pulse to float. Top ( Lu ) superficial ( exterior ), slippery ( damp ), soft ( water, damp ) = excess damp floating to the superficial level , skin. Middle " Liver " (same ) too much damp within qi and blood + some tightness ( tense, stress ) = too much damp within Qi and blood level means this is not an acute , but a semichronic , generated from qi and blood level , and with tension and stress it brought up to the skin level. An excess caused damp to rise to skin and superficial must be from heat symptoms to make these damp rise or from other pressure??? This cause could be from external stress because the Liver pulse gets some tightness ( stress or pressure off and on , not from a constant pressure ) Bottom (Ki yang ) float / superficial ( too much yang qi make it floats ), no root ( def ), some tightness ( from stress ) = too much yang qi from stress, excess, but from deficiency. Tongue no longer red ( no heat ), thick greasy white coat ( too much damp, no interior heat ) turn to medium thickness ( less damp now ), and much more glossy ( much more yin deficiency, this could be from medication or wrong treatments ) very pronounced scalloping ( very much deficiency, but I would not claim this is SP and STO ) = Tongue shows us from excess damp had turned into deficient jing, not yin deficiency. Conclusion based upon tongue and pulse diagnosis , I would prescribe : Long Dan Xie Gan Wan for 2 – 3 days, 20 pills each, 3 times a day. This temporarily relieves the stress and tension, the rash would subside, but it will come back soon because of the deficiency. After 2 – 3 days of Long Dan Xie Gan Wan, I would give another formular : Ba Zhen Wan ( Qi and blood tonification plus regulation ). This would resolve this issue. Let's look at signs and symptoms to see if we are on the right track : Rash on Yang channel ( exterior, floating pulse confirms it ), worse with heat and with tight clothes ( this is heat excess, but is this excess heat from deficient Yin?????????? Let's find out! ) Feel better from relaxation ( means bad with stress and tension , from external excess factors ), better in the morning ( not too much yang, heat, when the environment is cool ), worse in the evenings and at night ( this is yin deficiency with internal heat floating, but if the patient feels no heat then it must be from some pressure ), the raised rash ( excess damp, no heat, ), some redness must be from scratching, the friction. Please ask. Calm and quiet ( no excess heat , heat causes agitation ), agitated sometimes ( from Liver excess, stress, tension, fire but sometimes does not count much ). Based on inquiry and observation here, I see no symptoms of heat, not much of deficiency, but rather from stress and environmental conditions. This is an excess caused from stress, but it was not as so severe that it could turn into phlegm and fire ( wiry rapid, or slippery rapid pulses ). There was no yin deficiency , perhaps just jing deficiency because there is no clear signs of heat or deficient heat. My conclusion : LDXGWan relieves stress, and rash from external stress. BZWan tonifies Qi, Blood " postnatal " which will nourish the Jing. Acupuncture : S36, Sp6 ( tonify Qi and Blood " Ba Zhen Wan " ), do not sedate to remove heat anywhere because no heat sign, But Reg Liv3 GOOD LUCK !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is my treatment plan and this should work! I feel like a freak if it would not work. Others may have different opinions and plans of treatments, please consider their judgments too. Any advice and wisdom would help! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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