Guest guest Posted January 24, 2007 Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 Hi, Can we please wrap up the insurance discussion and get back to discussing TCM. This discussion is only relevant to a portion of our membership, and is not really germane to the mission of this group. Thanks, Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2007 Report Share Posted January 25, 2007 Mark, I feel a need to say something here and I mean no disrespect. I realize that this is a TCM board. However, if we can't succeed in the business end of our practices, it won't matter how much TCM we know because we won't be able to practice it because we'll be out of business. Very few of us received any real formal training on insurance billing, running a business, etc. Many of us don't come into contact on a regular basis with other practitioners, or if we do, are uncomfortable asking business questions. This is all many of us have. I remember this statistic; In the US, 79% of acupuncturists are not practicing within 5 years of graduation. Why? Because they failed at business. There are MANY, many topics I erase daily that do not interest me. It takes less than 10 seconds to do so. If a topic line is " Business Management " , perhaps members could just hit the delete button like I do if they aren't interested. Like it or not, our medicine and our businesses are one. Inseperable. Now, if we were discussing housing swaps with other practitioners, or trying to find homes for kittens, I agree that we should stick to at least discussing our practices and medicine because that truly is off-topic. Just my two cents. Thanks for listening. Barbara _____ Chinese Medicine Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of mmilotay Wednesday, January 24, 2007 1:47 PM Chinese Medicine Insurance Discussion Hi, Can we please wrap up the insurance discussion and get back to discussing TCM. This discussion is only relevant to a portion of our membership, and is not really germane to the mission of this group. Thanks, Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2007 Report Share Posted January 25, 2007 I agree with you, Barbara. Thanks for saying it so well. Peace, Liz Casey - Barbara Beale Chinese Medicine Wednesday, January 24, 2007 9:49 PM RE: Insurance Discussion Mark, I feel a need to say something here and I mean no disrespect. I realize that this is a TCM board. However, if we can't succeed in the business end of our practices, it won't matter how much TCM we know because we won't be able to practice it because we'll be out of business. Very few of us received any real formal training on insurance billing, running a business, etc. Many of us don't come into contact on a regular basis with other practitioners, or if we do, are uncomfortable asking business questions. This is all many of us have. I remember this statistic; In the US, 79% of acupuncturists are not practicing within 5 years of graduation. Why? Because they failed at business. There are MANY, many topics I erase daily that do not interest me. It takes less than 10 seconds to do so. If a topic line is " Business Management " , perhaps members could just hit the delete button like I do if they aren't interested. Like it or not, our medicine and our businesses are one. Inseperable. Now, if we were discussing housing swaps with other practitioners, or trying to find homes for kittens, I agree that we should stick to at least discussing our practices and medicine because that truly is off-topic. Just my two cents. Thanks for listening. Barbara _____ Chinese Medicine Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of mmilotay Wednesday, January 24, 2007 1:47 PM Chinese Medicine Insurance Discussion Hi, Can we please wrap up the insurance discussion and get back to discussing TCM. This discussion is only relevant to a portion of our membership, and is not really germane to the mission of this group. Thanks, Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2007 Report Share Posted January 25, 2007 Me too! Maria K. _____ Chinese Medicine Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of Liz Wednesday, January 24, 2007 10:46 PM Chinese Medicine Re: Insurance Discussion I agree with you, Barbara. Thanks for saying it so well. Peace, Liz Casey - Barbara Beale Traditional_ <Chinese Medicine%40> Chinese_Medicine Wednesday, January 24, 2007 9:49 PM RE: Insurance Discussion Mark, I feel a need to say something here and I mean no disrespect. I realize that this is a TCM board. However, if we can't succeed in the business end of our practices, it won't matter how much TCM we know because we won't be able to practice it because we'll be out of business. Very few of us received any real formal training on insurance billing, running a business, etc. Many of us don't come into contact on a regular basis with other practitioners, or if we do, are uncomfortable asking business questions. This is all many of us have. I remember this statistic; In the US, 79% of acupuncturists are not practicing within 5 years of graduation. Why? Because they failed at business. There are MANY, many topics I erase daily that do not interest me. It takes less than 10 seconds to do so. If a topic line is " Business Management " , perhaps members could just hit the delete button like I do if they aren't interested. Like it or not, our medicine and our businesses are one. Inseperable. Now, if we were discussing housing swaps with other practitioners, or trying to find homes for kittens, I agree that we should stick to at least discussing our practices and medicine because that truly is off-topic. Just my two cents. Thanks for listening. Barbara _____ Traditional_ <Chinese Medicine%40> Chinese_Medicine [Traditional_ <Chinese Medicine%40> Chinese_Medicine ] On Behalf Of mmilotay Wednesday, January 24, 2007 1:47 PM Traditional_ <Chinese Medicine%40> Chinese_Medicine Insurance Discussion Hi, Can we please wrap up the insurance discussion and get back to discussing TCM. This discussion is only relevant to a portion of our membership, and is not really germane to the mission of this group. Thanks, Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2007 Report Share Posted January 25, 2007 I think Mark was specifically asking for an end to this Insurance discussion and not the Business Management thread as a whole. Although they are obviously related this Insurance thread is tiresome to those practitioners outside the US where we do not have this problem. Regards, Angelo Chinese Medicine , Ron & Maria Kuriloff <rmkuriloff wrote: > > Me too! > Maria K. > > _____ > > Chinese Medicine > Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of Liz > Wednesday, January 24, 2007 10:46 PM > Chinese Medicine > Re: Insurance Discussion > > > > I agree with you, Barbara. Thanks for saying it so well. > Peace, Liz Casey > > - > Barbara Beale > Traditional_ <Chinese Medicine% 40> > Chinese_Medicine > Wednesday, January 24, 2007 9:49 PM > RE: Insurance Discussion > > Mark, > > I feel a need to say something here and I mean no disrespect. I realize > that this is a TCM board. However, if we can't succeed in the business end > of our practices, it won't matter how much TCM we know because we won't be > able to practice it because we'll be out of business. Very few of us > received any real formal training on insurance billing, running a business, > etc. Many of us don't come into contact on a regular basis with other > practitioners, or if we do, are uncomfortable asking business questions. > This is all many of us have. I remember this statistic; In the US, 79% > of acupuncturists are not practicing within > > 5 years of graduation. Why? Because they failed at business. > > There are MANY, many topics I erase daily that do not interest me. It takes > less than 10 seconds to do so. If a topic line is " Business Management " , > perhaps members could just hit the delete button like I do if they aren't > interested. Like it or not, our medicine and our businesses are one. > Inseperable. Now, if we were discussing housing swaps with other > practitioners, or trying to find homes for kittens, I agree that we should > stick to at least discussing our practices and medicine because that truly > is off-topic. > > Just my two cents. > > Thanks for listening. > > Barbara > > _____ > > Traditional_ <Chinese Medicine% 40> > Chinese_Medicine > [Traditional_ <Chinese Medicine% 40> > Chinese_Medicine ] On Behalf Of mmilotay > Wednesday, January 24, 2007 1:47 PM > Traditional_ <Chinese Medicine% 40> > Chinese_Medicine > Insurance Discussion > > Hi, > > Can we please wrap up the insurance discussion and get back to > discussing TCM. This discussion is only relevant to a portion of our > membership, and is not really germane to the mission of this group. > > Thanks, > > Mark > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2007 Report Share Posted January 25, 2007 Thanks for your input. Yes, I think business management is a crucial subject. We can't heal people if we don't have it. Unless we do what Holmes suggested a year or so ago, sit under a tree outside of town, and if you have what it takes, people will come. With the modern world of technology, there are interferences between the patient and the tree. So " yes " , on the business discussion for me. I have received some private emails on this to help my scheduling for which I am quite grateful. The insurance issue continues to be a mystery to me. I do think it is a state by state thing and as you point out maybe relevant to the U.S. only. It is a huge quagmire that may be a factor of whether we can do business properly, efficiently and profitably. Sometimes there are discussions pertinent to Europe - I still find them helpful to understand how acupuncture is practiced thoughout the world. I realize that reading about insurance can be tedious, and the delete buttion is close by. This is a vote for the insurance discussion, with an understanding for the contingent from the East. Anne -------------- Original message ---------------------- " Angelo DAlberto " <angelo_dalberto > I think Mark was specifically asking for an end to this Insurance > discussion and not the Business Management thread as a whole. > Although they are obviously related this Insurance thread is tiresome > to those practitioners outside the US where we do not have this > problem. > > Regards, > > Angelo > > Chinese Medicine , Ron & Maria > Kuriloff <rmkuriloff wrote: > > > > Me too! > > Maria K. > > > > _____ > > > > Chinese Medicine > > Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of > Liz > > Wednesday, January 24, 2007 10:46 PM > > Chinese Medicine > > Re: Insurance Discussion > > > > > > > > I agree with you, Barbara. Thanks for saying it so well. > > Peace, Liz Casey > > > > - > > Barbara Beale > > Traditional_ <Chinese Medicine% > 40> > > Chinese_Medicine > > Wednesday, January 24, 2007 9:49 PM > > RE: Insurance Discussion > > > > Mark, > > > > I feel a need to say something here and I mean no disrespect. I > realize > > that this is a TCM board. However, if we can't succeed in the > business end > > of our practices, it won't matter how much TCM we know because we > won't be > > able to practice it because we'll be out of business. Very few of us > > received any real formal training on insurance billing, running a > business, > > etc. Many of us don't come into contact on a regular basis with > other > > practitioners, or if we do, are uncomfortable asking business > questions. > > This is all many of us have. I remember this statistic; In the US, > 79% > > of acupuncturists are not practicing within > > > > 5 years of graduation. Why? Because they failed at business. > > > > There are MANY, many topics I erase daily that do not interest me. > It takes > > less than 10 seconds to do so. If a topic line is " Business > Management " , > > perhaps members could just hit the delete button like I do if they > aren't > > interested. Like it or not, our medicine and our businesses are one. > > Inseperable. Now, if we were discussing housing swaps with other > > practitioners, or trying to find homes for kittens, I agree that we > should > > stick to at least discussing our practices and medicine because > that truly > > is off-topic. > > > > Just my two cents. > > > > Thanks for listening. > > > > Barbara > > > > _____ > > > > Traditional_ <Chinese Medicine% > 40> > > Chinese_Medicine > > [Traditional_ <Chinese Medicine% > 40> > > Chinese_Medicine ] On Behalf Of mmilotay > > Wednesday, January 24, 2007 1:47 PM > > Traditional_ <Chinese Medicine% > 40> > > Chinese_Medicine > > Insurance Discussion > > > > Hi, > > > > Can we please wrap up the insurance discussion and get back to > > discussing TCM. This discussion is only relevant to a portion of our > > membership, and is not really germane to the mission of this group. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Mark > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 26, 2007 Report Share Posted January 26, 2007 i agree with barbara (eloquently put). hit the delete button for topics that are not of personal interest. kb On 1/25/07, Angelo DAlberto <angelo_dalberto wrote: > > I think Mark was specifically asking for an end to this Insurance > discussion and not the Business Management thread as a whole. > Although they are obviously related this Insurance thread is tiresome > to those practitioners outside the US where we do not have this > problem. > > Regards, > > Angelo > > --- In Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\ ogroups.com>, > Ron & Maria > Kuriloff <rmkuriloff wrote: > > > > Me too! > > Maria K. > > > > _____ > > > > Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\ ogroups.com> > > [Chinese Medicine <Traditional_Chinese_Medicin\ e%40>] > On Behalf Of > Liz > > Wednesday, January 24, 2007 10:46 PM > > To: Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\ ogroups.com> > > Re: Insurance Discussion > > > > > > > > I agree with you, Barbara. Thanks for saying it so well. > > Peace, Liz Casey > > > > - > > Barbara Beale > > Traditional_ <Chinese Medicine% > 40> > > Chinese_Medicine <Chinese_Medicine%40> > > Wednesday, January 24, 2007 9:49 PM > > RE: Insurance Discussion > > > > Mark, > > > > I feel a need to say something here and I mean no disrespect. I > realize > > that this is a TCM board. However, if we can't succeed in the > business end > > of our practices, it won't matter how much TCM we know because we > won't be > > able to practice it because we'll be out of business. Very few of us > > received any real formal training on insurance billing, running a > business, > > etc. Many of us don't come into contact on a regular basis with > other > > practitioners, or if we do, are uncomfortable asking business > questions. > > This is all many of us have. I remember this statistic; In the US, > 79% > > of acupuncturists are not practicing within > > > > 5 years of graduation. Why? Because they failed at business. > > > > There are MANY, many topics I erase daily that do not interest me. > It takes > > less than 10 seconds to do so. If a topic line is " Business > Management " , > > perhaps members could just hit the delete button like I do if they > aren't > > interested. Like it or not, our medicine and our businesses are one. > > Inseperable. Now, if we were discussing housing swaps with other > > practitioners, or trying to find homes for kittens, I agree that we > should > > stick to at least discussing our practices and medicine because > that truly > > is off-topic. > > > > Just my two cents. > > > > Thanks for listening. > > > > Barbara > > > > _____ > > > > Traditional_ <Chinese Medicine% > 40> > > Chinese_Medicine <Chinese_Medicine%40> > > [Traditional_ <Chinese Medicine% > 40> > > Chinese_Medicine <Chinese_Medicine%40>] > On Behalf Of mmilotay > > Wednesday, January 24, 2007 1:47 PM > > Traditional_ <Chinese Medicine% > 40> > > Chinese_Medicine <Chinese_Medicine%40> > > Insurance Discussion > > > > Hi, > > > > Can we please wrap up the insurance discussion and get back to > > discussing TCM. This discussion is only relevant to a portion of our > > membership, and is not really germane to the mission of this group. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Mark > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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