Guest guest Posted January 14, 2007 Report Share Posted January 14, 2007 Dear friends, colleagues and teachers, I have a patient who is scheduled to have a cholestectomy (gall bladder removal surgery) this coming week. I have been treating him for about a month. Though initially, he was completely resistant to being treated by acupuncture, gradually he has come to trust me more and more, and over the past two weeks he has agreed to it. I have also treated him with herbs and CranioSacral therapy. Unfortunately, he had a sister who had to have emergency surgery when a stone became infected, and though I asked him for a month, he has succumbed to family pressure. During the time I have treated him, he has modified his diet and has stopped eating dairy, fatty foods, fried foods and spicy foods. Nonetheless, though, the results that he has seen have been less than dramatic. My questions to you are: 1. What do you respond to a patient who tells you that his doctor has told him that he can do just fine without a gall bladder, that he doesn't need to change his diet or limit fat intake, that digestion is not affected, that when the gall bladder is removed, the liver continues to make bile, but instead of being stored in the gall bladder, the bile flows directly into the small intestine. Furthermore, problems following laperoscopic cholestectomy are few. 2. Can any of you relate protocols that you have followed to successfully resolve gall stones? (BTW I know all about liver and GB flushes, as well as traditional points and herbs that treat liver and GB damp heat (which this certainly was), but as I said, he basically wasn't interested in acupuncture nor did he have the patience nor inclination to start with a lemon juice and olive oil flush or enema). This was a busy professional who expects to miss a day or so from the procedure and quickly return to work. SIncerely, Yehuda http://traditionaljewishmedicine.com/ Any questions? Get answers on any topic at Answers. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2007 Report Share Posted January 14, 2007 There's an old saying " You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink. " The only response you can have is an attempt to educate. But you can not educate a closed mind. We are not here to " save " everyone from their self generated 'karma', but rather to stand ready to be of service to those who are ready to take another step in raising their awareness/consciousness/self-realization, or whatever you want to call it. This " busy professional " is apparently consumed with busi-ness and the outer material world. This is a self determined position of yin/yang imbalance, for which there is always a price to pay. My advice: Be content in knowing that you have offered, and continue to offer, the best advice you can. And then be respectful and allow this person to learn the lesson they are here to learn. Best, Will William Hendry, LMT, CST Oracle Advisors, Inc. (941) 256-0096 ________________________________ On Behalf Of yehuda frischman Sunday, January 14, 2007 12:50 AM TCM cholestectomy Dear friends, colleagues and teachers, I have a patient who is scheduled to have a cholestectomy (gall bladder removal surgery) this coming week. I have been treating him for about a month. Though initially, he was completely resistant to being treated by acupuncture, gradually he has come to trust me more and more, and over the past two weeks he has agreed to it. I have also treated him with herbs and CranioSacral therapy. Unfortunately, he had a sister who had to have emergency surgery when a stone became infected, and though I asked him for a month, he has succumbed to family pressure. During the time I have treated him, he has modified his diet and has stopped eating dairy, fatty foods, fried foods and spicy foods. Nonetheless, though, the results that he has seen have been less than dramatic. My questions to you are: 1. What do you respond to a patient who tells you that his doctor has told him that he can do just fine without a gall bladder, that he doesn't need to change his diet or limit fat intake, that digestion is not affected, that when the gall bladder is removed, the liver continues to make bile, but instead of being stored in the gall bladder, the bile flows directly into the small intestine. Furthermore, problems following laperoscopic cholestectomy are few. 2. Can any of you relate protocols that you have followed to successfully resolve gall stones? (BTW I know all about liver and GB flushes, as well as traditional points and herbs that treat liver and GB damp heat (which this certainly was), but as I said, he basically wasn't interested in acupuncture nor did he have the patience nor inclination to start with a lemon juice and olive oil flush or enema). This was a busy professional who expects to miss a day or so from the procedure and quickly return to work. SIncerely, Yehuda http://traditionaljewishmedicine.com/ <http://traditionaljewishmedicine.com/> Any questions? Get answers on any topic at Answers. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2007 Report Share Posted January 14, 2007 Yehuda: You may get some other respnses from this. Basically I see that you just have to treat the patient " where they are. " You can help prepare him for surgery, make it not so severe and treat him afterwards. Emphasize the importance of regular treatment so that other surgeries don't have to occur. It would be nice if you had more time, but do what you can in the framework that you have. That will be a great gift to him. Take Care, Anne P.S. I had a patient miss a couple weeks and come back and tell me he had a gall bladder surgery - he had a bad attack, went in quickly. I didn't even know it was an issue for him. -------------- Original message ---------------------- > Dear friends, colleagues and teachers, > > I have a patient who is scheduled to have a cholestectomy (gall bladder > removal surgery) this coming week. I have been treating him for about a month. > Though initially, he was completely resistant to being treated by acupuncture, > gradually he has come to trust me more and more, and over the past two weeks he > has agreed to it. I have also treated him with herbs and CranioSacral therapy. > Unfortunately, he had a sister who had to have emergency surgery when a stone > became infected, and though I asked him for a month, he has succumbed to family > pressure. During the time I have treated him, he has modified his diet and has > stopped eating dairy, fatty foods, fried foods and spicy foods. Nonetheless, > though, the results that he has seen have been less than dramatic. > > My questions to you are: 1. What do you respond to a patient who tells you > that his doctor has told him that he can do just fine without a gall bladder, > that he doesn't need to change his diet or limit fat intake, that digestion is > not affected, that when the gall bladder is removed, the liver continues to make > bile, but instead of being stored in the gall bladder, the bile flows directly > into the small intestine. Furthermore, problems following laperoscopic > cholestectomy are few. 2. Can any of you relate protocols that you have > followed to successfully resolve gall stones? > > (BTW I know all about liver and GB flushes, as well as traditional points and > herbs that treat liver and GB damp heat (which this certainly was), but as I > said, he basically wasn't interested in acupuncture nor did he have the patience > nor inclination to start with a lemon juice and olive oil flush or enema). This > was a busy professional who expects to miss a day or so from the procedure and > quickly return to work. > > SIncerely, > > Yehuda > > > > > > http://traditionaljewishmedicine.com/ > > > > Any questions? Get answers on any topic at Answers. Try it now. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 14, 2007 Report Share Posted January 14, 2007 Yehuda, Thank you for posing your questions. In northern Arizona, where I currently live and practice, a surprisingly large percentage of my female patients have had their gallbladders removed, and not one of them had ever been told that they should subsequently maintain a low dietary fat intake. About 1/4 of these women continue to have the same pains they had prior to their cholecystectomies, and about another 1/4 have pains that I believe are related to the underlying disharmony that existed before their surgeries. I wish I had experience to offer you in terms of successful suggestions. Rather, what I have learned, is that the psychoemotional profile of patients with this particular imbalance seems to be part and parcel of the same pattern that creates their physical symptoms and disease. More than people with any other type of disorder that I treat, these folks want me to " fix " them, rather than learn how to take better care of themselves. It is as if they view their bodies' needs for care and preventive meintenance as a hindrance to, well, living. So, yes, I do share what information I have with them, about what they can do themselves to relieve their symptoms, and improve their health and quality of life. I also tell them what I can offer in terms of relief, and that in absence of making any real changes in diet and exercise, I expect their relief will be temporary, even if long-term. We live in a culture where many folks will choose to have parts of their bodies excised as a quick fix, rather than look at the bigger picture, or even what other diseases may lie in wait should they continue on their present course. Sadly, most of them just don't care. And I have concluded that it isn't my job to care more about them than they do themselves. So I present the info and let them make their choices. I'd always rather make the initial assumption that their choices are made from ignorance, but that has never yet proven to be true. If you come to different conclusions, I'd love to hear them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2007 Report Share Posted January 15, 2007 On Sunday 14 January 2007 12:49 am, yehuda frischman wrote: <snip> > My questions to you are: 1. What do you respond to a patient who tells > you that his doctor has told him that he can do just fine without a gall > bladder, that he doesn't need to change his diet or limit fat intake, that > digestion is not affected, that when the gall bladder is removed, the liver > continues to make bile, but instead of being stored in the gall bladder, > the bile flows directly into the small intestine. Furthermore, problems > following laperoscopic cholestectomy are few. Hi Yehuda! You can share case studies if you have them. I would search for these on google. I have a friend who had the surgery who regrets it but I also have another friend who would have died without it. -- Regards, Pete http://www.pete-theisen.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 15, 2007 Report Share Posted January 15, 2007 On Monday 15 January 2007 6:49 pm, Pete Theisen wrote: > On Sunday 14 January 2007 12:49 am, yehuda frischman wrote: > <snip> >on google. Found this link: http://depts.washington.edu/drrpt/clinicalleadership/gallbladdersurgery.htm -- Regards, Pete http://www.pete-theisen.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2007 Report Share Posted January 16, 2007 On Monday 15 January 2007 6:57 pm, Pete Theisen wrote: > On Monday 15 January 2007 6:49 pm, Pete Theisen wrote: > > On Sunday 14 January 2007 12:49 am, yehuda frischman wrote: > > <snip> > > > >on google. > > Found this link: > http://depts.washington.edu/drrpt/clinicalleadership/gallbladdersurgery.htm another one: http://www.steadyhealth.com/Gallbladder_Flushing_t58395.html -- Regards, Pete http://www.pete-theisen.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2007 Report Share Posted January 16, 2007 On Monday 15 January 2007 7:17 pm, Pete Theisen wrote: > On Monday 15 January 2007 6:57 pm, Pete Theisen wrote: > > On Monday 15 January 2007 6:49 pm, Pete Theisen wrote: > > > On Sunday 14 January 2007 12:49 am, yehuda frischman wrote: > > > <snip> > > > > > >on google. > > > > Found this link: > > http://depts.washington.edu/drrpt/clinicalleadership/gallbladdersurgery.h > >tm > > another one: > http://www.steadyhealth.com/Gallbladder_Flushing_t58395.html one more: http://www.sensiblehealth.com/gallbladder.html -- Regards, Pete http://www.pete-theisen.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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