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Dear friends, colleagues and teachers,

 

I have a patient who is scheduled to have a cholestectomy (gall bladder

removal surgery) this coming week. I have been treating him for about a month.

Though initially, he was completely resistant to being treated by acupuncture,

gradually he has come to trust me more and more, and over the past two weeks he

has agreed to it. I have also treated him with herbs and CranioSacral therapy.

Unfortunately, he had a sister who had to have emergency surgery when a stone

became infected, and though I asked him for a month, he has succumbed to family

pressure. During the time I have treated him, he has modified his diet and has

stopped eating dairy, fatty foods, fried foods and spicy foods. Nonetheless,

though, the results that he has seen have been less than dramatic.

 

My questions to you are: 1. What do you respond to a patient who tells you

that his doctor has told him that he can do just fine without a gall bladder,

that he doesn't need to change his diet or limit fat intake, that digestion is

not affected, that when the gall bladder is removed, the liver continues to make

bile, but instead of being stored in the gall bladder, the bile flows directly

into the small intestine. Furthermore, problems following laperoscopic

cholestectomy are few. 2. Can any of you relate protocols that you have

followed to successfully resolve gall stones?

 

(BTW I know all about liver and GB flushes, as well as traditional points and

herbs that treat liver and GB damp heat (which this certainly was), but as I

said, he basically wasn't interested in acupuncture nor did he have the patience

nor inclination to start with a lemon juice and olive oil flush or enema). This

was a busy professional who expects to miss a day or so from the procedure and

quickly return to work.

 

SIncerely,

 

Yehuda

 

 

 

 

 

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There's an old saying " You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him

drink. " The only response you can have is an attempt to educate. But you

can not educate a closed mind. We are not here to " save " everyone from

their self generated 'karma', but rather to stand ready to be of service to

those who are ready to take another step in raising their

awareness/consciousness/self-realization, or whatever you want to call it.

This " busy professional " is apparently consumed with busi-ness and the

outer material world. This is a self determined position of yin/yang

imbalance, for which there is always a price to pay. My advice: Be content

in knowing that you have offered, and continue to offer, the best advice you

can. And then be respectful and allow this person to learn the lesson they

are here to learn.

 

Best,

Will

 

William Hendry, LMT, CST

Oracle Advisors, Inc.

(941) 256-0096

 

 

 

 

 

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On Behalf Of yehuda frischman

Sunday, January 14, 2007 12:50 AM

TCM

cholestectomy

 

 

 

Dear friends, colleagues and teachers,

 

I have a patient who is scheduled to have a cholestectomy (gall bladder

removal surgery) this coming week. I have been treating him for about a

month. Though initially, he was completely resistant to being treated by

acupuncture, gradually he has come to trust me more and more, and over the

past two weeks he has agreed to it. I have also treated him with herbs and

CranioSacral therapy. Unfortunately, he had a sister who had to have

emergency surgery when a stone became infected, and though I asked him for a

month, he has succumbed to family pressure. During the time I have treated

him, he has modified his diet and has stopped eating dairy, fatty foods,

fried foods and spicy foods. Nonetheless, though, the results that he has

seen have been less than dramatic.

 

My questions to you are: 1. What do you respond to a patient who tells you

that his doctor has told him that he can do just fine without a gall

bladder, that he doesn't need to change his diet or limit fat intake, that

digestion is not affected, that when the gall bladder is removed, the liver

continues to make bile, but instead of being stored in the gall bladder, the

bile flows directly into the small intestine. Furthermore, problems

following laperoscopic cholestectomy are few. 2. Can any of you relate

protocols that you have followed to successfully resolve gall stones?

 

(BTW I know all about liver and GB flushes, as well as traditional points

and herbs that treat liver and GB damp heat (which this certainly was), but

as I said, he basically wasn't interested in acupuncture nor did he have the

patience nor inclination to start with a lemon juice and olive oil flush or

enema). This was a busy professional who expects to miss a day or so from

the procedure and quickly return to work.

 

SIncerely,

 

Yehuda

 

 

 

 

http://traditionaljewishmedicine.com/

<http://traditionaljewishmedicine.com/>

 

 

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Yehuda:

 

You may get some other respnses from this. Basically I see that you just have

to treat the patient " where they are. " You can help prepare him for surgery,

make it not so severe and treat him afterwards. Emphasize the importance of

regular treatment so that other surgeries don't have to occur. It would be nice

if you had more time, but do what you can in the framework that you have. That

will be a great gift to him.

 

Take Care,

 

Anne

 

P.S. I had a patient miss a couple weeks and come back and tell me he had a

gall bladder surgery - he had a bad attack, went in quickly. I didn't even know

it was an issue for him.

 

 

-------------- Original message ----------------------

 

> Dear friends, colleagues and teachers,

>

> I have a patient who is scheduled to have a cholestectomy (gall bladder

> removal surgery) this coming week. I have been treating him for about a

month.

> Though initially, he was completely resistant to being treated by acupuncture,

> gradually he has come to trust me more and more, and over the past two weeks

he

> has agreed to it. I have also treated him with herbs and CranioSacral

therapy.

> Unfortunately, he had a sister who had to have emergency surgery when a stone

> became infected, and though I asked him for a month, he has succumbed to

family

> pressure. During the time I have treated him, he has modified his diet and

has

> stopped eating dairy, fatty foods, fried foods and spicy foods. Nonetheless,

> though, the results that he has seen have been less than dramatic.

>

> My questions to you are: 1. What do you respond to a patient who tells you

> that his doctor has told him that he can do just fine without a gall bladder,

> that he doesn't need to change his diet or limit fat intake, that digestion is

> not affected, that when the gall bladder is removed, the liver continues to

make

> bile, but instead of being stored in the gall bladder, the bile flows directly

> into the small intestine. Furthermore, problems following laperoscopic

> cholestectomy are few. 2. Can any of you relate protocols that you have

> followed to successfully resolve gall stones?

>

> (BTW I know all about liver and GB flushes, as well as traditional points

and

> herbs that treat liver and GB damp heat (which this certainly was), but as I

> said, he basically wasn't interested in acupuncture nor did he have the

patience

> nor inclination to start with a lemon juice and olive oil flush or enema).

This

> was a busy professional who expects to miss a day or so from the procedure and

> quickly return to work.

>

> SIncerely,

>

> Yehuda

>

>

>

>

>

> http://traditionaljewishmedicine.com/

>

>

>

> Any questions? Get answers on any topic at Answers. Try it now.

>

>

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Yehuda,

 

Thank you for posing your questions. In northern

Arizona, where I currently live and practice, a

surprisingly large percentage of my female patients

have had their gallbladders removed, and not one of

them had ever been told that they should subsequently

maintain a low dietary fat intake. About 1/4 of these

women continue to have the same pains they had prior

to their cholecystectomies, and about another 1/4 have

pains that I believe are related to the underlying

disharmony that existed before their surgeries.

 

I wish I had experience to offer you in terms of

successful suggestions. Rather, what I have learned,

is that the psychoemotional profile of patients with

this particular imbalance seems to be part and parcel

of the same pattern that creates their physical

symptoms and disease. More than people with any other

type of disorder that I treat, these folks want me to

" fix " them, rather than learn how to take better care

of themselves. It is as if they view their bodies'

needs for care and preventive meintenance as a

hindrance to, well, living.

 

So, yes, I do share what information I have with them,

about what they can do themselves to relieve their

symptoms, and improve their health and quality of

life. I also tell them what I can offer in terms of

relief, and that in absence of making any real changes

in diet and exercise, I expect their relief will be

temporary, even if long-term.

 

We live in a culture where many folks will choose to

have parts of their bodies excised as a quick fix,

rather than look at the bigger picture, or even what

other diseases may lie in wait should they continue on

their present course. Sadly, most of them just don't

care. And I have concluded that it isn't my job to

care more about them than they do themselves. So I

present the info and let them make their choices. I'd

always rather make the initial assumption that their

choices are made from ignorance, but that has never

yet proven to be true.

 

If you come to different conclusions, I'd love to hear

them.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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On Sunday 14 January 2007 12:49 am, yehuda frischman wrote:

<snip>

> My questions to you are: 1. What do you respond to a patient who tells

> you that his doctor has told him that he can do just fine without a gall

> bladder, that he doesn't need to change his diet or limit fat intake, that

> digestion is not affected, that when the gall bladder is removed, the liver

> continues to make bile, but instead of being stored in the gall bladder,

> the bile flows directly into the small intestine. Furthermore, problems

> following laperoscopic cholestectomy are few.

 

Hi Yehuda!

 

You can share case studies if you have them. I would search for these on

google. I have a friend who had the surgery who regrets it but I also have

another friend who would have died without it.

--

Regards,

 

Pete

http://www.pete-theisen.com/

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On Monday 15 January 2007 6:57 pm, Pete Theisen wrote:

> On Monday 15 January 2007 6:49 pm, Pete Theisen wrote:

> > On Sunday 14 January 2007 12:49 am, yehuda frischman wrote:

> > <snip>

> >

> >on google.

>

> Found this link:

> http://depts.washington.edu/drrpt/clinicalleadership/gallbladdersurgery.htm

 

another one:

http://www.steadyhealth.com/Gallbladder_Flushing_t58395.html

 

--

Regards,

 

Pete

http://www.pete-theisen.com/

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On Monday 15 January 2007 7:17 pm, Pete Theisen wrote:

> On Monday 15 January 2007 6:57 pm, Pete Theisen wrote:

> > On Monday 15 January 2007 6:49 pm, Pete Theisen wrote:

> > > On Sunday 14 January 2007 12:49 am, yehuda frischman wrote:

> > > <snip>

> > >

> > >on google.

> >

> > Found this link:

> > http://depts.washington.edu/drrpt/clinicalleadership/gallbladdersurgery.h

> >tm

>

> another one:

> http://www.steadyhealth.com/Gallbladder_Flushing_t58395.html

 

one more:

http://www.sensiblehealth.com/gallbladder.html

 

--

Regards,

 

Pete

http://www.pete-theisen.com/

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