Guest guest Posted January 9, 2007 Report Share Posted January 9, 2007 Just curious how Zi Cao Yao, compares in its actions and indications to Ching Wan Hung. I might mention, BTW, that though I am generally not hypersensitive, when I have used Ching Wan Hung, more than once I developed a rash around the place of application. Therefore an alternative would be appreciated. Yehuda <alonmarcus wrote: quali herbs has it as well Oakland, CA 94609 - Chinese Medicine Monday, January 08, 2007 2:00 PM Re: Obtaining/subs for obscure herbs? In Chinese, this is zi cao yao, or lithospermum ointment. I originally got shiunko cream from Sensei Muramoto in the early 70's, and it saved two of my toes from severe frostbite (hiking in a Colorado winter). I used it later for severe frostbite on a patient's hands and toes who was facing amputation in the 80's, as well as for many other conditions. Both Blue Poppy enterprises (Psoriaquell) and Spring Wind (Spring Wind salve) have versions of this ointment available, but with additional ingredients. I use them and have no problem. On Jan 8, 2007, at 1:45 PM, mike Bowser wrote: > I would like to know more about this as well. I am running low on > Japanese shiunko (burn salve used for direct moxa) that I bought > years ago from a now deceased Japanese man. I may need to become a > pioneer again and make my own. ThanksMike W. Bowser, L Ac > > To: > Chinese Medicine:johnkokko > te: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 10:28:19 -0800Re: Obtaining/subs > for obscure herbs? > > Thanks Kath,This is very helpful.Do you also have a recipe for > making common salves?I use beewax heated into a mixture of herbs > soaked in oil for at least 1moon cycle.Thanks.On 1/8/07, Kath > Bartlett, MS, LAc wrote:>> any pure ohol can be > used. vodka is common because its relatively clean> and> pure, > inexpensive and easily obtainable. ever clear is another option,> > chosen for its purity. the martial artist who asked me to fill > these 2 px> mention that his grandmaster has even suggested using > rubbing ohol for> iron> hand training conditioning liniments, due > to its ability to permeate the> skin and enter the capillaries. > however, i wouldn't suggest that, common> sense dictates that it > would be destructive to the epithelial tissues.>> hope this helps,> > k>> On 1/7/07, <johnkokko<johnkokko%40gma > ________ > Get the Live.com Holiday Page for recipes, gift-giving ideas, and > more. > www.live.com/?addtemplate=holiday > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2007 Report Share Posted January 9, 2007 Quali uses the original formulation Oakland, CA 94609 - yehuda frischman Chinese Medicine Monday, January 08, 2007 10:37 PM Zi Cao Yao vs Ching Wan Hung Just curious how Zi Cao Yao, compares in its actions and indications to Ching Wan Hung. I might mention, BTW, that though I am generally not hypersensitive, when I have used Ching Wan Hung, more than once I developed a rash around the place of application. Therefore an alternative would be appreciated. Yehuda <alonmarcus wrote: quali herbs has it as well Oakland, CA 94609 - Chinese Medicine Monday, January 08, 2007 2:00 PM Re: Obtaining/subs for obscure herbs? In Chinese, this is zi cao yao, or lithospermum ointment. I originally got shiunko cream from Sensei Muramoto in the early 70's, and it saved two of my toes from severe frostbite (hiking in a Colorado winter). I used it later for severe frostbite on a patient's hands and toes who was facing amputation in the 80's, as well as for many other conditions. Both Blue Poppy enterprises (Psoriaquell) and Spring Wind (Spring Wind salve) have versions of this ointment available, but with additional ingredients. I use them and have no problem. On Jan 8, 2007, at 1:45 PM, mike Bowser wrote: > I would like to know more about this as well. I am running low on > Japanese shiunko (burn salve used for direct moxa) that I bought > years ago from a now deceased Japanese man. I may need to become a > pioneer again and make my own. ThanksMike W. Bowser, L Ac > > To: > Chinese Medicine:johnkokko > te: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 10:28:19 -0800Re: Obtaining/subs > for obscure herbs? > > Thanks Kath,This is very helpful.Do you also have a recipe for > making common salves?I use beewax heated into a mixture of herbs > soaked in oil for at least 1moon cycle.Thanks.On 1/8/07, Kath > Bartlett, MS, LAc wrote:>> any pure ohol can be > used. vodka is common because its relatively clean> and> pure, > inexpensive and easily obtainable. ever clear is another option,> > chosen for its purity. the martial artist who asked me to fill > these 2 px> mention that his grandmaster has even suggested using > rubbing ohol for> iron> hand training conditioning liniments, due > to its ability to permeate the> skin and enter the capillaries. > however, i wouldn't suggest that, common> sense dictates that it > would be destructive to the epithelial tissues.>> hope this helps,> > k>> On 1/7/07, <johnkokko<johnkokko%40gma > ________ > Get the Live.com Holiday Page for recipes, gift-giving ideas, and > more. > www.live.com/?addtemplate=holiday > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2007 Report Share Posted January 9, 2007 I don't understand how you are answering my question <alonmarcus wrote: Quali uses the original formulation Oakland, CA 94609 - yehuda frischman Chinese Medicine Monday, January 08, 2007 10:37 PM Zi Cao Yao vs Ching Wan Hung Just curious how Zi Cao Yao, compares in its actions and indications to Ching Wan Hung. I might mention, BTW, that though I am generally not hypersensitive, when I have used Ching Wan Hung, more than once I developed a rash around the place of application. Therefore an alternative would be appreciated. Yehuda <alonmarcus wrote: quali herbs has it as well Oakland, CA 94609 - Chinese Medicine Monday, January 08, 2007 2:00 PM Re: Obtaining/subs for obscure herbs? In Chinese, this is zi cao yao, or lithospermum ointment. I originally got shiunko cream from Sensei Muramoto in the early 70's, and it saved two of my toes from severe frostbite (hiking in a Colorado winter). I used it later for severe frostbite on a patient's hands and toes who was facing amputation in the 80's, as well as for many other conditions. Both Blue Poppy enterprises (Psoriaquell) and Spring Wind (Spring Wind salve) have versions of this ointment available, but with additional ingredients. I use them and have no problem. On Jan 8, 2007, at 1:45 PM, mike Bowser wrote: > I would like to know more about this as well. I am running low on > Japanese shiunko (burn salve used for direct moxa) that I bought > years ago from a now deceased Japanese man. I may need to become a > pioneer again and make my own. ThanksMike W. Bowser, L Ac > > To: > Chinese Medicine:johnkokko > te: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 10:28:19 -0800Re: Obtaining/subs > for obscure herbs? > > Thanks Kath,This is very helpful.Do you also have a recipe for > making common salves?I use beewax heated into a mixture of herbs > soaked in oil for at least 1moon cycle.Thanks.On 1/8/07, Kath > Bartlett, MS, LAc wrote:>> any pure ohol can be > used. vodka is common because its relatively clean> and> pure, > inexpensive and easily obtainable. ever clear is another option,> > chosen for its purity. the martial artist who asked me to fill > these 2 px> mention that his grandmaster has even suggested using > rubbing ohol for> iron> hand training conditioning liniments, due > to its ability to permeate the> skin and enter the capillaries. > however, i wouldn't suggest that, common> sense dictates that it > would be destructive to the epithelial tissues.>> hope this helps,> > k>> On 1/7/07, <johnkokko<johnkokko%40gma > ________ > Get the Live.com Holiday Page for recipes, gift-giving ideas, and > more. > www.live.com/?addtemplate=holiday > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2007 Report Share Posted January 9, 2007 Just that you may be less sensitive to it Oakland, CA 94609 - yehuda frischman Chinese Medicine Tuesday, January 09, 2007 12:11 AM Re: Zi Cao Yao vs Ching Wan Hung I don't understand how you are answering my question <alonmarcus wrote: Quali uses the original formulation Oakland, CA 94609 - yehuda frischman Chinese Medicine Monday, January 08, 2007 10:37 PM Zi Cao Yao vs Ching Wan Hung Just curious how Zi Cao Yao, compares in its actions and indications to Ching Wan Hung. I might mention, BTW, that though I am generally not hypersensitive, when I have used Ching Wan Hung, more than once I developed a rash around the place of application. Therefore an alternative would be appreciated. Yehuda <alonmarcus wrote: quali herbs has it as well Oakland, CA 94609 - Chinese Medicine Monday, January 08, 2007 2:00 PM Re: Obtaining/subs for obscure herbs? In Chinese, this is zi cao yao, or lithospermum ointment. I originally got shiunko cream from Sensei Muramoto in the early 70's, and it saved two of my toes from severe frostbite (hiking in a Colorado winter). I used it later for severe frostbite on a patient's hands and toes who was facing amputation in the 80's, as well as for many other conditions. Both Blue Poppy enterprises (Psoriaquell) and Spring Wind (Spring Wind salve) have versions of this ointment available, but with additional ingredients. I use them and have no problem. On Jan 8, 2007, at 1:45 PM, mike Bowser wrote: > I would like to know more about this as well. I am running low on > Japanese shiunko (burn salve used for direct moxa) that I bought > years ago from a now deceased Japanese man. I may need to become a > pioneer again and make my own. ThanksMike W. Bowser, L Ac > > To: > Chinese Medicine:johnkokko > te: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 10:28:19 -0800Re: Obtaining/subs > for obscure herbs? > > Thanks Kath,This is very helpful.Do you also have a recipe for > making common salves?I use beewax heated into a mixture of herbs > soaked in oil for at least 1moon cycle.Thanks.On 1/8/07, Kath > Bartlett, MS, LAc wrote:>> any pure ohol can be > used. vodka is common because its relatively clean> and> pure, > inexpensive and easily obtainable. ever clear is another option,> > chosen for its purity. the martial artist who asked me to fill > these 2 px> mention that his grandmaster has even suggested using > rubbing ohol for> iron> hand training conditioning liniments, due > to its ability to permeate the> skin and enter the capillaries. > however, i wouldn't suggest that, common> sense dictates that it > would be destructive to the epithelial tissues.>> hope this helps,> > k>> On 1/7/07, <johnkokko<johnkokko%40gma > ________ > Get the Live.com Holiday Page for recipes, gift-giving ideas, and > more. > www.live.com/?addtemplate=holiday > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2007 Report Share Posted January 9, 2007 Ching wan hung consists of feng li, ma you , ban bian lian, mo yao, dang gui, bing pian, mu gua. The first two ingredients are: Apis cerana-beeswax, Sesamum indicum seed-oil. It is used for external injury to the skin presenting with skin inflammation, burns or abrasion. The original formulation was concocted to help heal burn wounds of steel workers in China. Some people are allergic to bee products. The purple cloud formula (zi cao) I don't have ingredients for. One of my teachers use it for moxa and all kinds of skin problems. I don't believe it consists of any bee products. On 1/9/07, <alonmarcus wrote: > > Just that you may be less sensitive to it > > > > > Oakland, CA 94609 > > > - > yehuda frischman > To: Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\ ogroups.com> > Tuesday, January 09, 2007 12:11 AM > Re: Zi Cao Yao vs Ching Wan Hung > > I don't understand how you are answering my question > > <alonmarcus <alonmarcus%40wans.net>> wrote: Quali > uses the original formulation > > > > > Oakland, CA 94609 > > > - > yehuda frischman > To: Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\ ogroups.com> > Monday, January 08, 2007 10:37 PM > Zi Cao Yao vs Ching Wan Hung > > Just curious how Zi Cao Yao, compares in its actions and indications to > Ching Wan Hung. I might mention, BTW, that though I am generally not > hypersensitive, when I have used Ching Wan Hung, more than once I developed > a rash around the place of application. Therefore an alternative would be > appreciated. > > Yehuda > <alonmarcus <alonmarcus%40wans.net>> wrote: > quali herbs has it as well > > > > > Oakland, CA 94609 > > > - > > To: Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\ ogroups.com> > Monday, January 08, 2007 2:00 PM > Re: Obtaining/subs for obscure herbs? > > In Chinese, this is zi cao yao, or lithospermum ointment. I > originally got shiunko cream from Sensei Muramoto in the early 70's, > and it saved two of my toes from severe frostbite (hiking in a > Colorado winter). I used it later for severe frostbite on a > patient's hands and toes who was facing amputation in the 80's, as > well as for many other conditions. > > Both Blue Poppy enterprises (Psoriaquell) and Spring Wind (Spring > Wind salve) have versions of this ointment available, but with > additional ingredients. I use them and have no problem. > > > On Jan 8, 2007, at 1:45 PM, mike Bowser wrote: > > > I would like to know more about this as well. I am running low on > > Japanese shiunko (burn salve used for direct moxa) that I bought > > years ago from a now deceased Japanese man. I may need to become a > > pioneer again and make my own. ThanksMike W. Bowser, L Ac > > > > To: > > Chinese Medicine<Chinese Medicine%40\ From> > :johnkokko <johnkokko%40gmail.comDa> > > te: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 10:28:19 -0800Re: Obtaining/subs > > for obscure herbs? > > > > Thanks Kath,This is very helpful.Do you also have a recipe for > > making common salves?I use beewax heated into a mixture of herbs > > soaked in oil for at least 1moon cycle.Thanks.On 1/8/07, Kath > > Bartlett, MS, LAc <acukath <acukath%40gmail.com>> wrote:>> any > pure ohol can be > > used. vodka is common because its relatively clean> and> pure, > > inexpensive and easily obtainable. ever clear is another option,> > > chosen for its purity. the martial artist who asked me to fill > > these 2 px> mention that his grandmaster has even suggested using > > rubbing ohol for> iron> hand training conditioning liniments, due > > to its ability to permeate the> skin and enter the capillaries. > > however, i wouldn't suggest that, common> sense dictates that it > > would be destructive to the epithelial tissues.>> hope this helps,> > > k>> On 1/7/07, <johnkokko <johnkokko%40gmail.com> > <johnkokko%40gma > > ________ > > Get the Live.com <http://live.com/> Holiday Page for recipes, > gift-giving ideas, and > > more. > > www.live.com/?addtemplate=holiday > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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