hit medicine & substitutions à TCMpedia?

[Guest guest]

Hi folks,

 

This is exactly the kind of topic that belongs in the wiki

(TCMpedia). That is, things not routinely taught in basic TCM; things

of great practical/clinical value; and issues where practical

problems arise, calling for some know-how, good sources, possibly

someone with experience to contact.

 

Also special info on and sources for herbs in general.

 

The idea is to have our mutual knowledge readily at hand, and for the

next time a related topic arises. E.g. it came up some months ago,

when I wrote about Resinall-K and Resinall-E remedies used in hit

medicine. These use more things like MoYao, RuXiang, LongXue, SanQi,

YanHuSuo, etc., in an alcohol and glycerine base. (And I related a

personal case history.) Like Liz relates, I've taken to using this

kind of remedy regularly for minor physical trauma, especially open

wounds, e.g. in teenage athletes (and their parents who help them

with practice!).

 

So, Phil, Kelvin, Kath, Jason, Pete, Liz, John, etc. anyone want to

start that up? (Unless one feels proprietary about the information.)

And anyone feel confident to define, sketch a history or survey of

" hit medicine " in general (someone, say, with in-depth WuShu

training)? And, BTW, JingWell points of the affected channels,

especially for hands and feet injuries, are very helpful (rather than

" hitting the crying baby " ).

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Chris, I agree that these personal experiences would be useful on the

tcmpedia site.

I've noticed that there hasn't been much activity on the site.

I'm wondering if we could spruce up the artistic face of the site, so that

it has some pictures of acupuncture charts, ancient drawings, taoist

paintings etc... Also it needs a logo.

 

One story I've seen personally are some martial artists who were making a

movie in a warehouse, where I applied some Yunnan Pai yao company roll on

liniment to a swollen red painful forearm.

The next day, his forearm looked like brand new.

The good thing about the roll-on idea is that it bypasses the messy soaking

or liquid application.

 

Thanks.

 

 

On 1/8/07, < wrote:

>

> Hi folks,

>

> This is exactly the kind of topic that belongs in the wiki

> (TCMpedia). That is, things not routinely taught in basic TCM; things

> of great practical/clinical value; and issues where practical

> problems arise, calling for some know-how, good sources, possibly

> someone with experience to contact.

>

> Also special info on and sources for herbs in general.

>

> The idea is to have our mutual knowledge readily at hand, and for the

> next time a related topic arises. E.g. it came up some months ago,

> when I wrote about Resinall-K and Resinall-E remedies used in hit

> medicine. These use more things like MoYao, RuXiang, LongXue, SanQi,

> YanHuSuo, etc., in an alcohol and glycerine base. (And I related a

> personal case history.) Like Liz relates, I've taken to using this

> kind of remedy regularly for minor physical trauma, especially open

> wounds, e.g. in teenage athletes (and their parents who help them

> with practice!).

>

> So, Phil, Kelvin, Kath, Jason, Pete, Liz, John, etc. anyone want to

> start that up? (Unless one feels proprietary about the information.)

> And anyone feel confident to define, sketch a history or survey of

> " hit medicine " in general (someone, say, with in-depth WuShu

> training)? And, BTW, JingWell points of the affected channels,

> especially for hands and feet injuries, are very helpful (rather than

> " hitting the crying baby " ).

>

>

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>

>

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> 6:29 PM

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[Guest guest]

i have a concern about posting the type of info chris suggests on

wkipedia. while i agree a website is needed to host this type of info,

available for tcm practitioners and herbalists, i'm not sure that wikipedia

is the proper forum for this. the reason being that anyone can log on to

wikipedia, there's know screening. info such tcm herbal px and where to

obtain chin herbs should be kept private, to be shared only among those lic

to practice tcm disciplines. i feel it would be a mistake to make this info

available to joe public/googler.

 

on a private site, screened only for LAcs, it would be a boon for the

profession to have info like this available.

 

excuse me if i misunderstand who has access to the wikipedia site.

 

my patient, the martial artist has imp. info about temple dit da jows,

including a number of 600y px from daoist monks. would you like be to see

if he would be interested in contributing to the dit da jow site (assuming

it would be protected for LAcs only)? he's not a LAc, rather an

enthusiastic martial artist interested in this aspect of kung fu training.

 

 

On 1/8/07, <johnkokko wrote:

>

> Chris, I agree that these personal experiences would be useful on the

> tcmpedia site.

> I've noticed that there hasn't been much activity on the site.

> I'm wondering if we could spruce up the artistic face of the site, so that

> it has some pictures of acupuncture charts, ancient drawings, taoist

> paintings etc... Also it needs a logo.

>

> One story I've seen personally are some martial artists who were making a

> movie in a warehouse, where I applied some Yunnan Pai yao company roll on

> liniment to a swollen red painful forearm.

> The next day, his forearm looked like brand new.

> The good thing about the roll-on idea is that it bypasses the messy

> soaking

> or liquid application.

>

> Thanks.

>

> On 1/8/07, < <%40well.com>> wrote:

> >

> > Hi folks,

> >

> > This is exactly the kind of topic that belongs in the wiki

> > (TCMpedia). That is, things not routinely taught in basic TCM; things

> > of great practical/clinical value; and issues where practical

> > problems arise, calling for some know-how, good sources, possibly

> > someone with experience to contact.

> >

> > Also special info on and sources for herbs in general.

> >

> > The idea is to have our mutual knowledge readily at hand, and for the

> > next time a related topic arises. E.g. it came up some months ago,

> > when I wrote about Resinall-K and Resinall-E remedies used in hit

> > medicine. These use more things like MoYao, RuXiang, LongXue, SanQi,

> > YanHuSuo, etc., in an alcohol and glycerine base. (And I related a

> > personal case history.) Like Liz relates, I've taken to using this

> > kind of remedy regularly for minor physical trauma, especially open

> > wounds, e.g. in teenage athletes (and their parents who help them

> > with practice!).

> >

> > So, Phil, Kelvin, Kath, Jason, Pete, Liz, John, etc. anyone want to

> > start that up? (Unless one feels proprietary about the information.)

> > And anyone feel confident to define, sketch a history or survey of

> > " hit medicine " in general (someone, say, with in-depth WuShu

> > training)? And, BTW, JingWell points of the affected channels,

> > especially for hands and feet injuries, are very helpful (rather than

> > " hitting the crying baby " ).

> >

> >

> > ----------

> >

> >

> >

> > Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.7/619 - Release 1/7/2007

> > 6:29 PM

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

At 05:31 PM 1/8/2007, " "

wrote:

 

>...info such tcm herbal px and where to obtain chin herbs should be

>kept private, to be shared only among those lic

>to practice tcm disciplines. ....on a private site, screened only

>for LAcs, it would be a boon for the

>profession to have info like this available.

 

I agree. Trade info that may change, border on commercial info, as

well as discussions that are too tentative or exploratory probably

don't belong in public.

 

BTW, Kath brings up an important point -- that what goes in TCMpedia,

as I understand it, gets scanned and indexed in google, and other

similar search engines. This is good in that information there

becomes available to those looking for it. Just like I googled for

" hit medicine " the other day, and came up with a couple of

interesting ads for formulas.

 

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

The idea is that eventually we will lock down tcmpedia with editors, etc. and

allow only

minimal editing, I do think though that you have a good point and a private

practitioner

area may be of value for certain business topics, etc. Of course then some one

has to

become responsible for verifying that some one is a practitioner and that is

work...

Although perhaps allowing people already in the area to invite others to it

would help

remove most of that load.

 

I can have a private area working soon, but what are peoples thoughts on how to

determine access to that area?

 

David Botton

 

 

Chinese Medicine , " "

wrote:

> the reason being that anyone can log on to

> wikipedia, there's know screening. info such tcm herbal px and where to

> obtain chin herbs should be kept private, to be shared only among those lic

> to practice tcm disciplines. i feel it would be a mistake to make this info

> available to joe public/googler.

>

> on a private site, screened only for LAcs, it would be a boon for the

> profession to have info like this available.

[Guest guest]

On Tuesday 09 January 2007 08:30, David Botton wrote:

> The idea is that eventually we will lock down tcmpedia with editors, etc.

> and allow only minimal editing, I do think though that you have a good

> point and a private practitioner area may be of value for certain business

> topics, etc. Of course then some one has to become responsible for

> verifying that some one is a practitioner and that is work... Although

> perhaps allowing people already in the area to invite others to it would

> help remove most of that load.

>

> I can have a private area working soon, but what are peoples thoughts on

> how to determine access to that area?

 

Hi David!

 

You could limit editing rights to licensed professionals and require a faxed

or mailed copy of their license before you approved their participation at

that level.

 

That and keep an eye on their contributions for a while.

--

Regards,

 

Pete

http://www.pete-theisen.com/

[Guest guest]

Chinese Medicine ,

< wrote:

>

> Hi folks,

>

> This is exactly the kind of topic that belongs in the wiki

> (TCMpedia). That is, things not routinely taught in basic TCM;

things

> of great practical/clinical value; and issues where practical

> problems arise, calling for some know-how, good sources, possibly

> someone with experience to contact.

>

> Also special info on and sources for herbs in general.

>

> The idea is to have our mutual knowledge readily at hand, and for

the

> next time a related topic arises. E.g. it came up some months ago,

> when I wrote about Resinall-K and Resinall-E remedies used in hit

> medicine. These use more things like MoYao, RuXiang, LongXue,

SanQi,

> YanHuSuo, etc., in an alcohol and glycerine base. (And I related a

> personal case history.) Like Liz relates, I've taken to using this

> kind of remedy regularly for minor physical trauma, especially open

> wounds, e.g. in teenage athletes (and their parents who help them

> with practice!).

>

> So, Phil, Kelvin, Kath, Jason, Pete, Liz, John, etc. anyone want to

> start that up? (Unless one feels proprietary about the

information.)

> And anyone feel confident to define, sketch a history or survey of

> " hit medicine " in general (someone, say, with in-depth WuShu

> training)? And, BTW, JingWell points of the affected channels,

> especially for hands and feet injuries, are very helpful (rather

than

> " hitting the crying baby " ).

>

>

 

Chris,

 

You can find information on Die Da medicine here:

 

www.tombisio.com

www.zhenggutuina.com

 

For a good source for Die Da products:

 

http://www.kamwo.com/Public/zhenggutuina.php

 

Best,

 

Steve Lamade