mercury poisoning revisited-addendum

[Guest guest]

After posting this I also found in Yeung's " Handbook of Chinese Herbs " Chi Shi

Zhi and Jin Qian Cao also listed along with Tu Fu Ling as able to neutralize

mercury.

 

Y

 

wrote:

Dear Colleagues,

 

A patient of mine inquired about a topic previously discussed at length:

Mercury toxicity and mechanisms of detoxification. I really don't want to

revisit that general topic, but I do want to inqure on two herbs mentioned in

Chen and Chen's, " Chinese Medical Herbalogy and Pharmacology " : Gan Cao and Tu Fu

Ling as being able to neutralize the effect of mercury poisoning, dosages for

this purpose and their use (of course based upon appropriate pattern

differentiation) in formulas.

 

Sincerely,

 

Yehuda

 

 

http://traditionaljewishmedicine.com/

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

http://traditionaljewishmedicine.com/

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Y,

 

 

 

So we must define, what does ¡ÈNeutralize mercury¡É mean?

 

 

 

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On Behalf Of yehuda frischman

2007ǯ1·î7Æü 15:48

 

Re: mercury poisoning revisited-addendum

 

 

 

After posting this I also found in Yeung's " Handbook of Chinese Herbs " Chi

Shi Zhi and Jin Qian Cao also listed along with Tu Fu Ling as able to

neutralize mercury.

 

Y

 

(AT) (DOT) <%40> com> wrote:

Dear Colleagues,

 

A patient of mine inquired about a topic previously discussed at length:

Mercury toxicity and mechanisms of detoxification. I really don't want to

revisit that general topic, but I do want to inqure on two herbs mentioned

in Chen and Chen's, " Chinese Medical Herbalogy and Pharmacology " : Gan Cao

and Tu Fu Ling as being able to neutralize the effect of mercury poisoning,

dosages for this purpose and their use (of course based upon appropriate

pattern differentiation) in formulas.

 

Sincerely,

 

Yehuda

 

 

http://traditionalj <http://traditionaljewishmedicine.com/>

ewishmedicine.com/

 

 

 

http://mail. <>

 

 

http://traditionalj <http://traditionaljewishmedicine.com/>

ewishmedicine.com/

 

 

 

 

http://mail. <>

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi Jason,

 

Your guess is as good as mine, but I would surmise a couple of alternatives:

Either the substances in question are chelators with an affinity to mercury, or

somehow they either biochemically inactivate, like sulfur containing groups do,

or bio-protect as eg. cytochrome P-450 does for the liver.

 

Ideas? Chen and Chen doesn't really say much about either. BTW, one of the

first things we learn in basic herb classes about Gan Cao is that it neutralizes

poisons. Perhaps this would be a good opportunity to ask the obvious same

question: what is the mechanism involved to give it its antidotal property?

 

Yehuda

wrote:

Y,

 

So we must define, what does ¡ÈNeutralize mercury¡É mean?

 

-

 

_____

 

 

On Behalf Of yehuda frischman

2007ǯ1·î7Æü 15:48

 

Re: mercury poisoning revisited-addendum

 

After posting this I also found in Yeung's " Handbook of Chinese Herbs " Chi

Shi Zhi and Jin Qian Cao also listed along with Tu Fu Ling as able to

neutralize mercury.

 

Y

 

(AT) (DOT) <%40> com> wrote:

Dear Colleagues,

 

A patient of mine inquired about a topic previously discussed at length:

Mercury toxicity and mechanisms of detoxification. I really don't want to

revisit that general topic, but I do want to inqure on two herbs mentioned

in Chen and Chen's, " Chinese Medical Herbalogy and Pharmacology " : Gan Cao

and Tu Fu Ling as being able to neutralize the effect of mercury poisoning,

dosages for this purpose and their use (of course based upon appropriate

pattern differentiation) in formulas.

 

Sincerely,

 

Yehuda

 

 

http://traditionalj <http://traditionaljewishmedicine.com/>

ewishmedicine.com/

 

 

 

http://mail. <>

 

 

http://traditionalj <http://traditionaljewishmedicine.com/>

ewishmedicine.com/

 

 

 

 

http://mail. <>

 

 

[Guest guest]

Yehuda

May be they contain selenium probably the most important substance in making

mercury biologically inert

 

 

 

 

Oakland, CA 94609

 

 

-

yehuda frischman

Sunday, January 07, 2007 3:40 PM

RE: Re: mercury poisoning revisited-addendum

 

 

Hi Jason,

 

Your guess is as good as mine, but I would surmise a couple of alternatives:

Either the substances in question are chelators with an affinity to mercury, or

somehow they either biochemically inactivate, like sulfur containing groups do,

or bio-protect as eg. cytochrome P-450 does for the liver.

 

Ideas? Chen and Chen doesn't really say much about either. BTW, one of the

first things we learn in basic herb classes about Gan Cao is that it neutralizes

poisons. Perhaps this would be a good opportunity to ask the obvious same

question: what is the mechanism involved to give it its antidotal property?

 

Yehuda

wrote:

Y,

 

So we must define, what does ¡ÈNeutralize mercury¡É mean?

 

-

 

_____

 

On Behalf Of yehuda frischman

2007ǯ1·î7Æü 15:48

Re: mercury poisoning revisited-addendum

 

After posting this I also found in Yeung's " Handbook of Chinese Herbs " Chi

Shi Zhi and Jin Qian Cao also listed along with Tu Fu Ling as able to

neutralize mercury.

 

Y

 

(AT) (DOT) <%40> com> wrote:

Dear Colleagues,

 

A patient of mine inquired about a topic previously discussed at length:

Mercury toxicity and mechanisms of detoxification. I really don't want to

revisit that general topic, but I do want to inqure on two herbs mentioned

in Chen and Chen's, " Chinese Medical Herbalogy and Pharmacology " : Gan Cao

and Tu Fu Ling as being able to neutralize the effect of mercury poisoning,

dosages for this purpose and their use (of course based upon appropriate

pattern differentiation) in formulas.

 

Sincerely,

 

Yehuda

 

http://traditionalj <http://traditionaljewishmedicine.com/>

ewishmedicine.com/

http://mail. <>

 

http://traditionalj <http://traditionaljewishmedicine.com/>

ewishmedicine.com/

 

http://mail. <>

 

[Guest guest]

After posting this I also found in Yeung's " Handbook of Chinese Herbs " Chi Shi

Zhi and Jin Qian Cao also listed along with Tu Fu Ling as able to neutralize

mercury.

 

Y

 

wrote:

Dear Colleagues,

 

A patient of mine inquired about a topic previously discussed at length:

Mercury toxicity and mechanisms of detoxification. I really don't want to

revisit that general topic, but I do want to inqure on two herbs mentioned in

Chen and Chen's, " Chinese Medical Herbalogy and Pharmacology " : Gan Cao and Tu Fu

Ling as being able to neutralize the effect of mercury poisoning, dosages for

this purpose and their use (of course based upon appropriate pattern

differentiation) in formulas.

 

Sincerely,

 

Yehuda

 

 

http://traditionaljewishmedicine.com/

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

http://traditionaljewishmedicine.com/

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

(Sun, 7 Jan 2007 14:39:09 -0800 (PST),

 

Back in school, an herb teacher mentioned that

" water-soluble " mercury does not have toxicity,

or not as much, in connection with cinnabar. And

some months ago I came across a newspaper article

on this topic. Something about mercury sulfides

(or some special form) not having toxic effects.

And about mercury in some form like this then not

harming the fish or mollusks that carry them. But

possibly becoming toxic when processed / cooked

(and eaten) that changes the chemical composition

such that it passes rather than getting lodged in the organs (e.g. liver).

 

Anyone seen any reliable information along these lines?

 

Although there's little chance, even with

substantiated science that mercury in any

form poses less danger, that the FDA (USA

governmental drug watchdog agency) won't still

ban it. (For our use, that is. Pharmaceutical and

other industrial concerns with influence use it with impunity.)

 

BTW, this is another great topic for TCMpedia

coverage. As Yehuda mentions, " … I really don't

want to revisit that general topic, but… " . This

kind of thought is a flag that building a

repository entry on the topic might be

worthwhile. So we don’t have to " revisit " it

fully everytime, but can refer there, and add

corrections, refinements, clinical illustrations, etc.

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Hi Chris and all,

 

--- < wrote:

 

 

> harming the fish or mollusks that carry them. But

> possibly becoming toxic when processed / cooked

> (and eaten) that changes the chemical composition

> such that it passes rather than getting lodged in

> the organs (e.g. liver).

 

I'll try and dig up something I was reading a couple

of years ago on the subject. Although it is clear from

traditional sources that one is not to heat cinnabar.

 

> worthwhile. So we don’t have to " revisit " it

> fully everytime, but can refer there, and add

> corrections, refinements, clinical illustrations,

> etc.

 

Alright alright, I put a basic entry in, please visit

and edit, anyone who feels a need.

I think this link will take you there

http://www.tcmpedia.com/doku.php?id=internal_disease

 

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