Guest guest Posted January 5, 2007 Report Share Posted January 5, 2007 Does anyone know an herb co that might carry Tu Niu Xi (Rx Achyranthis): this one has heat clearing properties. Also Kuan Jin Teng (Rm Tinosporae Sinensis), its a w-d herb. these are for an ext dit da zow. it's in a 600y px developed by daoist monks for hand conditioning. would also be interested in subs for the herbs, if they can't be found. other w-d herbs already in px include: jiang zhen xiang, quang huo, cang zhu, ba ji tian, wu jia pi, hai feng teng (Cl Piiperis Futokadsurae), bai zhi, fang feng, wei ling xian & song jie (Lg Pini Nodi). also: can someone clarify if Lg. Dalbergiae Odoriferae is the same Jiang (Zhen) Xiang as Lg. Acronychiae. of course they are 2 different species, but can they both be used as Jiang Zhen Xiang in an ext. hit med, having similar action. bensky does not include a monograph of Acronychiae, that i could find. thx in adv, -- Kath Bartlett, LAc, MS, BA UCLA Oriental Medicine Experienced, Dedicated, Effective Asheville Center For 70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777 kbartlett www.AcupunctureAsheville.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2007 Report Share Posted January 7, 2007 At 08:01 AM 1/5/2007, " " wrote: >Does anyone know an herb co that might carry Tu Niu Xi (Rx Achyranthis): >this one has heat clearing properties. I have some of that, from Gan May Trading, Inc. in Oakland, California. It looks more like twigs than HuaiNiuXi (the somewhat flexible ca. 5mm thick stems) and ChaunNiuXi (which is sliced, but looks to have been thicker than the Huai. -- Version: 7.5.432 / Virus Database: 268.16.7/618 - Release 1/6/2007 7:47 PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2007 Report Share Posted January 7, 2007 Kath, Thanks... Mayway has both Tu niu xi, as well as Kuan jin teng. Also, Huai niu xi and Chuan niu xi are available. They do not carry Jiang zhen xiang, but have all of the other herbs that you listed... qiang huo, cang zhu, ba ji tian etc. www.mayway.com products page: for trauma and tieh ta jiao- " dit da zow " look at: internal : jin gu die sheng wan pills china tung hsueh pills chui feng tou gu wan raw tien qi caps/ teapills/ tian san qi - whole herb/ powder/ 5:1 concentrate granules external: wu yang brand plaster for bruise, zheng gu shui yunnan bai yao caps/ powder/ liniment/ patches hua tuo medicated plaster There are many more for bi pain/ repetitive strain/ joint inflammation/ chronic pain etc... Thanks. On 1/5/07, wrote: > > Does anyone know an herb co that might carry Tu Niu Xi (Rx Achyranthis): > this one has heat clearing properties. Also Kuan Jin Teng (Rm Tinosporae > Sinensis), its a w-d herb. these are for an ext dit da zow. it's in a 600y > px developed by daoist monks for hand conditioning. would also be > interested in subs for the herbs, if they can't be found. other w-d herbs > already in px include: jiang zhen xiang, quang huo, cang zhu, ba ji tian, > wu > jia pi, hai feng teng (Cl Piiperis Futokadsurae), bai zhi, fang feng, wei > ling xian & song jie (Lg Pini Nodi). > > also: can someone clarify if Lg. Dalbergiae Odoriferae is the same Jiang > (Zhen) Xiang as Lg. Acronychiae. of course they are 2 different species, > but can they both be used as Jiang Zhen Xiang in an ext. hit med, having > similar action. bensky does not include a monograph of Acronychiae, that i > could find. > > thx in adv, > > -- > > Oriental Medicine > Experienced, Dedicated, Effective > > Asheville Center For > 70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two > Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777 > kbartlett <kbartlett%40AcupunctureAsheville.com> > www.AcupunctureAsheville.com > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2007 Report Share Posted January 7, 2007 i'm looking for the herbs to fill a particular px. my supplier has all except possibly kuan jin teng. they are checking to see whether they can get it. On 1/7/07, <johnkokko wrote: > > Kath, > Thanks... > Mayway has both Tu niu xi, as well as Kuan jin teng. > Also, Huai niu xi and Chuan niu xi are available. > > They do not carry Jiang zhen xiang, > but have all of the other herbs that you listed... qiang huo, cang zhu, ba > ji tian etc. > > www.mayway.com products page: > > for trauma and tieh ta jiao- " dit da zow " look at: > internal : > jin gu die sheng wan pills > china tung hsueh pills > chui feng tou gu wan > raw tien qi caps/ teapills/ tian san qi - whole herb/ powder/ 5:1 > concentrate granules > > external: > wu yang brand plaster for bruise, > zheng gu shui > yunnan bai yao caps/ powder/ liniment/ patches > hua tuo medicated plaster > > There are many more for bi pain/ repetitive strain/ joint inflammation/ > chronic pain etc... > Thanks. > > On 1/5/07, <acukath <acukath%40gmail.com>> > wrote: > > > > Does anyone know an herb co that might carry Tu Niu Xi (Rx Achyranthis): > > this one has heat clearing properties. Also Kuan Jin Teng (Rm Tinosporae > > Sinensis), its a w-d herb. these are for an ext dit da zow. it's in a > 600y > > px developed by daoist monks for hand conditioning. would also be > > interested in subs for the herbs, if they can't be found. other w-d > herbs > > already in px include: jiang zhen xiang, quang huo, cang zhu, ba ji > tian, > > wu > > jia pi, hai feng teng (Cl Piiperis Futokadsurae), bai zhi, fang feng, > wei > > ling xian & song jie (Lg Pini Nodi). > > > > also: can someone clarify if Lg. Dalbergiae Odoriferae is the same Jiang > > (Zhen) Xiang as Lg. Acronychiae. of course they are 2 different species, > > but can they both be used as Jiang Zhen Xiang in an ext. hit med, having > > similar action. bensky does not include a monograph of Acronychiae, that > i > > could find. > > > > thx in adv, > > > > -- > > > > Oriental Medicine > > Experienced, Dedicated, Effective > > > > Asheville Center For > > 70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two > > Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777 > > kbartlett<kbartlett%40AcupunctureAsheville.com><kbartle\ tt%40AcupunctureAsheville.com> > > www.AcupunctureAsheville.com > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 7, 2007 Report Share Posted January 7, 2007 Kath, What do you use for your base alcohol? Vodka, Millet wine? Do you heat the herbs first into a concentrated water decoction or let them sit in alcohol for x number of days? Do you heat the alcohol at all? Thanks On 1/7/07, wrote: > > i'm looking for the herbs to fill a particular px. my supplier has all > except possibly kuan jin teng. they are checking to see > whether they can get it. > > On 1/7/07, <johnkokko <johnkokko%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > Kath, > > Thanks... > > Mayway has both Tu niu xi, as well as Kuan jin teng. > > Also, Huai niu xi and Chuan niu xi are available. > > > > They do not carry Jiang zhen xiang, > > but have all of the other herbs that you listed... qiang huo, cang zhu, > ba > > ji tian etc. > > > > www.mayway.com products page: > > > > for trauma and tieh ta jiao- " dit da zow " look at: > > internal : > > jin gu die sheng wan pills > > china tung hsueh pills > > chui feng tou gu wan > > raw tien qi caps/ teapills/ tian san qi - whole herb/ powder/ 5:1 > > concentrate granules > > > > external: > > wu yang brand plaster for bruise, > > zheng gu shui > > yunnan bai yao caps/ powder/ liniment/ patches > > hua tuo medicated plaster > > > > There are many more for bi pain/ repetitive strain/ joint inflammation/ > > chronic pain etc... > > Thanks. > > > > On 1/5/07, <acukath<acukath%40gmail.com><acukath%40gmail.com>> > > > wrote: > > > > > > Does anyone know an herb co that might carry Tu Niu Xi (Rx > Achyranthis): > > > this one has heat clearing properties. Also Kuan Jin Teng (Rm > Tinosporae > > > Sinensis), its a w-d herb. these are for an ext dit da zow. it's in a > > 600y > > > px developed by daoist monks for hand conditioning. would also be > > > interested in subs for the herbs, if they can't be found. other w-d > > herbs > > > already in px include: jiang zhen xiang, quang huo, cang zhu, ba ji > > tian, > > > wu > > > jia pi, hai feng teng (Cl Piiperis Futokadsurae), bai zhi, fang feng, > > wei > > > ling xian & song jie (Lg Pini Nodi). > > > > > > also: can someone clarify if Lg. Dalbergiae Odoriferae is the same > Jiang > > > (Zhen) Xiang as Lg. Acronychiae. of course they are 2 different > species, > > > but can they both be used as Jiang Zhen Xiang in an ext. hit med, > having > > > similar action. bensky does not include a monograph of Acronychiae, > that > > i > > > could find. > > > > > > thx in adv, > > > > > > -- > > > > > > Oriental Medicine > > > Experienced, Dedicated, Effective > > > > > > Asheville Center For > > > 70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two > > > Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777 > > > kbartlett<kbartlett%40AcupunctureAsheville.com> > <kbartlett%40AcupunctureAsheville.com><kbartlett%40AcupunctureAsh > eville.com> > > > www.AcupunctureAsheville.com > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2007 Report Share Posted January 8, 2007 any pure ohol can be used. vodka is common because its relatively clean and pure, inexpensive and easily obtainable. ever clear is another option, chosen for its purity. the martial artist who asked me to fill these 2 px mention that his grandmaster has even suggested using rubbing ohol for iron hand training conditioning liniments, due to its ability to permeate the skin and enter the capillaries. however, i wouldn't suggest that, common sense dictates that it would be destructive to the epithelial tissues. hope this helps, k On 1/7/07, <johnkokko wrote: > > Kath, > What do you use for your base alcohol? > Vodka, Millet wine? > > Do you heat the herbs first into a concentrated water decoction > or let them sit in alcohol for x number of days? > Do you heat the alcohol at all? > Thanks > > On 1/7/07, <acukath <acukath%40gmail.com>> > wrote: > > > > i'm looking for the herbs to fill a particular px. my supplier has all > > except possibly kuan jin teng. they are checking to see > > whether they can get it. > > > > On 1/7/07, <johnkokko <johnkokko%40gmail.com><johnkokko%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > > > Kath, > > > Thanks... > > > Mayway has both Tu niu xi, as well as Kuan jin teng. > > > Also, Huai niu xi and Chuan niu xi are available. > > > > > > They do not carry Jiang zhen xiang, > > > but have all of the other herbs that you listed... qiang huo, cang > zhu, > > ba > > > ji tian etc. > > > > > > www.mayway.com products page: > > > > > > for trauma and tieh ta jiao- " dit da zow " look at: > > > internal : > > > jin gu die sheng wan pills > > > china tung hsueh pills > > > chui feng tou gu wan > > > raw tien qi caps/ teapills/ tian san qi - whole herb/ powder/ 5:1 > > > concentrate granules > > > > > > external: > > > wu yang brand plaster for bruise, > > > zheng gu shui > > > yunnan bai yao caps/ powder/ liniment/ patches > > > hua tuo medicated plaster > > > > > > There are many more for bi pain/ repetitive strain/ joint > inflammation/ > > > chronic pain etc... > > > Thanks. > > > > > > On 1/5/07, <acukath<acukath%40gmail.com> > <acukath%40gmail.com><acukath%40gmail.com>> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Does anyone know an herb co that might carry Tu Niu Xi (Rx > > Achyranthis): > > > > this one has heat clearing properties. Also Kuan Jin Teng (Rm > > Tinosporae > > > > Sinensis), its a w-d herb. these are for an ext dit da zow. it's in > a > > > 600y > > > > px developed by daoist monks for hand conditioning. would also be > > > > interested in subs for the herbs, if they can't be found. other w-d > > > herbs > > > > already in px include: jiang zhen xiang, quang huo, cang zhu, ba ji > > > tian, > > > > wu > > > > jia pi, hai feng teng (Cl Piiperis Futokadsurae), bai zhi, fang > feng, > > > wei > > > > ling xian & song jie (Lg Pini Nodi). > > > > > > > > also: can someone clarify if Lg. Dalbergiae Odoriferae is the same > > Jiang > > > > (Zhen) Xiang as Lg. Acronychiae. of course they are 2 different > > species, > > > > but can they both be used as Jiang Zhen Xiang in an ext. hit med, > > having > > > > similar action. bensky does not include a monograph of Acronychiae, > > that > > > i > > > > could find. > > > > > > > > thx in adv, > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > Oriental Medicine > > > > Experienced, Dedicated, Effective > > > > > > > > Asheville Center For > > > > 70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two > > > > Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777 > > > > kbartlett<kbartlett%40AcupunctureAsheville.com> > <kbartlett%40AcupunctureAsheville.com> > > <kbartlett%40AcupunctureAsheville.com><kbartlett%40AcupunctureAsh > > eville.com> > > > > www.AcupunctureAsheville.com > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2007 Report Share Posted January 8, 2007 the soaking time varies, depending on how quickly you want them or if you want an extra strong, potent batch. i think the liniments can be compared to aging fine wines, in that regard. you can soak/extract for anywhere btwn 1 month to 7+ years. of the two that i'm filling for hand conditioning for the martial artist, one is soaked for 2 months, the other for 1-7yrs. . On 1/7/07, <johnkokko wrote: > > Kath, > What do you use for your base alcohol? > Vodka, Millet wine? > > Do you heat the herbs first into a concentrated water decoction > or let them sit in alcohol for x number of days? > Do you heat the alcohol at all? > Thanks > > On 1/7/07, <acukath <acukath%40gmail.com>> > wrote: > > > > i'm looking for the herbs to fill a particular px. my supplier has all > > except possibly kuan jin teng. they are checking to see > > whether they can get it. > > > > On 1/7/07, <johnkokko <johnkokko%40gmail.com><johnkokko%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > > > Kath, > > > Thanks... > > > Mayway has both Tu niu xi, as well as Kuan jin teng. > > > Also, Huai niu xi and Chuan niu xi are available. > > > > > > They do not carry Jiang zhen xiang, > > > but have all of the other herbs that you listed... qiang huo, cang > zhu, > > ba > > > ji tian etc. > > > > > > www.mayway.com products page: > > > > > > for trauma and tieh ta jiao- " dit da zow " look at: > > > internal : > > > jin gu die sheng wan pills > > > china tung hsueh pills > > > chui feng tou gu wan > > > raw tien qi caps/ teapills/ tian san qi - whole herb/ powder/ 5:1 > > > concentrate granules > > > > > > external: > > > wu yang brand plaster for bruise, > > > zheng gu shui > > > yunnan bai yao caps/ powder/ liniment/ patches > > > hua tuo medicated plaster > > > > > > There are many more for bi pain/ repetitive strain/ joint > inflammation/ > > > chronic pain etc... > > > Thanks. > > > > > > On 1/5/07, <acukath<acukath%40gmail.com> > <acukath%40gmail.com><acukath%40gmail.com>> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Does anyone know an herb co that might carry Tu Niu Xi (Rx > > Achyranthis): > > > > this one has heat clearing properties. Also Kuan Jin Teng (Rm > > Tinosporae > > > > Sinensis), its a w-d herb. these are for an ext dit da zow. it's in > a > > > 600y > > > > px developed by daoist monks for hand conditioning. would also be > > > > interested in subs for the herbs, if they can't be found. other w-d > > > herbs > > > > already in px include: jiang zhen xiang, quang huo, cang zhu, ba ji > > > tian, > > > > wu > > > > jia pi, hai feng teng (Cl Piiperis Futokadsurae), bai zhi, fang > feng, > > > wei > > > > ling xian & song jie (Lg Pini Nodi). > > > > > > > > also: can someone clarify if Lg. Dalbergiae Odoriferae is the same > > Jiang > > > > (Zhen) Xiang as Lg. Acronychiae. of course they are 2 different > > species, > > > > but can they both be used as Jiang Zhen Xiang in an ext. hit med, > > having > > > > similar action. bensky does not include a monograph of Acronychiae, > > that > > > i > > > > could find. > > > > > > > > thx in adv, > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > Oriental Medicine > > > > Experienced, Dedicated, Effective > > > > > > > > Asheville Center For > > > > 70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two > > > > Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777 > > > > kbartlett<kbartlett%40AcupunctureAsheville.com> > <kbartlett%40AcupunctureAsheville.com> > > <kbartlett%40AcupunctureAsheville.com><kbartlett%40AcupunctureAsh > > eville.com> > > > > www.AcupunctureAsheville.com > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2007 Report Share Posted January 8, 2007 Thanks Kath, This is very helpful. Do you also have a recipe for making common salves? I use beewax heated into a mixture of herbs soaked in oil for at least 1 moon cycle. Thanks. On 1/8/07, wrote: > > any pure ohol can be used. vodka is common because its relatively clean > and > pure, inexpensive and easily obtainable. ever clear is another option, > chosen for its purity. the martial artist who asked me to fill these 2 px > mention that his grandmaster has even suggested using rubbing ohol for > iron > hand training conditioning liniments, due to its ability to permeate the > skin and enter the capillaries. however, i wouldn't suggest that, common > sense dictates that it would be destructive to the epithelial tissues. > > hope this helps, > k > > On 1/7/07, <johnkokko <johnkokko%40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > Kath, > > What do you use for your base alcohol? > > Vodka, Millet wine? > > > > Do you heat the herbs first into a concentrated water decoction > > or let them sit in alcohol for x number of days? > > Do you heat the alcohol at all? > > Thanks > > > > On 1/7/07, <acukath<acukath%40gmail.com><acukath%40gmail.com>> > > wrote: > > > > > > i'm looking for the herbs to fill a particular px. my supplier has all > > > except possibly kuan jin teng. they are checking to see > > > whether they can get it. > > > > > > On 1/7/07, <johnkokko <johnkokko%40gmail.com><johnkokko%40gmail.com><johnkokko% > 40gmail.com>> wrote: > > > > > > > > Kath, > > > > Thanks... > > > > Mayway has both Tu niu xi, as well as Kuan jin teng. > > > > Also, Huai niu xi and Chuan niu xi are available. > > > > > > > > They do not carry Jiang zhen xiang, > > > > but have all of the other herbs that you listed... qiang huo, cang > > zhu, > > > ba > > > > ji tian etc. > > > > > > > > www.mayway.com products page: > > > > > > > > for trauma and tieh ta jiao- " dit da zow " look at: > > > > internal : > > > > jin gu die sheng wan pills > > > > china tung hsueh pills > > > > chui feng tou gu wan > > > > raw tien qi caps/ teapills/ tian san qi - whole herb/ powder/ 5:1 > > > > concentrate granules > > > > > > > > external: > > > > wu yang brand plaster for bruise, > > > > zheng gu shui > > > > yunnan bai yao caps/ powder/ liniment/ patches > > > > hua tuo medicated plaster > > > > > > > > There are many more for bi pain/ repetitive strain/ joint > > inflammation/ > > > > chronic pain etc... > > > > Thanks. > > > > > > > > On 1/5/07, <acukath<acukath%40gmail.com> > <acukath%40gmail.com> > > <acukath%40gmail.com><acukath%40gmail.com>> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Does anyone know an herb co that might carry Tu Niu Xi (Rx > > > Achyranthis): > > > > > this one has heat clearing properties. Also Kuan Jin Teng (Rm > > > Tinosporae > > > > > Sinensis), its a w-d herb. these are for an ext dit da zow. it's > in > > a > > > > 600y > > > > > px developed by daoist monks for hand conditioning. would also be > > > > > interested in subs for the herbs, if they can't be found. other > w-d > > > > herbs > > > > > already in px include: jiang zhen xiang, quang huo, cang zhu, ba > ji > > > > tian, > > > > > wu > > > > > jia pi, hai feng teng (Cl Piiperis Futokadsurae), bai zhi, fang > > feng, > > > > wei > > > > > ling xian & song jie (Lg Pini Nodi). > > > > > > > > > > also: can someone clarify if Lg. Dalbergiae Odoriferae is the same > > > Jiang > > > > > (Zhen) Xiang as Lg. Acronychiae. of course they are 2 different > > > species, > > > > > but can they both be used as Jiang Zhen Xiang in an ext. hit med, > > > having > > > > > similar action. bensky does not include a monograph of > Acronychiae, > > > that > > > > i > > > > > could find. > > > > > > > > > > thx in adv, > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > > > > > > Oriental Medicine > > > > > Experienced, Dedicated, Effective > > > > > > > > > > Asheville Center For > > > > > 70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two > > > > > Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777 > > > > > kbartlett<kbartlett%40AcupunctureAsheville.com> > <kbartlett%40AcupunctureAsheville.com> > > <kbartlett%40AcupunctureAsheville.com> > > > <kbartlett%40AcupunctureAsheville.com><kbartlett%40AcupunctureAsh > > > eville.com> > > > > > www.AcupunctureAsheville.com > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2007 Report Share Posted January 8, 2007 I would like to know more about this as well. I am running low on Japanese shiunko (burn salve used for direct moxa) that I bought years ago from a now deceased Japanese man. I may need to become a pioneer again and make my own. ThanksMike W. Bowser, L Ac : johnkokko: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 10:28:19 -0800Re: Obtaining/subs for obscure herbs? Thanks Kath,This is very helpful.Do you also have a recipe for making common salves?I use beewax heated into a mixture of herbs soaked in oil for at least 1moon cycle.Thanks.On 1/8/07, wrote:>> any pure ohol can be used. vodka is common because its relatively clean> and> pure, inexpensive and easily obtainable. ever clear is another option,> chosen for its purity. the martial artist who asked me to fill these 2 px> mention that his grandmaster has even suggested using rubbing ohol for> iron> hand training conditioning liniments, due to its ability to permeate the> skin and enter the capillaries. however, i wouldn't suggest that, common> sense dictates that it would be destructive to the epithelial tissues.>> hope this helps,> k>> On 1/7/07, <johnkokko <johnkokko%40gmail.com>> wrote:> >> > Kath,> > What do you use for your base alcohol?> > Vodka, Millet wine?> >> > Do you heat the herbs first into a concentrated water decoction> > or let them sit in alcohol for x number of days?> > Do you heat the alcohol at all?> > Thanks> >> > On 1/7/07, <acukath<acukath%40gmail.com><acukath%40gmail.com>>> > wrote:> > >> > > i'm looking for the herbs to fill a particular px. my supplier has all> > > except possibly kuan jin teng. they are checking to see> > > whether they can get it.> > >> > > On 1/7/07, <johnkokko <johnkokko%40gmail.com><johnkokko%40gmail.com><johnkokko%> 40gmail.com>> wrote:> > > >> > > > Kath,> > > > Thanks...> > > > Mayway has both Tu niu xi, as well as Kuan jin teng.> > > > Also, Huai niu xi and Chuan niu xi are available.> > > >> > > > They do not carry Jiang zhen xiang,> > > > but have all of the other herbs that you listed... qiang huo, cang> > zhu,> > > ba> > > > ji tian etc.> > > >> > > > www.mayway.com products page:> > > >> > > > for trauma and tieh ta jiao- " dit da zow " look at:> > > > internal :> > > > jin gu die sheng wan pills> > > > china tung hsueh pills> > > > chui feng tou gu wan> > > > raw tien qi caps/ teapills/ tian san qi - whole herb/ powder/ 5:1> > > > concentrate granules> > > >> > > > external:> > > > wu yang brand plaster for bruise,> > > > zheng gu shui> > > > yunnan bai yao caps/ powder/ liniment/ patches> > > > hua tuo medicated plaster> > > >> > > > There are many more for bi pain/ repetitive strain/ joint> > inflammation/> > > > chronic pain etc...> > > > Thanks.> > > >> > > > On 1/5/07, <acukath<acukath%40gmail.com>> <acukath%40gmail.com>> > <acukath%40gmail.com><acukath%40gmail.com>>> > >> > > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Does anyone know an herb co that might carry Tu Niu Xi (Rx> > > Achyranthis):> > > > > this one has heat clearing properties. Also Kuan Jin Teng (Rm> > > Tinosporae> > > > > Sinensis), its a w-d herb. these are for an ext dit da zow. it's> in> > a> > > > 600y> > > > > px developed by daoist monks for hand conditioning. would also be> > > > > interested in subs for the herbs, if they can't be found. other> w-d> > > > herbs> > > > > already in px include: jiang zhen xiang, quang huo, cang zhu, ba> ji> > > > tian,> > > > > wu> > > > > jia pi, hai feng teng (Cl Piiperis Futokadsurae), bai zhi, fang> > feng,> > > > wei> > > > > ling xian & song jie (Lg Pini Nodi).> > > > >> > > > > also: can someone clarify if Lg. Dalbergiae Odoriferae is the same> > > Jiang> > > > > (Zhen) Xiang as Lg. Acronychiae. of course they are 2 different> > > species,> > > > > but can they both be used as Jiang Zhen Xiang in an ext. hit med,> > > having> > > > > similar action. bensky does not include a monograph of> Acronychiae,> > > that> > > > i> > > > > could find.> > > > >> > > > > thx in adv,> > > > >> > > > > --> > > > > > > > > > Oriental Medicine> > > > > Experienced, Dedicated, Effective> > > > >> > > > > Asheville Center For > > > > > 70 Woodfin Place, Suite West Wing Two> > > > > Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777> > > > > kbartlett<kbartlett%40AcupunctureAsheville.com>> <kbartlett%40AcupunctureAsheville.com>> > <kbartlett%40AcupunctureAsheville.com>> > > <kbartlett%40AcupunctureAsheville.com><kbartlett%40AcupunctureAsh> > > eville.com>> > > > > www.AcupunctureAsheville.com> > > > >> > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]> > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > --> > > > 'Freedom from the desire for an answer is essential to the> > understanding> > > > of> > > > a problem.'> > > >> > > > Jiddu Krishnamurti> > > >> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 8, 2007 Report Share Posted January 8, 2007 In Chinese, this is zi cao yao, or lithospermum ointment. I originally got shiunko cream from Sensei Muramoto in the early 70's, and it saved two of my toes from severe frostbite (hiking in a Colorado winter). I used it later for severe frostbite on a patient's hands and toes who was facing amputation in the 80's, as well as for many other conditions. Both Blue Poppy enterprises (Psoriaquell) and Spring Wind (Spring Wind salve) have versions of this ointment available, but with additional ingredients. I use them and have no problem. On Jan 8, 2007, at 1:45 PM, mike Bowser wrote: > I would like to know more about this as well. I am running low on > Japanese shiunko (burn salve used for direct moxa) that I bought > years ago from a now deceased Japanese man. I may need to become a > pioneer again and make my own. ThanksMike W. Bowser, L Ac > > To: > Chinese Medicine:johnkokko > te: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 10:28:19 -0800Re: Obtaining/subs > for obscure herbs? > > Thanks Kath,This is very helpful.Do you also have a recipe for > making common salves?I use beewax heated into a mixture of herbs > soaked in oil for at least 1moon cycle.Thanks.On 1/8/07, Kath > Bartlett, MS, LAc wrote:>> any pure ohol can be > used. vodka is common because its relatively clean> and> pure, > inexpensive and easily obtainable. ever clear is another option,> > chosen for its purity. the martial artist who asked me to fill > these 2 px> mention that his grandmaster has even suggested using > rubbing ohol for> iron> hand training conditioning liniments, due > to its ability to permeate the> skin and enter the capillaries. > however, i wouldn't suggest that, common> sense dictates that it > would be destructive to the epithelial tissues.>> hope this helps,> > k>> On 1/7/07, <johnkokko<johnkokko%40gma > ________ > Get the Live.com Holiday Page for recipes, gift-giving ideas, and > more. > www.live.com/?addtemplate=holiday > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2007 Report Share Posted January 9, 2007 i've not made salves. however i can refer you to 2 possible sources in Asheville, NC for more info: Amy Stiener: 828 301-0351 wwww.saroirherbals.com. she prepares and bottles an ext. liniment that i use at my clinic for bi syndrome. her business card lists salves among other products. phil ricker omd, also in asheville. 828 232-1002. he has an herbal salve that he makes at his clinic, so i'm sure could provide guidance in salve prep. he is respected among asheville LAcs for his herbal knowledge, and is a senior practitioner. On 1/8/07, mike Bowser <naturaldoc1 wrote: > > I would like to know more about this as well. I am running low on > Japanese shiunko (burn salve used for direct moxa) that I bought years ago > from a now deceased Japanese man. I may need to become a pioneer again and > make my own. ThanksMike W. Bowser, L Ac > > To: Chinese Medicine<Chinese Medicine%40\ From>: > johnkokko <johnkokko%40gmail.comDate>: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 > 10:28:19 -0800Re: Obtaining/subs for obscure herbs? > > Thanks Kath,This is very helpful.Do you also have a recipe for making > common salves?I use beewax heated into a mixture of herbs soaked in oil for > at least 1moon cycle.Thanks.On 1/8/07, < > acukath <acukath%40gmail.com>> wrote:>> any pure ohol can be > used. vodka is common because its relatively clean> and> pure, inexpensive > and easily obtainable. ever clear is another option,> chosen for its purity. > the martial artist who asked me to fill these 2 px> mention that his > grandmaster has even suggested using rubbing ohol for> iron> hand training > conditioning liniments, due to its ability to permeate the> skin and enter > the capillaries. however, i wouldn't suggest that, common> sense dictates > that it would be destructive to the epithelial tissues.>> hope this helps,> > k>> On 1/7/07, <johnkokko <johnkokko%40gmail.com><johnkokko%40gmail.com>> wrote:> >> > Kath,> > What do you use for your base > alcohol?> > Vodka, Millet wine?> >> > Do you heat the herbs first into a > concentrated water decoction> > or let them sit in alcohol for x number of > days?> > Do you heat the alcohol at all?> > Thanks> >> > On 1/7/07, Kath > Bartlett, MS, LAc <acukath <acukath%40gmail.com> > <acukath%40gmail.com><acukath%40gmail.com>>> > wrote:> > >> > > i'm > looking for the herbs to fill a particular px. my supplier has all> > > > except possibly kuan jin teng. they are checking to see> > > whether they > can get it.> > >> > > On 1/7/07, <johnkokko<johnkokko%40gmail.com><johnkokko%40gmail.com><johnkokko% > 40gmail.com><johnkokko%> 40gmail.com>> wrote:> > > >> > > > Kath,> > > > > Thanks...> > > > Mayway has both Tu niu xi, as well as Kuan jin teng.> > > > > Also, Huai niu xi and Chuan niu xi are available.> > > >> > > > They do not > carry Jiang zhen xiang,> > > > but have all of the other herbs that you > listed... qiang huo, cang> > zhu,> > > ba> > > > ji tian etc.> > > >> > > > > www.mayway.com products page:> > > >> > > > for trauma and tieh ta jiao- > " dit da zow " look at:> > > > internal :> > > > jin gu die sheng wan pills> > > > > china tung hsueh pills> > > > chui feng tou gu wan> > > > raw tien qi > caps/ teapills/ tian san qi - whole herb/ powder/ 5:1> > > > concentrate > granules> > > >> > > > external:> > > > wu yang brand plaster for bruise,> > > > > zheng gu shui> > > > yunnan bai yao caps/ powder/ liniment/ patches> > > > > hua tuo medicated plaster> > > >> > > > There are many more for bi pain/ > repetitive strain/ joint> > inflammation/> > > > chronic pain etc...> > > > > Thanks.> > > >> > > > On 1/5/07, <acukath<acukath%40gmail.com><acukath%40gmail.com>> > <acukath%40gmail.com>> > <acukath%40gmail.com><acukath%40gmail.com>>> > >> > > > > wrote:> > > > >> > > > > Does anyone know an herb co that might carry > Tu Niu Xi (Rx> > > Achyranthis):> > > > > this one has heat clearing > properties. Also Kuan Jin Teng (Rm> > > Tinosporae> > > > > Sinensis), its a > w-d herb. these are for an ext dit da zow. it's> in> > a> > > > 600y> > > > > > px developed by daoist monks for hand conditioning. would also be> > > > > > interested in subs for the herbs, if they can't be found. other> w-d> > > > > herbs> > > > > already in px include: jiang zhen xiang, quang huo, cang zhu, > ba> ji> > > > tian,> > > > > wu> > > > > jia pi, hai feng teng (Cl Piiperis > Futokadsurae), bai zhi, fang> > feng,> > > > wei> > > > > ling xian & song > jie (Lg Pini Nodi).> > > > >> > > > > also: can someone clarify if Lg. > Dalbergiae Odoriferae is the same> > > Jiang> > > > > (Zhen) Xiang as Lg. > Acronychiae. of course they are 2 different> > > species,> > > > > but can > they both be used as Jiang Zhen Xiang in an ext. hit med,> > > having> > > > > > similar action. bensky does not include a monograph of> Acronychiae,> > > > that> > > > i> > > > > could find.> > > > >> > > > > thx in adv,> > > > >> > > > > > --> > > > > > > > > > Board Certified > in Oriental Medicine, NCCAOM> > > > > Experienced, Dedicated, Effective> > > > > >> > > > > Asheville Center For > > > > > 70 Woodfin > Place, Suite West Wing Two> > > > > Asheville, NC 28801 828.258.2777> > > > > > kbartlett<kbartlett%40AcupunctureAsheville.com><kbartle\ tt%40AcupunctureAsheville.com>> > <kbartlett%40AcupunctureAsheville.com>> > > <kbartlett%40AcupunctureAsheville.com>> > > > <kbartlett%40AcupunctureAsheville.com><kbartlett%40AcupunctureAsh> > > > eville.com>> > > > > www.AcupunctureAsheville.com> > > > >> > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 9, 2007 Report Share Posted January 9, 2007 quali herbs has it as well Oakland, CA 94609 - Chinese Medicine Monday, January 08, 2007 2:00 PM Re: Obtaining/subs for obscure herbs? In Chinese, this is zi cao yao, or lithospermum ointment. I originally got shiunko cream from Sensei Muramoto in the early 70's, and it saved two of my toes from severe frostbite (hiking in a Colorado winter). I used it later for severe frostbite on a patient's hands and toes who was facing amputation in the 80's, as well as for many other conditions. Both Blue Poppy enterprises (Psoriaquell) and Spring Wind (Spring Wind salve) have versions of this ointment available, but with additional ingredients. I use them and have no problem. On Jan 8, 2007, at 1:45 PM, mike Bowser wrote: > I would like to know more about this as well. I am running low on > Japanese shiunko (burn salve used for direct moxa) that I bought > years ago from a now deceased Japanese man. I may need to become a > pioneer again and make my own. ThanksMike W. Bowser, L Ac > > To: > Chinese Medicine:johnkokko > te: Mon, 8 Jan 2007 10:28:19 -0800Re: Obtaining/subs > for obscure herbs? > > Thanks Kath,This is very helpful.Do you also have a recipe for > making common salves?I use beewax heated into a mixture of herbs > soaked in oil for at least 1moon cycle.Thanks.On 1/8/07, Kath > Bartlett, MS, LAc wrote:>> any pure ohol can be > used. vodka is common because its relatively clean> and> pure, > inexpensive and easily obtainable. ever clear is another option,> > chosen for its purity. the martial artist who asked me to fill > these 2 px> mention that his grandmaster has even suggested using > rubbing ohol for> iron> hand training conditioning liniments, due > to its ability to permeate the> skin and enter the capillaries. > however, i wouldn't suggest that, common> sense dictates that it > would be destructive to the epithelial tissues.>> hope this helps,> > k>> On 1/7/07, <johnkokko<johnkokko%40gma > ________ > Get the Live.com Holiday Page for recipes, gift-giving ideas, and > more. > www.live.com/?addtemplate=holiday > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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