Was Swelling due to removal of lymph nodes, NOW: Breast cancer spread by acupuncture

[Guest guest]

Sory to not actually be answering your question and

just throwing another one of mine into the fray: can

anyone give me some pointers on what to tell patients

who have heard from their oncologist that acupuncture

can spread cancer, cause it to grow, or plain old

cause it?

 

Hugo

 

--- fynn_wu <Kalekainxx wrote:

 

> I'm just curious what treatment methods you would

> use for a patient who

> had breast cancer and had a majority of her lymph

> nodes removed. After

> chemo and surgery, there are no signs of the cancer

> left. But due to

> the removal of the lymph nodes, the patient is

> experience swelling of

> the arm on the side where she had the surgery.

>

> Thanks.

>

>

 

 

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That is nothing but slander, with no proof whatsoever. . .when ever I

hear such stories, ironically often from oncologists through

patients, I just state the facts. There are no studies that prove

such fallacies, it is just playing on patients' fears. Usually it is

taking herbal medicine that is attacked by oncologists, it is the

first I've heard about acupuncture spreading or causing cancer.

 

 

On Dec 15, 2006, at 9:09 AM, Hugo Ramiro wrote:

 

> Sory to not actually be answering your question and

> just throwing another one of mine into the fray: can

> anyone give me some pointers on what to tell patients

> who have heard from their oncologist that acupuncture

> can spread cancer, cause it to grow, or plain old

> cause it?

>

> Hugo

>

> --- fynn_wu <Kalekainxx wrote:

>

> > I'm just curious what treatment methods you would

> > use for a patient who

> > had breast cancer and had a majority of her lymph

> > nodes removed. After

> > chemo and surgery, there are no signs of the cancer

> > left. But due to

> > the removal of the lymph nodes, the patient is

> > experience swelling of

> > the arm on the side where she had the surgery.

> >

> > Thanks.

> >

> >

>

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>

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Why would acupuncture cause it to grow? Isn't cancer

caused by a weak immune system. Acupuncture should

help strengthen your immune system, there help fight

cancer, not cause it.

 

 

--- Hugo Ramiro <subincor wrote:

 

> Sory to not actually be answering your question and

> just throwing another one of mine into the fray: can

> anyone give me some pointers on what to tell

> patients

> who have heard from their oncologist that

> acupuncture

> can spread cancer, cause it to grow, or plain old

> cause it?

>

> Hugo

>

> --- fynn_wu <Kalekainxx wrote:

>

> > I'm just curious what treatment methods you would

> > use for a patient who

> > had breast cancer and had a majority of her lymph

> > nodes removed. After

> > chemo and surgery, there are no signs of the

> cancer

> > left. But due to

> > the removal of the lymph nodes, the patient is

> > experience swelling of

> > the arm on the side where she had the surgery.

> >

> > Thanks.

> >

> >

>

>

> Send instant messages to your online friends

> http://uk.messenger.

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[Guest guest]

Thanks Z'ev.

I first heard re acu/cancer through a couple of MD

acupuncturists from eastern europe. They expressed

" fears " that acupuncture could " activate " something

and blah blah. I didn't take them too seriously

because they were hobbyists as far as acupuncture was

concerned, and they were never able to answer clearly

on the topic. But it left me with enough doubt that I

hesitate to answer authoritatively when questioned on

the subject. Because, you know, it all sounds so

reasonable.

I'm glad to hear that there are no studies showing

any such thing.

Hugo

 

--- <zrosenbe wrote:

 

> That is nothing but slander, with no proof

> whatsoever. . .when ever I

> hear such stories, ironically often from oncologists

> through

> patients, I just state the facts. There are no

> studies that prove

> such fallacies,

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Hugo,

The issue of treating cancer patients raises many complex

questions from all sides, from the biomedical and Chinese medical

viewpoints. Many physicians are colored by fears connected with such

things as 'estrogen-dependent' and 'testosterone-dependent' tumors.

Just today, a huge study was published in the U.S., front page news,

that breast cancer rates declined 15% in the year after the

connection with HRT and breast cancer was revealed, as millions of

women abandoned hormone replacement therapy. So sometimes these

concerns are superimposed on other modalities, such as acupuncture

and herbal medicine.

 

Chinese medicine works from a different theoretical foundation,

and therefore draws different conclusions. From the Chinese medical

point of view, treatment of cancer is largely based on strengthening

the correct qi in order to overcome evil qi. Since acupuncture/moxa

is designed to strengthen the correct qi and relieve qi depression,

it seems unlikely within our world view that acupuncture would spread

cancer. I've never heard of anyone experiencing such a clinical

outcome in our field. . .perhaps needling directly into acupuncture

tumors would have negative results!! There are Tibetan techniques

of applying moxabustion directly over cancerous areas as well.

 

Studies should be done perhaps, to see the efficacy of

acupuncture/moxabustion in aiding cancer patients. Until then, there

is not enough detrimental evidence to suggest not treating cancer

patients. If it were said that, " well, we don't know, better to be

cautious " , there are a whole slew of foods, activities, and

biomedical treatments that should be avoided as well. Perhaps we

should tell people not to eat grapefruit, get x-rays, or play golf,

because of the pesticide residues at golf courses. Same thing to me.

 

 

On Dec 15, 2006, at 12:12 PM, Hugo Ramiro wrote:

 

> But it left me with enough doubt that I

> hesitate to answer authoritatively when questioned on

> the subject. Because, you know, it all sounds so

> reasonable.