Guest guest Posted December 13, 2006 Report Share Posted December 13, 2006 Dear friends, teachers and colleagues, For those of you not aware, there is an organized grassroots effort underway to organize and lobby the establishment of our own self regulating agency. For those enlightened souls who are at the forefront of this effort, thank you and forgive my redundancy. But for others like myself, who until yesterday only dreamed of such an idea but never thought anything would come of it until the distant future, check out the website and get involved: www.traditionalmedicinescongress.com Yehuda http://traditionaljewishmedicine.com/ Any questions? Get answers on any topic at Answers. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2006 Report Share Posted December 15, 2006 Hi Yehuda...there's some interesting messages int he message forum at the site you refer to. I've copied a small sections... A: " I want to congratulate the AHG (American Herbalist's Guild) for dropping out of the TMC. [...] I applaud many of the efforts that AHPA, and others, have championed regarding herbs and natural products. However, I believe the TMC is misguided and will unleash a storm, as similar regulation has done already abroad. Because the TMC's potential impact was huge, I had to speak up, and will continue to do so. The regulatory model that was created felt wrong in nearly every way. That it had been crafted outside of the public eye felt wrong. That it was being fast-tracked felt wrong. " B: " I oppose the TMC. I am a southwest herbal merchant and I make herbal products. I have done so for thirty years. The draft TMC does not represent me nor does it “protect me” or my work as it misleadingly suggests. It is a problematic and ambiguous document. It will benefit large corporations and greatly limit herbal diversity. " Well, there's always two sides, eh? --- wrote: > Dear friends, teachers and colleagues, > > For those of you not aware, there is an organized > grassroots effort underway to organize and lobby the > establishment of our own self regulating agency. > For those enlightened souls who are at the forefront > of this effort, thank you and forgive my redundancy. > But for others like myself, who until yesterday > only dreamed of such an idea but never thought > anything would come of it until the distant future, > check out the website and get involved: > www.traditionalmedicinescongress.com > > Yehuda > > > > > http://traditionaljewishmedicine.com/ > > > > Any questions? Get answers on any topic at > Answers. Try it now. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > _________ Photos – NEW, now offering a quality print service from just 7p a photo http://uk.photos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 15, 2006 Report Share Posted December 15, 2006 I'll tell you, Hugo, It's a problem lumping us together with the folks selling and using western herbs. The impression I have is that their agenda is to make available via health food stores and on-line Western herbs, allopathically treating diseases with herbs, and taking a libertarian approach, of anything goes. Just like you can buy anything you want in Mexico or China (with the understanding that if you are stupid enough to self-medicate yourself, then go for it), alot of Western herbal suppliers take the same approach. However, I must qualify that there is another side. It was presented in an article in either this month's or last month's Acupuncture today by Craig Williams presenting the other side: that indeed the roots of American herbalogy as represented by King's dispensory and Edwin Shook a century ago, and by Michael Moore today, strongly parallel the approach of Chinese medicine, treating the root as well as the symptom, and with sophisticated formulations as well. I think that Michael Tierra also takes a similar approach. It's a very important issue for our future, we need to know who to ally ourselves with and be very clear on the direction we take, otherwise, as we've spoken of in the past, the AMA, along with their stooges in the FDA and the DEA will continue to undermine our ability to practice effectively. Remember, they're still trying to outlaw Chen Pi and Zhi Shi! (Better hide your oranges and tangerines, you never know whose reading this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) With tongue firmly planted in cheek (at least for now!) Yehuda Hugo Ramiro <subincor wrote: Hi Yehuda...there's some interesting messages int he message forum at the site you refer to. I've copied a small sections... A: " I want to congratulate the AHG (American Herbalist's Guild) for dropping out of the TMC. [...] I applaud many of the efforts that AHPA, and others, have championed regarding herbs and natural products. However, I believe the TMC is misguided and will unleash a storm, as similar regulation has done already abroad. Because the TMC's potential impact was huge, I had to speak up, and will continue to do so. The regulatory model that was created felt wrong in nearly every way. That it had been crafted outside of the public eye felt wrong. That it was being fast-tracked felt wrong. " B: " I oppose the TMC. I am a southwest herbal merchant and I make herbal products. I have done so for thirty years. The draft TMC does not represent me nor does it “protect me” or my work as it misleadingly suggests. It is a problematic and ambiguous document. It will benefit large corporations and greatly limit herbal diversity. " Well, there's always two sides, eh? --- wrote: > Dear friends, teachers and colleagues, > > For those of you not aware, there is an organized > grassroots effort underway to organize and lobby the > establishment of our own self regulating agency. > For those enlightened souls who are at the forefront > of this effort, thank you and forgive my redundancy. > But for others like myself, who until yesterday > only dreamed of such an idea but never thought > anything would come of it until the distant future, > check out the website and get involved: > www.traditionalmedicinescongress.com > > Yehuda > > > > > http://traditionaljewishmedicine.com/ > > > > Any questions? Get answers on any topic at > Answers. Try it now. > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > ________ Photos – NEW, now offering a quality print service from just 7p a photo http://uk.photos. http://traditionaljewishmedicine.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 17, 2006 Report Share Posted December 17, 2006 Hi Hugo and Yehuda, I, too, am preparing to voice a similar objection as those listed below, but more comprehensive. I've worked in the herbal industry since 1991, and I sense that the opinions expressed in objection to the TMC guidelines are thus far too mild. The guidelines, in my opinion, do not protect the medical arts, a great part of which is the formulation and application of herbal ingredients. Please read the verbiage to see for yourself. To be legally limited to " someone's " interpretation of traditional formulas and their modifications based on traditional indications would necessarily exclude modern research formulas in use at many hospitals in China, Taiwan and Japan. It would also exclude highly intuitive and insightful leaps of applications by many practitioners of merit. I don't want to specifically name examples here, but I sense that many American companies and even some members of this list would have their products removed from use based on these protocols. I believe that the TMC protocols closes the door on many small companies that I know of serving American practioners, and it opens to the doors to large corporate players. You can actually read a bit of a similar history in Michael Pollan's book (Omnivore's Dilemma) of how organic farming became Big Organic ... as the corporate enterprise that it is today. Big pharmaceutical companies will have a role to play in the future of Chinese medicine, but elimination of the small players and codification of the structure of practice may not have all of the intended or hoped for results. Please read the protocols at http://www.traditionalmedicinescongress.com/proposal. In my opinion from attending various interfaces between the U.S. FDA and AHPA, there is a political dynamic that has been powerfully driving this since the late 1990s that has little to do with Chinese medicine or traditional medicines in general. Read the protocols. In my humble opinion, the onus of this will initially be on manufacturers and then not so gradually (rather rapidly) on your own scope of practice. So please read the proposal, think about it, discuss it and make your opinions known. The profession belongs to you. Respectfully and gratefully, Emmanuel Segmen Chinese Medicine , Hugo Ramiro <subincor wrote: > > Hi Yehuda...there's some interesting messages int he > message forum at the site you refer to. I've copied a > small sections... > A: > " I want to congratulate the AHG (American Herbalist's > Guild) for dropping out of the TMC. [...] > I applaud many of the efforts that AHPA, and others, > have championed regarding herbs and natural products. > However, I believe the TMC is misguided and will > unleash a storm, as similar regulation has done > already abroad. Because the TMC's potential impact was > huge, I had to speak up, and will continue to do so. > The regulatory model that was created felt wrong in > nearly every way. That it had been crafted outside of > the public eye felt wrong. That it was being > fast-tracked felt wrong. " > > B: > " I oppose the TMC. I am a southwest herbal merchant > and I make herbal products. I have done so for thirty > years. The draft TMC does not represent me nor does it > " protect me " or my work as it misleadingly suggests. > It is a problematic and ambiguous document. It will > benefit large corporations and greatly limit herbal > diversity. " > > Well, there's always two sides, eh? > > --- wrote: > > > Dear friends, teachers and colleagues, > > > > For those of you not aware, there is an organized > > grassroots effort underway to organize and lobby the > > establishment of our own self regulating agency. > > For those enlightened souls who are at the forefront > > of this effort, thank you and forgive my redundancy. > > But for others like myself, who until yesterday > > only dreamed of such an idea but never thought > > anything would come of it until the distant future, > > check out the website and get involved: > > www.traditionalmedicinescongress.com > > > > Yehuda > > > > > > > > > > http://traditionaljewishmedicine.com/ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 23, 2006 Report Share Posted December 23, 2006 On Wednesday 13 December 2006 05:13, yehuda frischman wrote: > www.traditionalmedicinescongress.com Hi Yehuda! I wonder about the appropriateness of the two links at the bottom of the draft: " bungie jumping " and " funny " which, when followed seem to lead to a copy of the same material. These seem to trivialize an otherwise serious effort, but of course that's just my opinion. If I saw something like that on anything I had posted I would think a hacker had gotten to the site. -- Regards, Pete http://www.pete-theisen.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2006 Report Share Posted December 26, 2006 Hi Pete, I have no idea what you are talking about, and the links you refer to certainly were't generated by me! Can you enlighten me as to what you mean? Yehuda Pete Theisen <petetheisen wrote: On Wednesday 13 December 2006 05:13, yehuda frischman wrote: > www.traditionalmedicinescongress.com Hi Yehuda! I wonder about the appropriateness of the two links at the bottom of the draft: " bungie jumping " and " funny " which, when followed seem to lead to a copy of the same material. These seem to trivialize an otherwise serious effort, but of course that's just my opinion. If I saw something like that on anything I had posted I would think a hacker had gotten to the site. -- Regards, Pete http://www.pete-theisen.com/ http://traditionaljewishmedicine.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 26, 2006 Report Share Posted December 26, 2006 On Tuesday 26 December 2006 04:07, yehuda frischman wrote: > Hi Pete, > > I have no idea what you are talking about, and the links you refer to > certainly were't generated by me! Can you enlighten me as to what you > mean? Hi Yehuda! http://www.traditionalmedicinescongress.com/proposal Scroll down to the bottom and there are the two links. Click them and see. > Hi Yehuda! > > I wonder about the appropriateness of the two links at the bottom of the > draft: " bungie jumping " and " funny " which, when followed seem to lead to a > copy of the same material. -- Regards, Pete http://www.pete-theisen.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 27, 2006 Report Share Posted December 27, 2006 I never saw these. Probably spam. Thanks for bringing it to my attention. Yehuda Pete Theisen <petetheisen wrote: On Tuesday 26 December 2006 04:07, yehuda frischman wrote: > Hi Pete, > > I have no idea what you are talking about, and the links you refer to > certainly were't generated by me! Can you enlighten me as to what you > mean? Hi Yehuda! http://www.traditionalmedicinescongress.com/proposal Scroll down to the bottom and there are the two links. Click them and see. > Hi Yehuda! > > I wonder about the appropriateness of the two links at the bottom of the > draft: " bungie jumping " and " funny " which, when followed seem to lead to a > copy of the same material. -- Regards, Pete http://www.pete-theisen.com/ http://traditionaljewishmedicine.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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