Guest guest Posted December 6, 2006 Report Share Posted December 6, 2006 Dear Friends, colleagues, and teachers, If I may add my reflections to others that have been expressed in this interesting discussion. I am not a scholar in Chinese literature, but rather a student in awe of the wonders of the body, a licensed acupuncturist and a craniosacral therapist. From my perspective, I see Chinese medical diagnosis and practice, be it acupuncture, herbs, diet, tuina or qi gong as invaluable tools able to monitor and treat the constantly changing dance of the patient. The picture the patient presented last week, gives us a direction from where to view today, but must never be used as an exclusive guide to treating today. The amazingly complex and numerous stimuli that occur from moment to moment all affect to some degree where the patient " is " at this given moment. Much of the " noise " of stimuli we are exposed to, we are able to discriminate and deal with. Those who can't are labeled as having ADD. Yet, it is my firm conviction that this comes from sensory overload, from too many unbearable experiences in life, each person having their own threshold. John Upledger talks about the concept of " tissue memory " : That the tissue of the body remembers what happens to it, and encapsulates as " energy cysts " physical and emotional trauma and illness that it is not able to slough off or release. I apply this principle to my practice. I believe that when we treat a patient, and there is a significant change that is facilitated by our treatment, it should be considered potentially as if a layer of dysfunction (or an energy cyst) has been released. Underneath that layer may be many (even hundreds) of other layers, but they cannot be accessed unless the top layer is released, like a chamber of a dark cave opened up. The release may be accompanied by a deep sigh, a shiver, a temperature change, a tremor, even a fit of laughing, screaming, shaking or a seizure (I have seen and experienced all of the above with patients), but once it's released, it's gone forever, the patient has effectively moved the clock backwards, and becomes aware of his/her existance before this now released trauma/illness. Upledger brings the analogy of a videotape, a piece of plastic " remembering " a piece of music, or even a movie. How much more powerful and brilliant is the body's ability to remember and playback! So rather than look at the released trauma resulting from a treatment as a " healing crisis " , IMHO, we need to be aware of the process transpiring. This is where Chinese medicine can be so helpful. For with a new dynamic, obviously will come changes in pulses and tongue. By treating the " new " status quo we are treating the previously untreated illness, helping to release the next layer. Ted Kapchuck tells us that in Chinese medicine, we are taught to think differently, to address function rather than define structure, to be aware of our ever changing terrain. I would posit that perhaps this is the reason why this concept is not discussed at length by the ancients: Their emphasis was taking the journey rather than freezing and analyzing the moment, the snapshot. Respectfully, Yehuda Frischman, L.Ac, CST, SER www.traditionaljewishmedicine.com <zrosenbe wrote: Dear Nadia, And thank you as well for your thoughtful discussion. My original response, of course, was based on my concern for what Thomas had mentioned about various teachers and authors of Chinese medical textbooks; including " The Law of Cure " as a bona fide part of Chinese medical theory. This is clearly not the case. On Dec 5, 2006, at 5:15 PM, clothoatropos wrote: > Z'ev, > > Interesting response - Thank you. I admit that my example is not > taken from clinical experience (hence the remote chance of > encountering it as you mention) but merely meant as an illustration. > Your point is well-taken however. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 6, 2006 Report Share Posted December 6, 2006 Beautiful discussion, Yehuda. I have been reading these posts (but of course can't remember all the details at this point). I will throw in my two cents. I am Worsley-school trained and yes we do look for law of cure or healing crisis with some of our intial clearings.(Lonnie Jarret is the only one I have seen write that down for any public reading) I have had patients report feeling bad for two days and then feeling great. It can manifest many ways - diarreah, headache, flu feeling. Something is moving out of the body. I have seen pains move in the body and eventually out. Somebody said, it may be what we experience is what we are looking for. I believe that is true. The beautiful and important piece is that the patient is throwing off layers that are limiting them emotionally or physically. Whether that is orginating from Chinese medicine, homeopathy, or Upledgers work, it is all helping. Anne -------------- Original message ---------------------- > Dear Friends, colleagues, and teachers, > > If I may add my reflections to others that have been expressed in this > interesting discussion. I am not a scholar in Chinese literature, but rather a > student in awe of the wonders of the body, a licensed acupuncturist and a > craniosacral therapist. From my perspective, I see Chinese medical diagnosis > and practice, be it acupuncture, herbs, diet, tuina or qi gong as invaluable > tools able to monitor and treat the constantly changing dance of the patient. > The picture the patient presented last week, gives us a direction from where to > view today, but must never be used as an exclusive guide to treating today. The > amazingly complex and numerous stimuli that occur from moment to moment all > affect to some degree where the patient " is " at this given moment. Much of the > " noise " of stimuli we are exposed to, we are able to discriminate and deal with. > Those who can't are labeled as having ADD. Yet, it is my firm conviction that > this comes from sensory overload, from too many > unbearable experiences in life, each person having their own threshold. John > Upledger talks about the concept of " tissue memory " : That the tissue of the body > remembers what happens to it, and encapsulates as " energy cysts " physical and > emotional trauma and illness that it is not able to slough off or release. I > apply this principle to my practice. I believe that when we treat a patient, > and there is a significant change that is facilitated by our treatment, it > should be considered potentially as if a layer of dysfunction (or an energy > cyst) has been released. Underneath that layer may be many (even hundreds) of > other layers, but they cannot be accessed unless the top layer is released, like > a chamber of a dark cave opened up. The release may be accompanied by a deep > sigh, a shiver, a temperature change, a tremor, even a fit of laughing, > screaming, shaking or a seizure (I have seen and experienced all of the above > with patients), but once it's released, it's gone > forever, the patient has effectively moved the clock backwards, and becomes > aware of his/her existance before this now released trauma/illness. Upledger > brings the analogy of a videotape, a piece of plastic " remembering " a piece of > music, or even a movie. How much more powerful and brilliant is the body's > ability to remember and playback! So rather than look at the released trauma > resulting from a treatment as a " healing crisis " , IMHO, we need to be aware of > the process transpiring. This is where Chinese medicine can be so helpful. For > with a new dynamic, obviously will come changes in pulses and tongue. By > treating the " new " status quo we are treating the previously untreated illness, > helping to release the next layer. Ted Kapchuck tells us that in Chinese > medicine, we are taught to think differently, to address function rather than > define structure, to be aware of our ever changing terrain. I would posit that > perhaps this is the reason why this concept is not > discussed at length by the ancients: Their emphasis was taking the journey > rather than freezing and analyzing the moment, the snapshot. > > Respectfully, > > Yehuda Frischman, L.Ac, CST, SER > www.traditionaljewishmedicine.com > > > <zrosenbe wrote: > Dear Nadia, > And thank you as well for your thoughtful discussion. My > original response, of course, was based on my concern for what Thomas > had mentioned about various teachers and authors of Chinese medical > textbooks; including " The Law of Cure " as a bona fide part of > Chinese medical theory. This is clearly not the case. > > > > On Dec 5, 2006, at 5:15 PM, clothoatropos wrote: > > > Z'ev, > > > > Interesting response - Thank you. I admit that my example is not > > taken from clinical experience (hence the remote chance of > > encountering it as you mention) but merely meant as an illustration. > > Your point is well-taken however. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 7, 2006 Report Share Posted December 7, 2006 Hello all, I have two cents! With apologies for my rudeness (this is actually all a criticism directed at myself), and hoping that I don't get too sophisticated, I'd like to bolster the idea that, within its scope of practice, there is enough in already, and that we should be wary of adding or re-interpreting CM through less-experienced eyes. I've written a recap of the actual meaning of " sophistication " , in contrast to the popular use of the word, and, at the end, a note on chinese medicine in three acts. Thank you for your indulgence! soph·ism (s & #335;f' & #301;z' & #601;m) pronunciation n. 1. A plausible but fallacious argument. 2. Deceptive or fallacious argumentation. sophistry noun 1. Plausible but invalid reasoning 2. Deceptively subtle reasoning or argumentation; an argument used to deceive sophistry n. The controversial method of an opponent, distinguished from one's own by superior insincerity and fooling. This method is that of the later Sophists, a Grecian sect of philosophers who began by teaching wisdom, prudence, science, art and, in brief, whatever men ought to know, but lost themselves in a maze of quibbles and a fog of words. So·phis·ti·ca·tion n. [Cf. LL. sophisticatio, F. sophistication.] The act of sophisticating; adulteration; as, the sophistication of drugs. ACT I It is possible, through: 1. careful study of reputable sources 2. devoted attention to an accomplished teacher 3. concerted meditation on and contemplation of the methods, principles and clinical realities of Chinese Medicine, to discover a wealth of unbelievably subtle and ever-deeper insights regarding our human condition. ACT II I would therefore suggest that, before we are seduced by modern " breakthroughs " such as the idea of " tissue memory " , " energetic cysts " and, by g-d, the " Mind-Body " , we should take a few moments to consider our " simple-minded " Chinese Medical theory. In this case, one of the initial statements from which so many others progress: Where there is free-flow, there is no disease. Where there is lack of free-flow, disease will appear. In my opinion, the above statements are an unsophisticated description of the topic at hand, and in my view are a deeper, wiser, genuinely intelligent and more supple explication of this thing which I, being the sophisticate I am, would prefer to call the " Tissue Memory " and the " Healing Crisis " . ACT III I hope that so far I have not created a very bad word-fog. The final toot on my horn has to do with long-term effects, or what some have called " Big Way Medicine " (Da Dao Yi). This type of medicine is the one that is least interested in band-aids and such, and looks forward the most. It is interesting to me that half of a " Healing Crisis " is " Crisis " . While it is sometimes necessary and at times unavoidable, as CM practitioners we should be wary of creating or enabling crisis. A crisis is like a rebellion or revolution - both highly unstable, dangerous situations. As we learn in CM, slow change is stable or safe, and rapid change is unstable or unsafe. Needing to create a rapid change, or crisis, is in itself a symptom of an underlying problem, which might be characterised as the problem of not looking forward. Again, it is sometimes necessary, but we may want to avoid taking a " Healing Crisis " as a matter-of-course. If we are, or perhaps aim to be, great doctors, we might develop enough foresight that we might gently nudge now, rather than wait for the " zero-hour " emergency later. Thanks, hope that's of service, Hugo Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 8, 2006 Report Share Posted December 8, 2006 On Wednesday 06 December 2006 05:26, yehuda frischman wrote: <snip> > Yet, it is my firm conviction that this comes from sensory overload, from too many unbearable experiences in life, Hi Yehuda! Very insightful. Do you mind if I quote you? With proper credit, of course. -- Regards, Pete http://www.pete-theisen.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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