Guest guest Posted November 27, 2006 Report Share Posted November 27, 2006 Awhile back I posted a question about Gan Mei Gen and received some wonderful answers. I am now interested in the herb Huang jing cao/gen (Vitex Negundo). It is also in Gan Mao Ling, but seems to be unavailable in the United States. Does anyone know more about this herb's functions and characteristics so that I can find an effective substitute for it? (If anyone knows of a source in the US, that would be good as well). Many thanks David Toone MSOM Candidate AIMC -- Berkeley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2006 Report Share Posted November 28, 2006 Hi David, & All, > I am now interested in the herb Huang jing cao/gen (Vitex Negundo). > It is also in Gan Mao Ling, but seems to be unavailable in the United > States. Does anyone know more about this herb's functions and > characteristics so that I can find an effective substitute for it? See http://tinyurl.com/y4o4cr for vitex-negundo OR Chastetree OR chaste- tree OR Huangjingcao OR Huang-jing-cao OR " " See http://tinyurl.com/vg2ym for vitex-root OR huangjinggen OR huang-jing- gen OR " " See http://tinyurl.com/y6pkyj for Ganmaoling OR " gan mao ling " OR " " Please post a summary of the data when you shall have assembled it! Best regards, From Jake Frakin's data: GANMAOLING TABLETS United Pharmaceutical Manufactory; Guangzhou gan mao ling pian ¡°Common Cold Effective-Remedy Tablets¡± Packing & Dosage: Bottles of 36 / 100 tablets. Take 5 to 6 tablets, every 3 hours as needed. Ilex Gang Mei Gen 34.3 % DD Evodia San Cha Ku 21.7 DD Vitex Huang Jing Cao 13.0 BB Chrysanthemum Ju Hua 13.0 BB Isatis Ban Lan Gen 13.0 DD Lonicera Jin Yin Hua 4.8 DD Mentha Bo He Nao 0.01 BB Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2006 Report Share Posted November 28, 2006 David, I was just having a conversation with students yesterday about this very topic. In fact i said that i was not willing to use Gan Mao because i just didn't know the individual herbs, and therefore will not simply throw it at my patients. I wrote to Mayway this morning to ask for information, when they write me back i will post their response. Regards, Tymothy Chinese Medicine , David Toone <david wrote: > > Awhile back I posted a question about Gan Mei Gen and received some > wonderful answers. I am now interested in the herb Huang jing cao/gen > (Vitex Negundo). It is also in Gan Mao Ling, but seems to be > unavailable in the United States. Does anyone know more about this > herb's functions and characteristics so that I can find an effective > substitute for it? > > (If anyone knows of a source in the US, that would be good as well). > > Many thanks > > David Toone > MSOM Candidate AIMC -- Berkeley > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2006 Report Share Posted November 28, 2006 Mayway's Gan Mao Ling: Ingredients: Ilex asprella root, Evodia lepta root & leaf, Chrysanthemum indicum flower, Vitex negundo herb & root, Isatis indigotica root, Lonicera japonica flower. - Gang mei gen, San cha ku, Ye ju hua, Huang jing cao/gen, Ban lan gen, Jin yin hua. On Tue, 28 Nov 2006 13:56:05 -0500, miracles28 <jellyphish wrote: > David, > I was just having a conversation with students yesterday about this > very topic. In fact i said that i was not willing to use Gan Mao > because i just didn't know the individual herbs, and therefore will > not simply throw it at my patients. > I wrote to Mayway this morning to ask for information, when they write > me back i will post their response. > Regards, Tymothy > > Chinese Medicine , David Toone > <david wrote: >> >> Awhile back I posted a question about Gan Mei Gen and received some >> wonderful answers. I am now interested in the herb Huang jing cao/gen >> (Vitex Negundo). It is also in Gan Mao Ling, but seems to be >> unavailable in the United States. Does anyone know more about this >> herb's functions and characteristics so that I can find an effective >> substitute for it? >> >> (If anyone knows of a source in the US, that would be good as well). >> >> Many thanks >> >> David Toone >> MSOM Candidate AIMC -- Berkeley >> >> >> >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2006 Report Share Posted November 28, 2006 Tymothy, I agree. This is one of the reasons that I started making my own in a concentrated extract form. I made one batch sans the Huang Jing Cao and Gen. I know that this doesn't necessarily mean anything, but a search in English revealed this: Vitex Herb Huang Jing Cao Disperses Wind-Heat, Cools Lung Heat www.drshen.com/ganmaoling.htm Huang jing cao (Vitex negundo herb) - moistens lungs, aids digestion Huang jing gen (Vitex negundo root) - moistens lungs, aids digestion http://store.agoodvitamin.com/plflbrganmao.html (this refers to Mayway's product. However, on Mayway's website, they make no mention of functions for any of the herbs in Gan Mao. In Chinese, this seemed useful. I don't yet read Chinese, so much of this was lost on me: http://www.100md.com/Html/Dir0/16/75/49.htm The translation is found here: http://tinyurl.com/yfp3n5 A translation on my Apple using the www.systransoft.com engine provided this: For Verbenaceae plant negundo chaste tree's root. [ Effect ]: The solution table, dispels the rheumatism, regulates the flow of vital energy stops pain, 截疟, drives the insect. [ Mainly treats ]: Treats the cold, coughing and gasping, the rheumatism, the gastric disease, 痧 is mad the abdominal pain, the malaria, pinworm defect. Any help with the translation from someone who really reads Chinese would be very helpful. Many thanks for the helpful posts. David On Nov 28, 2006, at 10:56 AM, miracles28 wrote: > David, > I was just having a conversation with students yesterday about this > very topic. In fact i said that i was not willing to use Gan Mao > because i just didn't know the individual herbs, and therefore will > not simply throw it at my patients. > I wrote to Mayway this morning to ask for information, when they write > me back i will post their response. > Regards, Tymothy > > Chinese Medicine , David Toone > <david wrote: > > > > Awhile back I posted a question about Gan Mei Gen and received some > > wonderful answers. I am now interested in the herb Huang jing cao/ > gen > > (Vitex Negundo). It is also in Gan Mao Ling, but seems to be > > unavailable in the United States. Does anyone know more about this > > herb's functions and characteristics so that I can find an effective > > substitute for it? > > > > (If anyone knows of a source in the US, that would be good as well). > > > > Many thanks > > > > David Toone > > MSOM Candidate AIMC -- Berkeley > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2006 Report Share Posted November 28, 2006 Hi group, please read the Mayway newsletter, which has a spotlight on the herbs you're interested in... http://www.mayway.com/store/newsletters/MaywayMailer-Vol4-2.pdf On 11/28/06, Dr. Avery Jenkins <docaltmed wrote: > > Mayway's Gan Mao Ling: > > Ingredients: > Ilex asprella root, Evodia lepta root & leaf, Chrysanthemum indicum > flower, Vitex negundo herb & root, Isatis indigotica root, Lonicera > japonica flower. - Gang mei gen, San cha ku, Ye ju hua, Huang jing > cao/gen, Ban lan gen, Jin yin hua. > > > > > On Tue, 28 Nov 2006 13:56:05 -0500, miracles28 <jellyphish > wrote: > > > David, > > I was just having a conversation with students yesterday about this > > very topic. In fact i said that i was not willing to use Gan Mao > > because i just didn't know the individual herbs, and therefore will > > not simply throw it at my patients. > > I wrote to Mayway this morning to ask for information, when they write > > me back i will post their response. > > Regards, Tymothy > > > > Chinese Medicine , David Toone > > <david wrote: > >> > >> Awhile back I posted a question about Gan Mei Gen and received some > >> wonderful answers. I am now interested in the herb Huang jing cao/gen > >> (Vitex Negundo). It is also in Gan Mao Ling, but seems to be > >> unavailable in the United States. Does anyone know more about this > >> herb's functions and characteristics so that I can find an effective > >> substitute for it? > >> > >> (If anyone knows of a source in the US, that would be good as well). > >> > >> Many thanks > >> > >> David Toone > >> MSOM Candidate AIMC -- Berkeley > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2006 Report Share Posted November 29, 2006 Hi all, Huang-Jing (Ping) cao/gen/zi In Ayurvedic medicine, this is considered one of the most important anti-inflammatory herbs. It is known as nirgundi: http://www.botanical.com/site/column_poudhia/115_nirgundi.html In Hong-Yen Hsu's Oriental Materia Medica, a concise guide, page 820-821 Huang-Jing zi (fruit) appeared first in the Ben Cao Gang mu Family: Verbenaceae Pungent, bitter, warm Actions: Dispels wind, resolves phlegm, promotes the flow of qi, controls pain. Applications: Common cold, cough, asthma, arthralgia due to wind, malaria, hernia, hemorrhoids Bio-pharmacology: Broncho-dilating effect, anti-bacterial effect Vitex Negundo is often used as an adulterant form of Man Jing zi, which is of the same genus, different species. (pg 63 Bensky Materia Medica 3rd ed) Man Jing zi: Vitis trifolia (pg. 61) Vitex negundo is the eastern counterpart of Vitex agnus-casta (chasteberry tree-plant) from the west/ mediterranean. Clinical studies have been done on Vitex negundo for its effects on oxidative stress: http://medind.nic.in/ibi/t05/i1/ibit05i1p38.pdf Also, on its anti-inflammatory and analgesic activities: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & list_uids=1\ 2860308 & dopt=Abstract Histomorphological changes induced by Vitex negundo in albino rats: http://medind.nic.in/ibi/t04/i3/ibit04i3p176.pdf Here is one website's datasheet on Huang Jing cao/gen: http://www.ibiblio.org/pfaf/cgi-bin/arr_html?Vitex+negundo Thanks. K. On 11/28/06, David Toone <david wrote: > > Tymothy, > > I agree. This is one of the reasons that I started making my own in a > concentrated extract form. I made one batch sans the Huang Jing Cao > and Gen. I know that this doesn't necessarily mean anything, but a > search in English revealed this: > > Vitex Herb Huang Jing Cao > Disperses Wind-Heat, Cools Lung Heat > www.drshen.com/ganmaoling.htm > > Huang jing cao (Vitex negundo herb) - moistens lungs, aids digestion > Huang jing gen (Vitex negundo root) - moistens lungs, aids digestion > http://store.agoodvitamin.com/plflbrganmao.html > (this refers to Mayway's product. However, on Mayway's website, they > make no mention of functions for any of the herbs in Gan Mao. > > In Chinese, this seemed useful. I don't yet read Chinese, so much of > this was lost on me: > > http://www.100md.com/Html/Dir0/16/75/49.htm > > The translation is found here: > > http://tinyurl.com/yfp3n5 > > A translation on my Apple using the www.systransoft.com engine > provided this: > > For Verbenaceae plant negundo chaste tree's root. > > [ Effect ]: The solution table, dispels the rheumatism, > regulates the > flow of vital energy stops pain, ½Øű, drives the insect. > > [ Mainly treats ]: Treats the cold, coughing and gasping, the > rheumatism, the gastric disease, ðð is mad the abdominal pain, the > malaria, pinworm defect. > > Any help with the translation from someone who really reads Chinese > would be very helpful. > > Many thanks for the helpful posts. > > David > > On Nov 28, 2006, at 10:56 AM, miracles28 wrote: > > > David, > > I was just having a conversation with students yesterday about this > > very topic. In fact i said that i was not willing to use Gan Mao > > because i just didn't know the individual herbs, and therefore will > > not simply throw it at my patients. > > I wrote to Mayway this morning to ask for information, when they write > > me back i will post their response. > > Regards, Tymothy > > > > --- In Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\ ogroups.com>, > David Toone > > <david wrote: > > > > > > Awhile back I posted a question about Gan Mei Gen and received some > > > wonderful answers. I am now interested in the herb Huang jing cao/ > > gen > > > (Vitex Negundo). It is also in Gan Mao Ling, but seems to be > > > unavailable in the United States. Does anyone know more about this > > > herb's functions and characteristics so that I can find an effective > > > substitute for it? > > > > > > (If anyone knows of a source in the US, that would be good as well). > > > > > > Many thanks > > > > > > David Toone > > > MSOM Candidate AIMC -- Berkeley > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2006 Report Share Posted November 29, 2006 Kokko, I read the article when I was doing my research on Gang Mei Gen. It has nice descriptions of Gang Mei Gen and San Cha Ku, but unfortunately it doesn't give any info on Huang Jing, other than to mention its inclusion in the Gan Mao Ling formula. In addition, there is a very interesting article by Dr. Fratkin ( http://www.acupuncturetoday.com/archives2005/mar/03fratkin.html ) on Modern Antiviral Therapy with good descriptions of Gang Mei Gen and San Cha Ku's antiviral properties, but also no mention of Huang Jing. David On Nov 28, 2006, at 1:33 PM, wrote: > Hi group, > please read the Mayway newsletter, which has a spotlight on the > herbs you're > interested in... > > http://www.mayway.com/store/newsletters/MaywayMailer-Vol4-2.pdf > > On 11/28/06, Dr. Avery Jenkins <docaltmed wrote: > > > > Mayway's Gan Mao Ling: > > > > Ingredients: > > Ilex asprella root, Evodia lepta root & leaf, Chrysanthemum indicum > > flower, Vitex negundo herb & root, Isatis indigotica root, Lonicera > > japonica flower. - Gang mei gen, San cha ku, Ye ju hua, Huang jing > > cao/gen, Ban lan gen, Jin yin hua. > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, 28 Nov 2006 13:56:05 -0500, miracles28 > <jellyphish > > wrote: > > > > > David, > > > I was just having a conversation with students yesterday about > this > > > very topic. In fact i said that i was not willing to use Gan Mao > > > because i just didn't know the individual herbs, and therefore > will > > > not simply throw it at my patients. > > > I wrote to Mayway this morning to ask for information, when > they write > > > me back i will post their response. > > > Regards, Tymothy > > > > > > Chinese Medicine , David Toone > > > <david wrote: > > >> > > >> Awhile back I posted a question about Gan Mei Gen and received > some > > >> wonderful answers. I am now interested in the herb Huang jing > cao/gen > > >> (Vitex Negundo). It is also in Gan Mao Ling, but seems to be > > >> unavailable in the United States. Does anyone know more about > this > > >> herb's functions and characteristics so that I can find an > effective > > >> substitute for it? > > >> > > >> (If anyone knows of a source in the US, that would be good as > well). > > >> > > >> Many thanks > > >> > > >> David Toone > > >> MSOM Candidate AIMC -- Berkeley > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 2, 2006 Report Share Posted December 2, 2006 Hi Phil & all, For more info on Huang jing cao/gen, please use " LAGUNDI " to search (its local name in the Philippines.) Here's the doh address: _http://www.doh.gov.ph/cvhw/index.asp?cat_id=2 & topic_id=4_ (http://www.doh.gov.ph/cvhw/index.asp?cat_id=2 & topic_id=4) Hope this will give enough info. It's available in cough syrup and pills. A very good tea, even when taken alone. amy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 18, 2006 Report Share Posted December 18, 2006 David, I'm resending this letter. Hope it comes to your satisfaction. I've scoured through English references and the only hard-copied reference I've seen comes from Hong-Yen Hsu's materia medica... Otherwise, there are tomes of literature on the internet under " vitex negundo " . This website may be useful http://www.ibiblio.org/pfaf/cgi-bin/arr_html?Vitex+negundo Please read the content of the following letter... thanks, K. ---------- Forwarded message ---------- <johnkokko Nov 28, 2006 4:41 PM Re: Re: Huang jing cao/gen Chinese Medicine Hi all, Huang-Jing (Ping) cao/gen/zi In Ayurvedic medicine, this is considered one of the most important anti-inflammatory herbs. It is known as nirgundi: http://www.botanical.com/site/column_poudhia/115_nirgundi.html In Hong-Yen Hsu's Oriental Materia Medica, a concise guide, page 820-821 Huang-Jing zi (fruit) appeared first in the Ben Cao Gang mu Family: Verbenaceae Pungent, bitter, warm Actions: Dispels wind, resolves phlegm, promotes the flow of qi, controls pain. Applications: Common cold, cough, asthma, arthralgia due to wind, malaria, hernia, hemorrhoids Bio-pharmacology: Broncho-dilating effect, anti-bacterial effect Vitex Negundo is often used as an adulterant form of Man Jing zi, which is of the same genus, different species. (pg 63 Bensky Materia Medica 3rd ed) Man Jing zi: Vitis trifolia (pg. 61) Vitex negundo is the eastern counterpart of Vitex agnus-casta (chasteberry tree-plant) from the west/ mediterranean. Clinical studies have been done on Vitex negundo for its effects on oxidative stress: http://medind.nic.in/ibi/t05/i1/ibit05i1p38.pdf Also, on its anti-inflammatory and analgesic activities: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve & db=PubMed & list_uids=1\ 2860308 & dopt=Abstract Histomorphological changes induced by Vitex negundo in albino rats: http://medind.nic.in/ibi/t04/i3/ibit04i3p176.pdf Here is one website's datasheet on Huang Jing cao/gen: http://www.ibiblio.org/pfaf/cgi-bin/arr_html?Vitex+negundo Thanks. K. On 11/28/06, David Toone <david wrote: > > Tymothy, > > I agree. This is one of the reasons that I started making my own in a > concentrated extract form. I made one batch sans the Huang Jing Cao > and Gen. I know that this doesn't necessarily mean anything, but a > search in English revealed this: > > Vitex Herb Huang Jing Cao > Disperses Wind-Heat, Cools Lung Heat > www.drshen.com/ ganmaoling.htm > > Huang jing cao (Vitex negundo herb) - moistens lungs, aids digestion > Huang jing gen (Vitex negundo root) - moistens lungs, aids digestion > http://store.agoodvitamin.com/plflbrganmao.html > (this refers to Mayway's product. However, on Mayway's website, they > make no mention of functions for any of the herbs in Gan Mao. > > In Chinese, this seemed useful. I don't yet read Chinese, so much of > this was lost on me: > > http://www.100md.com/Html/Dir0/16/75/49.htm > > The translation is found here: > > http://tinyurl.com/yfp3n5 > > A translation on my Apple using the www.systransoft.com engine > provided this: > > For Verbenaceae plant negundo chaste tree's root. > > [ Effect ]: The solution table, dispels the rheumatism, > regulates the > flow of vital energy stops pain, ½Øű, drives the insect. > > [ Mainly treats ]: Treats the cold, coughing and gasping, the > rheumatism, the gastric disease, ðð is mad the abdominal pain, the > malaria, pinworm defect. > > Any help with the translation from someone who really reads Chinese > would be very helpful. > > Many thanks for the helpful posts. > > David > > On Nov 28, 2006, at 10:56 AM, miracles28 wrote: > > > David, > > I was just having a conversation with students yesterday about this > > very topic. In fact i said that i was not willing to use Gan Mao > > because i just didn't know the individual herbs, and therefore will > > not simply throw it at my patients. > > I wrote to Mayway this morning to ask for information, when they write > > me back i will post their response. > > Regards, Tymothy > > > > --- In Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\ ogroups.com>, > David Toone > > <david wrote: > > > > > > Awhile back I posted a question about Gan Mei Gen and received some > > > wonderful answers. I am now interested in the herb Huang jing cao/ > > gen > > > (Vitex Negundo). It is also in Gan Mao Ling, but seems to be > > > unavailable in the United States. Does anyone know more about this > > > herb's functions and characteristics so that I can find an effective > > > substitute for it? > > > > > > (If anyone knows of a source in the US, that would be good as well). > > > > > > Many thanks > > > > > > David Toone > > > MSOM Candidate AIMC -- Berkeley > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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