Guest guest Posted November 7, 2006 Report Share Posted November 7, 2006 Rudy from Sinecura told me the following: the people from KPC have assured him actually a small amount of the minerals, including shi gao, get dissolved in the decoction. The formulas are written thus so that the end-decoction has a suitable amount of dissolved minerals in it. That would mean that for decoctions you just add the mineral to the decoctions, in an appropriate dosage. For granules though, and I remember a question from about this some time ago, things are different. With granules, all the other ingredients except for the mineral substances, have been concentrated. So should we increase the dosage of the minerals when we compose a granule formula from scratch? KPC's answer was no: because the minerals are very finely ground when you buy them in their " granule " form, they believe that many more mineral particles will actually dissolve in the granule drink than with a normal decoction (where you just cook non-crushed minerals with the rest of the ingredients). So they say that there is no need to increase the dosage of the minerals when you write your own granule formula. I asked for references, but Rudy didn't know of any. Theoretically it makes sense. But I'm still not sure. Anyone else? Tom. Acupunctuurpraktijk Tom Verhaeghe Stationsplein 59 B-8770 Ingelmunster 051 699 005 tom.verhaeghe www.chinese-geneeskunde.be ---- Carl Henryk Wallmark 11/08/06 05:49:16 Chinese Medicine ; Deoction of Shi Gao Hi all! I have a somewhat stupid question...When cooking shi gao, I have always told patients to do this separately, and then add it to the already finished decoction, so that they drink the powder. I just read in Bensky that experiences in China shows that pre-cooking it lowers its effect. So adding it together with the rest of the herbs seems better.. Now for my question: When filtering the herbs, won't the powder be filtered away? Won't the effect of shi gao disappears? How do you all do? BR Carl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2006 Report Share Posted November 7, 2006 Hi all! I have a somewhat stupid question...When cooking shi gao, I have always told patients to do this separately, and then add it to the already finished decoction, so that they drink the powder. I just read in Bensky that experiences in China shows that pre-cooking it lowers its effect. So adding it together with the rest of the herbs seems better.. Now for my question: When filtering the herbs, won't the powder be filtered away? Won't the effect of shi gao disappears? How do you all do? BR Carl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 7, 2006 Report Share Posted November 7, 2006 I don't increase the dosage for minerals when using granules and get pretty good result. Mike L. Tom Verhaeghe <tom.verhaeghe wrote: Rudy from Sinecura told me the following: the people from KPC have assured him actually a small amount of the minerals, including shi gao, get dissolved in the decoction. The formulas are written thus so that the end-decoction has a suitable amount of dissolved minerals in it. That would mean that for decoctions you just add the mineral to the decoctions, in an appropriate dosage. For granules though, and I remember a question from about this some time ago, things are different. With granules, all the other ingredients except for the mineral substances, have been concentrated. So should we increase the dosage of the minerals when we compose a granule formula from scratch? KPC's answer was no: because the minerals are very finely ground when you buy them in their " granule " form, they believe that many more mineral particles will actually dissolve in the granule drink than with a normal decoction (where you just cook non-crushed minerals with the rest of the ingredients). So they say that there is no need to increase the dosage of the minerals when you write your own granule formula. I asked for references, but Rudy didn't know of any. Theoretically it makes sense. But I'm still not sure. Anyone else? Tom. Acupunctuurpraktijk Tom Verhaeghe Stationsplein 59 B-8770 Ingelmunster 051 699 005 tom.verhaeghe www.chinese-geneeskunde.be ---- Carl Henryk Wallmark 11/08/06 05:49:16 Chinese Medicine ; Deoction of Shi Gao Hi all! I have a somewhat stupid question...When cooking shi gao, I have always told patients to do this separately, and then add it to the already finished decoction, so that they drink the powder. I just read in Bensky that experiences in China shows that pre-cooking it lowers its effect. So adding it together with the rest of the herbs seems better.. Now for my question: When filtering the herbs, won't the powder be filtered away? Won't the effect of shi gao disappears? How do you all do? BR Carl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 Rudy from Sinecura told me the following: the people from KPC have assured him actually a small amount of the minerals, including shi gao, get dissolved in the decoction. The formulas are written thus so that the end-decoction has a suitable amount of dissolved minerals in it. That would mean that for decoctions you just add the mineral to the decoctions, in an appropriate dosage. For granules though, and I remember a question from about this some time ago, things are different. With granules, all the other ingredients except for the mineral substances, have been concentrated. So should we increase the dosage of the minerals when we compose a granule formula from scratch? KPC's answer was no: because the minerals are very finely ground when you buy them in their " granule " form, they believe that many more mineral particles will actually dissolve in the granule drink than with a normal decoction (where you just cook non-crushed minerals with the rest of the ingredients). So they say that there is no need to increase the dosage of the minerals when you write your own granule formula. I asked for references, but Rudy didn't know of any. Theoretically it makes sense. But I'm still not sure. Anyone else? Tom. Acupunctuurpraktijk Tom Verhaeghe Stationsplein 59 B-8770 Ingelmunster 051 699 005 tom.verhaeghe www.chinese-geneeskunde.be ---- Carl Henryk Wallmark 11/08/06 05:49:16 Chinese Medicine ; Deoction of Shi Gao Hi all! I have a somewhat stupid question...When cooking shi gao, I have always told patients to do this separately, and then add it to the already finished decoction, so that they drink the powder. I just read in Bensky that experiences in China shows that pre-cooking it lowers its effect. So adding it together with the rest of the herbs seems better.. Now for my question: When filtering the herbs, won't the powder be filtered away? Won't the effect of shi gao disappears? How do you all do? BR Carl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 I don't increase the dosage for minerals when using granules and get pretty good result. Mike L. Tom Verhaeghe <tom.verhaeghe wrote: Rudy from Sinecura told me the following: the people from KPC have assured him actually a small amount of the minerals, including shi gao, get dissolved in the decoction. The formulas are written thus so that the end-decoction has a suitable amount of dissolved minerals in it. That would mean that for decoctions you just add the mineral to the decoctions, in an appropriate dosage. For granules though, and I remember a question from about this some time ago, things are different. With granules, all the other ingredients except for the mineral substances, have been concentrated. So should we increase the dosage of the minerals when we compose a granule formula from scratch? KPC's answer was no: because the minerals are very finely ground when you buy them in their " granule " form, they believe that many more mineral particles will actually dissolve in the granule drink than with a normal decoction (where you just cook non-crushed minerals with the rest of the ingredients). So they say that there is no need to increase the dosage of the minerals when you write your own granule formula. I asked for references, but Rudy didn't know of any. Theoretically it makes sense. But I'm still not sure. Anyone else? Tom. Acupunctuurpraktijk Tom Verhaeghe Stationsplein 59 B-8770 Ingelmunster 051 699 005 tom.verhaeghe www.chinese-geneeskunde.be ---- Carl Henryk Wallmark 11/08/06 05:49:16 Chinese Medicine ; Deoction of Shi Gao Hi all! I have a somewhat stupid question...When cooking shi gao, I have always told patients to do this separately, and then add it to the already finished decoction, so that they drink the powder. I just read in Bensky that experiences in China shows that pre-cooking it lowers its effect. So adding it together with the rest of the herbs seems better.. Now for my question: When filtering the herbs, won't the powder be filtered away? Won't the effect of shi gao disappears? How do you all do? BR Carl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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