ashtanga and dysplasia

November 7, 2006

Hi everyone

Does anyone know if doing ashtanga yoga has any effects positive or

negative on cervical dysplasia? I am currently treating someone with

a " moderately severe " case (damp heat, Sp Qi xu, blood stasis) and

confirmed HPV with herbs and acupuncture and she is very interested in

diet and exercise adjunct treatment. She is vegan and has a vigorous

ashtanga practice and wonders if she should discontinue. She has been

told that ashtanga is a " hot " practice according to aurveda. Any

experience or information would be much appreciated.

Thanks, Shanna

November 8, 2006

Dear Shanna

I think, Ashtanga yoga too agressive and hot for your patient, especially with

Sp deficiency and D/H in body. It would much better if she takes the so called

Yin yoga classes or study by herself this practice according the book about Yin

yoga by Paul Grilley (there is a DVD also). It was designed specifically for

stretching and healing connective tissue like tendons, ligaments,cartilages and

so on. It is mild and more appropriate for cervical and lumbar problems.

yuri ovchinnikov

shannahickle

Chinese Medicine

Mon, 6 Nov 2006 8:21 PM

ashtanga and dysplasia

Hi everyone

Does anyone know if doing ashtanga yoga has any effects positive or

negative on cervical dysplasia? I am currently treating someone with

a " moderately severe " case (damp heat, Sp Qi xu, blood stasis) and

confirmed HPV with herbs and acupuncture and she is very interested in

diet and exercise adjunct treatment. She is vegan and has a vigorous

ashtanga practice and wonders if she should discontinue. She has been

told that ashtanga is a " hot " practice according to aurveda. Any

experience or information would be much appreciated.

Thanks, Shanna

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November 8, 2006

As a former practitioner, having been to India and

studied with Geeta Iyengar and B.K.S. Iyengar and

Patabi Jois I believe that Yoga is curative,

regardless of the style, intensity, or name brand.

Ashtanga is said to produce internal heat, but it is

allegorical, intended to represent the Kundalini (or

Qi, or Yang...call it what you want, which happens to

reside at the base of the spine where DU and REN exit

Dan Tian to the superficial meridian) awakening and

purifying the impure through the fire generated by the

breathing, moving up (and around the spine... DU and

REN??) through and awakening the chakras, eventually

reaching the brain and opening the crown chakra to the

.... etc... Doesn't matter the deficiency or excess,

Yoga is a method of bringing balance (Physical,

emotional, mental and spiritual). There is no one

more damp or hot of qi deficient as I was when I was

told I would hardly be able to walk and I still am,

twenty-four years later, in my late 50's walking and

more and about to start practicing Yoga again. Your

patient will only benefit from Yoga. Be happy for her

and encourage her, it is a long journey, and you/she

will get much more benefit from your therapy with her

Qi and Blood not stagnant and besides the acup. and

herbs, addressing her diet will go a long way.

David

--- ovchin wrote:

> Dear Shanna

>

> I think, Ashtanga yoga too agressive and hot for

> your patient, especially with Sp deficiency and D/H

> in body. It would much better if she takes the so

> called Yin yoga classes or study by herself this

> practice according the book about Yin yoga by Paul

> Grilley (there is a DVD also). It was designed

> specifically for stretching and healing connective

> tissue like tendons, ligaments,cartilages and so on.

> It is mild and more appropriate for cervical and

> lumbar problems.

>

> yuri ovchinnikov

>

> shannahickle

> Chinese Medicine

> Mon, 6 Nov 2006 8:21 PM

> ashtanga and dysplasia

>

> Hi everyone

>

> Does anyone know if doing ashtanga yoga has any

> effects positive or

> negative on cervical dysplasia? I am currently

> treating someone with

> a " moderately severe " case (damp heat, Sp Qi xu,

> blood stasis) and

> confirmed HPV with herbs and acupuncture and she is

> very interested in

> diet and exercise adjunct treatment. She is vegan

> and has a vigorous

> ashtanga practice and wonders if she should

> discontinue. She has been

> told that ashtanga is a " hot " practice according to

> aurveda. Any

> experience or information would be much appreciated.

>

> Thanks, Shanna

>

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November 11, 2006

As a personal trainer and tcm practitioner i always intake with

exercise, sometimes annoyingly so (oft get that face that says " hey

you are an acupuncturist why do you want to know WHICH exercises i

do!! " ). Yoga is wondeful, as complete a practice as you can find, but

ashtanga is not for the unitiated. This is a moderate to advanced

yoga, i agree with yuri that a more yin based yoga (and every yoga

studio/gym has them) is called for with this pt. Also she could

consider other forms such as feldenkrais which are very good as well.

The difficulty with more advanced forms of yoga is that injuries do

happen, but usually only to those who don't know what they are doing

due to lack of experience and a poor teacher, i have seen both in my

experience. Better to be conservative i would think.

Regards, Tymothy

Chinese Medicine , David Tarlo

<d1tarlo wrote:

>

> As a former practitioner, having been to India and

> studied with Geeta Iyengar and B.K.S. Iyengar and

> Patabi Jois I believe that Yoga is curative,

> regardless of the style, intensity, or name brand.

> Ashtanga is said to produce internal heat, but it is

> allegorical, intended to represent the Kundalini (or

> Qi, or Yang...call it what you want, which happens to

> reside at the base of the spine where DU and REN exit

> Dan Tian to the superficial meridian) awakening and

> purifying the impure through the fire generated by the

> breathing, moving up (and around the spine... DU and

> REN??) through and awakening the chakras, eventually

> reaching the brain and opening the crown chakra to the

> ... etc... Doesn't matter the deficiency or excess,

> Yoga is a method of bringing balance (Physical,

> emotional, mental and spiritual). There is no one

> more damp or hot of qi deficient as I was when I was

> told I would hardly be able to walk and I still am,

> twenty-four years later, in my late 50's walking and

> more and about to start practicing Yoga again. Your

> patient will only benefit from Yoga. Be happy for her

> and encourage her, it is a long journey, and you/she

> will get much more benefit from your therapy with her

> Qi and Blood not stagnant and besides the acup. and

> herbs, addressing her diet will go a long way.

> David

>

> --- ovchin wrote:

>

> > Dear Shanna

> >

> > I think, Ashtanga yoga too agressive and hot for

> > your patient, especially with Sp deficiency and D/H

> > in body. It would much better if she takes the so

> > called Yin yoga classes or study by herself this

> > practice according the book about Yin yoga by Paul

> > Grilley (there is a DVD also). It was designed

> > specifically for stretching and healing connective

> > tissue like tendons, ligaments,cartilages and so on.

> > It is mild and more appropriate for cervical and

> > lumbar problems.

> >

> > yuri ovchinnikov

> >

> > shannahickle

> > Chinese Medicine

> > Mon, 6 Nov 2006 8:21 PM

> > ashtanga and dysplasia

> >

> > Hi everyone

> >

> > Does anyone know if doing ashtanga yoga has any

> > effects positive or

> > negative on cervical dysplasia? I am currently

> > treating someone with

> > a " moderately severe " case (damp heat, Sp Qi xu,

> > blood stasis) and

> > confirmed HPV with herbs and acupuncture and she is

> > very interested in

> > diet and exercise adjunct treatment. She is vegan

> > and has a vigorous

> > ashtanga practice and wonders if she should

> > discontinue. She has been

> > told that ashtanga is a " hot " practice according to

> > aurveda. Any

> > experience or information would be much appreciated.

> >

> > Thanks, Shanna

> >

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November 12, 2006

Shanna,

Astanga Yoga is a great form of exercise and can be healing in many

ways but in your patient's case it may be necessary for her to lay

off for a while. In astanga yoga the yogi utilizes " bandhas " .

Bandhas are energy locks that are used to manipulate the flow of

prana or qi. When used they create a localized qi stagnation and

heat. The two primarily used bandhas are at ren 4 and ren 1 (or at

the cervix in women). I have known several astanga yogis with

digestive disorders, I believe that it may be from

unconsiously and habitually contracting those two bandhas. This is

something worth investigating with your patient. It may require a

conscious effort on her part to learn to let go of the bandhas.

Zach

Chinese Medicine , " miracles28 "

<jellyphish wrote:

>

> As a personal trainer and tcm practitioner i always intake with

> exercise, sometimes annoyingly so (oft get that face that says " hey

> you are an acupuncturist why do you want to know WHICH exercises i

> do!! " ). Yoga is wondeful, as complete a practice as you can find,

but

> ashtanga is not for the unitiated. This is a moderate to advanced

> yoga, i agree with yuri that a more yin based yoga (and every yoga

> studio/gym has them) is called for with this pt. Also she could

> consider other forms such as feldenkrais which are very good as

well.

> The difficulty with more advanced forms of yoga is that injuries do

> happen, but usually only to those who don't know what they are

doing

> due to lack of experience and a poor teacher, i have seen both in

my

> experience. Better to be conservative i would think.

> Regards, Tymothy

>

> Chinese Medicine , David Tarlo

> <d1tarlo@> wrote:

> >

> > As a former practitioner, having been to India and

> > studied with Geeta Iyengar and B.K.S. Iyengar and

> > Patabi Jois I believe that Yoga is curative,

> > regardless of the style, intensity, or name brand.

> > Ashtanga is said to produce internal heat, but it is

> > allegorical, intended to represent the Kundalini (or

> > Qi, or Yang...call it what you want, which happens to

> > reside at the base of the spine where DU and REN exit

> > Dan Tian to the superficial meridian) awakening and

> > purifying the impure through the fire generated by the

> > breathing, moving up (and around the spine... DU and

> > REN??) through and awakening the chakras, eventually

> > reaching the brain and opening the crown chakra to the

> > ... etc... Doesn't matter the deficiency or excess,

> > Yoga is a method of bringing balance (Physical,

> > emotional, mental and spiritual). There is no one

> > more damp or hot of qi deficient as I was when I was

> > told I would hardly be able to walk and I still am,

> > twenty-four years later, in my late 50's walking and

> > more and about to start practicing Yoga again. Your

> > patient will only benefit from Yoga. Be happy for her

> > and encourage her, it is a long journey, and you/she

> > will get much more benefit from your therapy with her

> > Qi and Blood not stagnant and besides the acup. and

> > herbs, addressing her diet will go a long way.

> > David

> >

> > --- ovchin@ wrote:

> >

> > > Dear Shanna

> > >

> > > I think, Ashtanga yoga too agressive and hot for

> > > your patient, especially with Sp deficiency and D/H

> > > in body. It would much better if she takes the so

> > > called Yin yoga classes or study by herself this

> > > practice according the book about Yin yoga by Paul

> > > Grilley (there is a DVD also). It was designed

> > > specifically for stretching and healing connective

> > > tissue like tendons, ligaments,cartilages and so on.

> > > It is mild and more appropriate for cervical and

> > > lumbar problems.

> > >

> > > yuri ovchinnikov

> > >

> > > shannahickle@

> > > Chinese Medicine

> > > Mon, 6 Nov 2006 8:21 PM

> > > ashtanga and dysplasia

> > >

> > > Hi everyone

> > >

> > > Does anyone know if doing ashtanga yoga has any

> > > effects positive or

> > > negative on cervical dysplasia? I am currently

> > > treating someone with

> > > a " moderately severe " case (damp heat, Sp Qi xu,

> > > blood stasis) and

> > > confirmed HPV with herbs and acupuncture and she is

> > > very interested in

> > > diet and exercise adjunct treatment. She is vegan

> > > and has a vigorous

> > > ashtanga practice and wonders if she should

> > > discontinue. She has been

> > > told that ashtanga is a " hot " practice according to

> > > aurveda. Any

> > > experience or information would be much appreciated.

> > >

> > > Thanks, Shanna

> > >

> >

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> > >

> >

>

November 12, 2006

Hello again,

My remaining 2 cents on the subject of Ashtanga Yoga

and any dis-ease. Emotions are causes of dis-ease in

Oriental Medicine, yet no one is advocating that a

patient should always be happy and stop being stressed

or angry, impossible! Most people use forms of

exercise to move Qi because they tend to be stagnant

to start with. When someone has cancer, we don't

recommend they stop eating because that will feed the

cancer! True, Ashtanga yoga is a more physical form

of Yoga, and it is curative as well. The Bandhas are

an advanced practice; very few can maintain the

Bandhas and do the movements of Ashtanga... and if

they can, the Bandhas are a technique to move the

energy upward.

I am definitely biased in this matter, having

recovered from a Qi and Blood stasis disease

(Phlebitis) with the practice of Ashtanga and

bicycling everywhere with a straight drive, no gears,

old steel, Schwin heavy-duty and changing my diet.

And by the way, in all forms of Yoga practice, the

Bandhas are used, or else the state of " Nirvana " can

not be reached.

David

--- znelms <znelms wrote:

> Shanna,

> Astanga Yoga is a great form of exercise and can be

> healing in many

> ways but in your patient's case it may be necessary

> for her to lay

> off for a while. In astanga yoga the yogi utilizes

> " bandhas " .

> Bandhas are energy locks that are used to manipulate

> the flow of

> prana or qi. When used they create a localized qi

> stagnation and

> heat. The two primarily used bandhas are at ren 4

> and ren 1 (or at

> the cervix in women). I have known several astanga

> yogis with

> digestive disorders, I believe that it may be from

> unconsiously and habitually contracting those two

> bandhas. This is

> something worth investigating with your patient. It

> may require a

> conscious effort on her part to learn to let go of

> the bandhas.

> Zach

>

> Chinese Medicine ,

> " miracles28 "

> <jellyphish wrote:

> >

> > As a personal trainer and tcm practitioner i

> always intake with

> > exercise, sometimes annoyingly so (oft get that

> face that says " hey

> > you are an acupuncturist why do you want to know

> WHICH exercises i

> > do!! " ). Yoga is wondeful, as complete a practice

> as you can find,

> but

> > ashtanga is not for the unitiated. This is a

> moderate to advanced

> > yoga, i agree with yuri that a more yin based yoga

> (and every yoga

> > studio/gym has them) is called for with this pt.

> Also she could

> > consider other forms such as feldenkrais which are

> very good as

> well.

> > The difficulty with more advanced forms of yoga is

> that injuries do

> > happen, but usually only to those who don't know

> what they are

> doing

> > due to lack of experience and a poor teacher, i

> have seen both in

> my

> > experience. Better to be conservative i would

> think.

> > Regards, Tymothy

> >

> > --- In

> Chinese Medicine , David

> Tarlo

> > <d1tarlo@> wrote:

> > >

> > > As a former practitioner, having been to India

> and

> > > studied with Geeta Iyengar and B.K.S. Iyengar

> and

> > > Patabi Jois I believe that Yoga is curative,

> > > regardless of the style, intensity, or name

> brand.

> > > Ashtanga is said to produce internal heat, but

> it is

> > > allegorical, intended to represent the Kundalini

> (or

> > > Qi, or Yang...call it what you want, which

> happens to

> > > reside at the base of the spine where DU and REN

> exit

> > > Dan Tian to the superficial meridian) awakening

> and

> > > purifying the impure through the fire generated

> by the

> > > breathing, moving up (and around the spine... DU

> and

> > > REN??) through and awakening the chakras,

> eventually

> > > reaching the brain and opening the crown chakra

> to the

> > > ... etc... Doesn't matter the deficiency or

> excess,

> > > Yoga is a method of bringing balance (Physical,

> > > emotional, mental and spiritual). There is no

> one

> > > more damp or hot of qi deficient as I was when I

> was

> > > told I would hardly be able to walk and I still

> am,

> > > twenty-four years later, in my late 50's walking

> and

> > > more and about to start practicing Yoga again.

> Your

> > > patient will only benefit from Yoga. Be happy

> for her

> > > and encourage her, it is a long journey, and

> you/she

> > > will get much more benefit from your therapy

> with her

> > > Qi and Blood not stagnant and besides the acup.

> and

> > > herbs, addressing her diet will go a long way.

> > > David

> > >

> > > --- ovchin@ wrote:

> > >

> > > > Dear Shanna

> > > >

> > > > I think, Ashtanga yoga too agressive and hot

> for

> > > > your patient, especially with Sp deficiency

> and D/H

> > > > in body. It would much better if she takes the

> so

> > > > called Yin yoga classes or study by herself

> this

> > > > practice according the book about Yin yoga by

> Paul

> > > > Grilley (there is a DVD also). It was designed

> > > > specifically for stretching and healing

> connective

> > > > tissue like tendons, ligaments,cartilages and

> so on.

> > > > It is mild and more appropriate for cervical

> and

> > > > lumbar problems.

> > > >

> > > > yuri ovchinnikov

> > > >

> > > > shannahickle@

> > > > To:

> Chinese Medicine

> > > > Mon, 6 Nov 2006 8:21 PM

> > > > ashtanga and dysplasia

> > > >

> > > > Hi everyone

> > > >

> > > > Does anyone know if doing ashtanga yoga has

> any

> > > > effects positive or

> > > > negative on cervical dysplasia? I am currently

> > > > treating someone with

> > > > a " moderately severe " case (damp heat, Sp Qi

> xu,

> > > > blood stasis) and

> > > > confirmed HPV with herbs and acupuncture and

> she is

> > > > very interested in

> > > > diet and exercise adjunct treatment. She is

> vegan

> > > > and has a vigorous

> > > > ashtanga practice and wonders if she should

> > > > discontinue. She has been

> > > > told that ashtanga is a " hot " practice

> according to

> > > > aurveda. Any

> > > > experience or information would be much

> appreciated.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks, Shanna

> > > >

> > >

>

___________________

> ___

> > > > Check Out the new free AIM® Mail -- 2 GB of

> > > > storage and industry-leading spam and email

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> > > > protection.

> > > >

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> > > > removed]

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

November 12, 2006

David, et al.

I appreciate this whole discussion on yoga and the various forms. I am very

interested in it for myself and my patients. David, incidientally, I have a

patient that bikes (road bike) all Spring , Summer and into the Fall and then

later in the Fall and all Winter practices yoga. My guess is the yoga will

carry with her to some degree next Spring, etc.

Anne

-------------- Original message ----------------------

David Tarlo <d1tarlo

> Hello again,

> My remaining 2 cents on the subject of Ashtanga Yoga

> and any dis-ease. Emotions are causes of dis-ease in

> Oriental Medicine, yet no one is advocating that a

> patient should always be happy and stop being stressed

> or angry, impossible! Most people use forms of

> exercise to move Qi because they tend to be stagnant

> to start with. When someone has cancer, we don't

> recommend they stop eating because that will feed the

> cancer! True, Ashtanga yoga is a more physical form

> of Yoga, and it is curative as well. The Bandhas are

> an advanced practice; very few can maintain the

> Bandhas and do the movements of Ashtanga... and if

> they can, the Bandhas are a technique to move the

> energy upward.

> I am definitely biased in this matter, having

> recovered from a Qi and Blood stasis disease

> (Phlebitis) with the practice of Ashtanga and

> bicycling everywhere with a straight drive, no gears,

> old steel, Schwin heavy-duty and changing my diet.

> And by the way, in all forms of Yoga practice, the

> Bandhas are used, or else the state of " Nirvana " can

> not be reached.

> David

>

> --- znelms <znelms wrote:

>

> > Shanna,

> > Astanga Yoga is a great form of exercise and can be

> > healing in many

> > ways but in your patient's case it may be necessary

> > for her to lay

> > off for a while. In astanga yoga the yogi utilizes

> > " bandhas " .

> > Bandhas are energy locks that are used to manipulate

> > the flow of

> > prana or qi. When used they create a localized qi

> > stagnation and

> > heat. The two primarily used bandhas are at ren 4

> > and ren 1 (or at

> > the cervix in women). I have known several astanga

> > yogis with

> > digestive disorders, I believe that it may be from

> > unconsiously and habitually contracting those two

> > bandhas. This is

> > something worth investigating with your patient. It

> > may require a

> > conscious effort on her part to learn to let go of

> > the bandhas.

> > Zach

> >

> > Chinese Medicine ,

> > " miracles28 "

> > <jellyphish wrote:

> > >

> > > As a personal trainer and tcm practitioner i

> > always intake with

> > > exercise, sometimes annoyingly so (oft get that

> > face that says " hey

> > > you are an acupuncturist why do you want to know

> > WHICH exercises i

> > > do!! " ). Yoga is wondeful, as complete a practice

> > as you can find,

> > but

> > > ashtanga is not for the unitiated. This is a

> > moderate to advanced

> > > yoga, i agree with yuri that a more yin based yoga

> > (and every yoga

> > > studio/gym has them) is called for with this pt.

> > Also she could

> > > consider other forms such as feldenkrais which are

> > very good as

> > well.

> > > The difficulty with more advanced forms of yoga is

> > that injuries do

> > > happen, but usually only to those who don't know

> > what they are

> > doing

> > > due to lack of experience and a poor teacher, i

> > have seen both in

> > my

> > > experience. Better to be conservative i would

> > think.

> > > Regards, Tymothy

> > >

> > > --- In

> > Chinese Medicine , David

> > Tarlo

> > > <d1tarlo@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > As a former practitioner, having been to India

> > and

> > > > studied with Geeta Iyengar and B.K.S. Iyengar

> > and

> > > > Patabi Jois I believe that Yoga is curative,

> > > > regardless of the style, intensity, or name

> > brand.

> > > > Ashtanga is said to produce internal heat, but

> > it is

> > > > allegorical, intended to represent the Kundalini

> > (or

> > > > Qi, or Yang...call it what you want, which

> > happens to

> > > > reside at the base of the spine where DU and REN

> > exit

> > > > Dan Tian to the superficial meridian) awakening

> > and

> > > > purifying the impure through the fire generated

> > by the

> > > > breathing, moving up (and around the spine... DU

> > and

> > > > REN??) through and awakening the chakras,

> > eventually

> > > > reaching the brain and opening the crown chakra

> > to the

> > > > ... etc... Doesn't matter the deficiency or

> > excess,

> > > > Yoga is a method of bringing balance (Physical,

> > > > emotional, mental and spiritual). There is no

> > one

> > > > more damp or hot of qi deficient as I was when I

> > was

> > > > told I would hardly be able to walk and I still

> > am,

> > > > twenty-four years later, in my late 50's walking

> > and

> > > > more and about to start practicing Yoga again.

> > Your

> > > > patient will only benefit from Yoga. Be happy

> > for her

> > > > and encourage her, it is a long journey, and

> > you/she

> > > > will get much more benefit from your therapy

> > with her

> > > > Qi and Blood not stagnant and besides the acup.

> > and

> > > > herbs, addressing her diet will go a long way.

> > > > David

> > > >

> > > > --- ovchin@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > > > Dear Shanna

> > > > >

> > > > > I think, Ashtanga yoga too agressive and hot

> > for

> > > > > your patient, especially with Sp deficiency

> > and D/H

> > > > > in body. It would much better if she takes the

> > so

> > > > > called Yin yoga classes or study by herself

> > this

> > > > > practice according the book about Yin yoga by

> > Paul

> > > > > Grilley (there is a DVD also). It was designed

> > > > > specifically for stretching and healing

> > connective

> > > > > tissue like tendons, ligaments,cartilages and

> > so on.

> > > > > It is mild and more appropriate for cervical

> > and

> > > > > lumbar problems.

> > > > >

> > > > > yuri ovchinnikov

> > > > >

> > > > > shannahickle@

> > > > > To:

> > Chinese Medicine

> > > > > Mon, 6 Nov 2006 8:21 PM

> > > > > ashtanga and dysplasia

> > > > >

> > > > > Hi everyone

> > > > >

> > > > > Does anyone know if doing ashtanga yoga has

> > any

> > > > > effects positive or

> > > > > negative on cervical dysplasia? I am currently

> > > > > treating someone with

> > > > > a " moderately severe " case (damp heat, Sp Qi

> > xu,

> > > > > blood stasis) and

> > > > > confirmed HPV with herbs and acupuncture and

> > she is

> > > > > very interested in

> > > > > diet and exercise adjunct treatment. She is

> > vegan

> > > > > and has a vigorous

> > > > > ashtanga practice and wonders if she should

> > > > > discontinue. She has been

> > > > > told that ashtanga is a " hot " practice

> > according to

> > > > > aurveda. Any

> > > > > experience or information would be much

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November 12, 2006

I've been following this thread re: astanga yoga, and I disagree with the

someone who said that it is not good for the Sp qi def. person with damp needing

a more of a yin style yoga practice.

I've greatly benefited over the last 10 years with my practice of astanga.

I'm a spleen qi def, with damp and find the more yang style of ashtanga to move

my liver qi, drain some damp, and add some kidney fire to the mix. Being a cold

person, I like the HOT yoga, in a hot room. The sweat that is produced opens

the pores, and detoxifies the body.

One challenge I've had with ashtanga is that being a spleen damp (kapha type)

I often have difficulty getting past the 'first series'. First series requires

more of a vata body type - being longer, and leaner. More flexible, they can

move into 'second' series quicker than most. And in my experience, it's the yin

deficient people who burn up more yin with the Yang style of Asthanga. And for

the fire types, it certainly too hot of a practice. It is definitely a

" warrior " practice.

The practice of Ashtanga is a longer journey for some than for others. And I

think it's a great practice. But just like when it comes to prescribing anyone

of our treatment protocols, there are so many styles of yoga that might fit the

presentation of an individual better with some than with others.

Georgette

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