Guest guest Posted October 26, 2006 Report Share Posted October 26, 2006 I've begun a 3 month training in acupuncture at Xiamen University in Fujian province, China. I'd like to share my initial impression and perhaps I will post more on my experience here. I chose this program for a few reasons, one being the cost , the other location. Quality, well I have heard that Andrew Ellis trained here in the past. The cost is $1000 for 3 months, clinic 8am-12, class 2:30-5:30. I am aware of the program in Nanjing, 3mo/3000. So, this is less expensive, and NCCAOM says it qualifies for CEU/PDA's.They offer other short term training in traumatology/orthopedics for one month. If all goes well I'll do that as well. I've lived in China 3 years in several cities and visited a few TCM hospitals so I can say this one is nicer and cleaner than most. The conditions can be shocking in some places.This program of short-term training is aimed at overseas students from Hongkong ,Macao and Taiwan, so the classroon instruction at this time is in Mandarin. Im making mp3's and translating the classes.The are many bilingual overseas students and a few doctors who speak English, but I have an interpreter and its gone well so far. In the clinics that I have seen the acupuncture dep't does not do bian zheng/differential dx, rather directly treat the western disease. Thats the trend, but today I was happy to see the doc sometimes doing pulse and tongue! Of course hes also treating 10 patients at one time and they are lined up in the hallway. Of course all needling is freehand style,no guidetubes.I have seen some agressive needling also; taiyang perpendicular, St12 deeply perpendicular, deep needling on the throat area, through the cranial foramen, casually as a matter of course. All this for (hold on to your hats..) 3RMB which is 35 cents US dollars!! When I mentioned that I recieved 70-100 /tx in the US I could hear the jaws hit the floor. The cost of living is quite low. and Xiamen is a beautiful sub-tropical island city, the clinic overlooks the ocean and mainland.Palm trees. Sure I'd rather be at Beijing U, but I believe its not Where, but Who you train with thats paramount. The staff and faculty seem very " willing to teach " and thats good enough for me at this point. Hopefully I'll have time to post more if anyone is interested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2006 Report Share Posted October 26, 2006 Hi Skip, Interesting post. Many thanks for sharing it with us. Is the $1000 for 3 months including the accommodation fees or just for the teaching? Have they let you puncture patients yet? If not, will they let you do it? Kind regards, Attilio D'Alberto Doctor of (Beijing, China) BSc (Hons) TCM, MATCM Editor Times +44 (0) 1189 612512 enquiries www.chinesemedicinetimes.com <http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com/> Chinese Medicine Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of skip8080 26 October 2006 09:14 Chinese Medicine China Internship Report #1 I've begun a 3 month training in acupuncture at Xiamen University in Fujian province, China. I'd like to share my initial impression and perhaps I will post more on my experience here. I chose this program for a few reasons, one being the cost , the other location. Quality, well I have heard that Andrew Ellis trained here in the past. The cost is $1000 for 3 months, clinic 8am-12, class 2:30-5:30. I am aware of the program in Nanjing, 3mo/3000. So, this is less expensive, and NCCAOM says it qualifies for CEU/PDA's.They offer other short term training in traumatology/orthopedics for one month. If all goes well I'll do that as well. I've lived in China 3 years in several cities and visited a few TCM hospitals so I can say this one is nicer and cleaner than most. The conditions can be shocking in some places.This program of short-term training is aimed at overseas students from Hongkong ,Macao and Taiwan, so the classroon instruction at this time is in Mandarin. Im making mp3's and translating the classes.The are many bilingual overseas students and a few doctors who speak English, but I have an interpreter and its gone well so far. In the clinics that I have seen the acupuncture dep't does not do bian zheng/differential dx, rather directly treat the western disease. Thats the trend, but today I was happy to see the doc sometimes doing pulse and tongue! Of course hes also treating 10 patients at one time and they are lined up in the hallway. Of course all needling is freehand style,no guidetubes.I have seen some agressive needling also; taiyang perpendicular, St12 deeply perpendicular, deep needling on the throat area, through the cranial foramen, casually as a matter of course. All this for (hold on to your hats..) 3RMB which is 35 cents US dollars!! When I mentioned that I recieved 70-100 /tx in the US I could hear the jaws hit the floor. The cost of living is quite low. and Xiamen is a beautiful sub-tropical island city, the clinic overlooks the ocean and mainland.Palm trees. Sure I'd rather be at Beijing U, but I believe its not Where, but Who you train with thats paramount. The staff and faculty seem very " willing to teach " and thats good enough for me at this point. Hopefully I'll have time to post more if anyone is interested. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2006 Report Share Posted October 26, 2006 This is most interesting. Keep posting! Karin On Oct 26, 2006, at 4:13 AM, skip8080 wrote: > I've begun a 3 month training in acupuncture at Xiamen University in > Fujian province, China. I'd like to share my initial impression > and perhaps I will post more on my experience here. > I chose this program for a few reasons, one being the cost , the other > location. Quality, well I have heard that Andrew Ellis trained here in > the past. > The cost is $1000 for 3 months, clinic 8am-12, class 2:30-5:30. I am > aware of the program in Nanjing, 3mo/3000. So, this is less expensive, > and NCCAOM says it qualifies for CEU/PDA's.They offer other short term > training in traumatology/orthopedics for one month. If all goes well > I'll do that as well. > I've lived in China 3 years in several cities and visited a few TCM > hospitals so I can say this one is nicer and cleaner than most. The > conditions can be shocking in some places.This program of short-term > training is aimed at overseas students from Hongkong ,Macao and > Taiwan, so the classroon instruction at this time is in Mandarin. Im > making mp3's and translating the classes.The are many bilingual > overseas students and a few doctors who speak English, but I have an > interpreter and its gone well so far. > In the clinics that I have seen the acupuncture dep't does not do > bian zheng/differential dx, rather directly treat the western disease. > Thats the trend, but today I was happy to see the doc sometimes doing > pulse and tongue! Of course hes also treating 10 patients at one time > and they are lined up in the hallway. > Of course all needling is freehand style,no guidetubes.I have seen > some agressive needling also; taiyang perpendicular, St12 deeply > perpendicular, deep needling on the throat area, through the cranial > foramen, casually as a matter of course. > All this for (hold on to your hats..) 3RMB which is 35 cents US > dollars!! When I mentioned that I recieved 70-100 /tx in the US I > could hear the jaws hit the floor. > The cost of living is quite low. and Xiamen is a beautiful > sub-tropical island city, the clinic overlooks the ocean and > mainland.Palm trees. Sure I'd rather be at Beijing U, but I believe > its not Where, but Who you train with thats paramount. The staff and > faculty seem very " willing to teach " and thats good enough for me at > this point. > Hopefully I'll have time to post more if anyone is interested. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2006 Report Share Posted October 26, 2006 Thanks Skip, Great idea, do keep it up. Gordon. On 10/26/06, Attilio D'Alberto <attiliodalberto wrote: > > Hi Skip, > > Interesting post. Many thanks for sharing it with us. > > Is the $1000 for 3 months including the accommodation fees or just for the > teaching? > > Have they let you puncture patients yet? If not, will they let you do it? > > Kind regards, > > Attilio D'Alberto > Doctor of (Beijing, China) > BSc (Hons) TCM, MATCM > Editor > Times > +44 (0) 1189 612512 > enquiries<enquiries%40chinesemedicinetimes.com> > www.chinesemedicinetimes.com <http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com/> > > > > > > Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\ ogroups.com> > [Chinese Medicine <Traditional_Chinese_Medicin\ e%40>] > On Behalf Of skip8080 > 26 October 2006 09:14 > To: Chinese Medicine <Chinese Medicine%40yaho\ ogroups.com> > China Internship Report #1 > > I've begun a 3 month training in acupuncture at Xiamen University in > Fujian province, China. I'd like to share my initial impression > and perhaps I will post more on my experience here. > I chose this program for a few reasons, one being the cost , the other > location. Quality, well I have heard that Andrew Ellis trained here in > the past. > The cost is $1000 for 3 months, clinic 8am-12, class 2:30-5:30. I am > aware of the program in Nanjing, 3mo/3000. So, this is less expensive, > and NCCAOM says it qualifies for CEU/PDA's.They offer other short term > training in traumatology/orthopedics for one month. If all goes well > I'll do that as well. > I've lived in China 3 years in several cities and visited a few TCM > hospitals so I can say this one is nicer and cleaner than most. The > conditions can be shocking in some places.This program of short-term > training is aimed at overseas students from Hongkong ,Macao and > Taiwan, so the classroon instruction at this time is in Mandarin. Im > making mp3's and translating the classes.The are many bilingual > overseas students and a few doctors who speak English, but I have an > interpreter and its gone well so far. > In the clinics that I have seen the acupuncture dep't does not do > bian zheng/differential dx, rather directly treat the western disease. > Thats the trend, but today I was happy to see the doc sometimes doing > pulse and tongue! Of course hes also treating 10 patients at one time > and they are lined up in the hallway. > Of course all needling is freehand style,no guidetubes.I have seen > some agressive needling also; taiyang perpendicular, St12 deeply > perpendicular, deep needling on the throat area, through the cranial > foramen, casually as a matter of course. > All this for (hold on to your hats..) 3RMB which is 35 cents US > dollars!! When I mentioned that I recieved 70-100 /tx in the US I > could hear the jaws hit the floor. > The cost of living is quite low. and Xiamen is a beautiful > sub-tropical island city, the clinic overlooks the ocean and > mainland.Palm trees. Sure I'd rather be at Beijing U, but I believe > its not Where, but Who you train with thats paramount. The staff and > faculty seem very " willing to teach " and thats good enough for me at > this point. > Hopefully I'll have time to post more if anyone is interested. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2006 Report Share Posted October 26, 2006 I also found this very interesting. It's funny , they tell us don't treat the Western disase, treat the pattern or the 5E diagnosis. When you said that I had to chuckle. It is a real temptation to go after the disease, especially when you have 10 people lined up in the hallway. That will definitely lowere the cost of providing the treatment. Also in the U.S., where I live, which is not NYC, it costs about 1,000 a month for shelter I enjoyed hearing your experiences. So the interpreter is provided for us English speaking folks? Take Care and Enjoy your adventure. Anne Crowley -------------- Original message ---------------------- " skip8080 " <skip8080 > I've begun a 3 month training in acupuncture at Xiamen University in > Fujian province, China. I'd like to share my initial impression > and perhaps I will post more on my experience here. > I chose this program for a few reasons, one being the cost , the other > location. Quality, well I have heard that Andrew Ellis trained here in > the past. > T > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2006 Report Share Posted October 26, 2006 Thats just the tuition of course. I havent needled yet, but yes I will be, in fact theres a practical and written exam at the end. Believe it or not, I figure if you had 3 months and $3000 one " could " do it ,backpacker style, including airfare. Our TCM school trip to Shanghai was $3000 and only 3 weeks. But I'd hope you like noodles! Chinese Medicine , " Attilio D'Alberto " <attiliodalberto wrote: > > Hi Skip, > > Interesting post. Many thanks for sharing it with us. > > Is the $1000 for 3 months including the accommodation fees or just for the > teaching? > > Have they let you puncture patients yet? If not, will they let you do it? > > Kind regards, > > Attilio D'Alberto > Doctor of (Beijing, China) > BSc (Hons) TCM, MATCM > Editor > Times > +44 (0) 1189 612512 > enquiries > www.chinesemedicinetimes.com <http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com/> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 26, 2006 Report Share Posted October 26, 2006 I only ask as I was paying around $300 for 3 weeks with a renowned acupuncturist at Zhong Ri hospital in Beijing. That was only for half a day as treatments are done in the morning and I didn't want the afternoon lecturers, which are crap. I also didn't need an interpreter, which cuts down the costs alot. I rented a apartment near the Olympic village but you can stay on campus with the other students who have their own subsided cafeteria. Kind regards, Attilio D'Alberto Doctor of (Beijing, China) BSc (Hons) TCM, MATCM Editor Times +44 (0) 1189 612512 enquiries www.chinesemedicinetimes.com <http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com/> Chinese Medicine Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of skip8080 26 October 2006 13:26 Chinese Medicine Re: China Internship Report #1 Thats just the tuition of course. I havent needled yet, but yes I will be, in fact theres a practical and written exam at the end. Believe it or not, I figure if you had 3 months and $3000 one " could " do it ,backpacker style, including airfare. Our TCM school trip to Shanghai was $3000 and only 3 weeks. But I'd hope you like noodles! Traditional_ <Chinese Medicine%40> Chinese_Medicine , " Attilio D'Alberto " <attiliodalberto wrote: > > Hi Skip, > > Interesting post. Many thanks for sharing it with us. > > Is the $1000 for 3 months including the accommodation fees or just for the > teaching? > > Have they let you puncture patients yet? If not, will they let you do it? > > Kind regards, > > Attilio D'Alberto > Doctor of (Beijing, China) > BSc (Hons) TCM, MATCM > Editor > Times > +44 (0) 1189 612512 > enquiries > www.chinesemedicinetimes.com <http://www.chinesem <http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com/> edicinetimes.com/> > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 27, 2006 Report Share Posted October 27, 2006 I think the Who teaches you rather than the Where is very important too. Even in the same hospital, teachers vary. I was lucky, my supervising doctor in the Acupuncture department had us freehand needling the first day, and he'd yell at any of the patients who voiced a complaint about being needled by interns. Whilst in another doctors rooms in the department, students were forced to observe whilst only those of our classmates who were ethnically chinese were allowed to needle. If you've got a good teacher, then maintain the relationship even after your clinical experience ends! Good luck. Lea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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