Guest guest Posted October 18, 2006 Report Share Posted October 18, 2006 Chinese Medicine , " " < wrote: > Hi Phil: You asked: The person in yoga position at > http://www.hungerfordmedicalinc.com/physician%20bio.htm radiates good > balance of Ti, Shen, Qi & Xue. Is that you, Ecleea? Yes, that is me. You said: > Expert spinal adjustment is a great complement to other therapies, including AP. I know several vet manipulators who use gentle (non- impact)adjustment methods with great results. However, I am wary of chiro-osteo methods that use impact hammers. Also,in old dogs (as in old people) vertebral bridging, spondylosis or disk calcification is common. Impact to such areas can be dangerous - risk of fracture or chipping. _ Phil, I beg to disagree with you on that. The Activator fires at a rate of 2-4 milliseconds which is very fast relative to a manual adjustment ranging from 60 to 2150 milliseconds. It is primarily used on the spinous processes of the spinal column. In basic Newtonian physics we have the formula Force = Mass X Acceleration. The Activator completes it adjustive thrust before the muscle reflex has time to resist and this is the reason an animal can be adjusted standing, sitting, resisting, in muscle spasm and without sedation. With less mass needed because of greater acceleration, this technique is extremely safe for your animal - actually safer than manual adjustment. Usually about 12 pounds of force is applied which is much less than a human hand would apply. I've been doing it for about a year and a half. Most of my clients are very old arthritic dogs. It eases pain because it corrects the pathology of the nerve ganglions coming out of the vertebral column. It is actually neurologic manipulation - many people don't understand this. Sincerely,ecleea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2006 Report Share Posted October 18, 2006 Hi Ecleea, I wrote: >> Expert spinal adjustment is a great complement to other therapies, including AP. I know several vet manipulators who use gentle (non- impact) adjustment methods with great results. However, I am wary of chiro-osteo methods that use impact hammers. Also,in old dogs (as in old people) vertebral bridging, spondylosis or disk calcification is common. Impact to such areas can be dangerous - risk of fracture or chipping. Ecleea replied: > Phil, I beg to disagree ...The Activator fires at a rate of 2-4ms which > is very fast relative to a manual adjustment ranging from 60-2150ms. It > is used primarily on the spinous processes of the spinal column. In > basic Newtonian physics we have the formula Force = Mass X > Acceleration. The Activator completes it adjustive thrust before the > muscle reflex has time to resist and this is the reason an animal can > be adjusted standing, sitting, resisting, in muscle spasm and without > sedation. With less mass needed because of greater acceleration, this > technique is extremely safe for your animal - actually safer than > manual adjustment. Usually about 12lbs of force is applied which is > much less than a human hand would apply. Many thanks, Ecleea. Very useful comment. I learn something new every day. My wariness is impact-type chiro/osteo adjustment is based on ignorance (lack of personal experience) of the professional adjustment methods, but also on scare-stories on the grapevine of vertebral fracture or chipping in pts whose vertebrae were calcified/bridged before the impact-adjustment. From what you say, the Adjuster that you use applies little force/impact and may well be safe, even in " high-risk " spines. > I've been doing it for about 1.5 years. Most of my clients are very old > arthritic dogs. It eases pain because it corrects the pathology of the > nerve ganglions coming out of the vertebral column. It is actually > neurologic manipulation - many people don't understand this. Sincerely, > ecleea Do you know of such instruments being used in horses? Brand name(s)? Supplier(s)? Price(s)? Can you give me name(s) of vet(s) that use(s) such instruments in horses? Best regards, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 18, 2006 Report Share Posted October 18, 2006 Actually, the Activator is my method of choice on high-risk spines. The scare stories you have heard, generally, are pretty much just that...scare stories. The only real osseous issue is one of mineralization. Even then, osteopenia and osteoporosis are only relative contraindications, in most cases requiring only a modification of technique. Avery On Wed, 18 Oct 2006 11:12:35 -0400, < wrote: > Hi Ecleea, > > I wrote: >>> Expert spinal adjustment is a great complement to other therapies, > including AP. I know several vet manipulators who use gentle (non- > impact) > adjustment methods with great results. However, I am wary of chiro-osteo > methods that use impact hammers. Also,in old dogs (as in old people) > vertebral bridging, spondylosis or disk calcification is common. Impact > to > such areas can be dangerous - risk of fracture or chipping. > > Ecleea replied: >> Phil, I beg to disagree ...The Activator fires at a rate of 2-4ms which >> is very fast relative to a manual adjustment ranging from 60-2150ms. It >> is used primarily on the spinous processes of the spinal column. In >> basic Newtonian physics we have the formula Force = Mass X >> Acceleration. The Activator completes it adjustive thrust before the >> muscle reflex has time to resist and this is the reason an animal can >> be adjusted standing, sitting, resisting, in muscle spasm and without >> sedation. With less mass needed because of greater acceleration, this >> technique is extremely safe for your animal - actually safer than >> manual adjustment. Usually about 12lbs of force is applied which is >> much less than a human hand would apply. > > Many thanks, Ecleea. Very useful comment. I learn something new every > day. > > My wariness is impact-type chiro/osteo adjustment is based on ignorance > (lack of personal experience) of the professional adjustment methods, but > also on scare-stories on the grapevine of vertebral fracture or chipping > in > pts whose vertebrae were calcified/bridged before the impact-adjustment. > > From what you say, the Adjuster that you use applies little force/impact > and > may well be safe, even in " high-risk " spines. > >> I've been doing it for about 1.5 years. Most of my clients are very old >> arthritic dogs. It eases pain because it corrects the pathology of the >> nerve ganglions coming out of the vertebral column. It is actually >> neurologic manipulation - many people don't understand this. Sincerely, >> ecleea > > Do you know of such instruments being used in horses? > Brand name(s)? > Supplier(s)? > Price(s)? > > Can you give me name(s) of vet(s) that use(s) such instruments in horses? > > Best regards, > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 20, 2006 Report Share Posted October 20, 2006 Chinese Medicine , " " < wrote: Hi Phil, You asked: Do you know of such instruments being used in horses? Yes! It's great for horses - if the noise doesn't bother them. Race horses are very sensitive to sounds. You asked: Brand name(s)? Supplier(s)? Price(s)? Can you give me name(s) of vet(s) that use(s) such instruments in horses? Dr. Bill Inman, D.V.M., can answer your questions. Here's his website: www.vomtech.com. At his website he lists practitioners in the United States and Canada. Good Luck! Best regards, Ecleea > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 24, 2007 Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 Phil, your concerns are warranted and there are several chiropracters, some veterinarians dually certified through AVCA that are using manipulators that only deliver 2 lbs of pressure, one of these at least then also goes over her finger to take the pounds of pressure down yet another pound. Energyworks chiropractic is a form developed out of this concern and using muscle testing to first help determine where the body even needs adjustment.Several hundred photos on skeletons of animals have been taken by veterinarian Margo Roman, to properly illustrate the line of correction needed to insure these adjustments are made properly.This is just information I know to be addressed in the only organization that certifies veterinarians and chiropracters that have received the proper training to even be engaging in veterinary chirporactic. Sincerely, Patricia Jordan DVM,CVA,CTCVM & Herbology _______________ From predictions to trailers, check out the MSN Entertainment Guide to the Academy Awards® http://movies.msn.com/movies/oscars2007/?icid=ncoscartagline1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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