Guest guest Posted September 9, 2004 Report Share Posted September 9, 2004 Hi Anecdote: Another clinician where I work used a spin-off of NAET (ART applied resonance therapy) to treat a woman with an anaphylactic reaction to shellfish (diagnosed by an allergist with skin tests). She went in for retesting about a year after her treatments and was not reactive to shellfish, her other allergy sx (for pollen, dust, et al.) had decreased substantially. Obviously he didn't tell her to run off to a lobster shack and pig out, but it would seem that she's safe at this point if she slips up with something. If you're excited about it I might be able to get a copy of the allergists report, pending patient permission of course. I'm not aware of many people having spontaneous remissions of allergies at her age, and shellfish allergies do not typically go away anyhow. I don't hold a hot of faith in the system, it seems a little twiggy, but it seems to have worked well for this practitioner and a number of the folks he treated reported similar results with allergies that were essentially life threatening. I've been treating some of my patients for free with the system to see if I could get results with contact dermatitis and respiratory allergies, so far the results have been less than satisfactory (about 50% of those treated have had improvements in sx but nothing dramatic and certainly nothing that couldn't be accounted for by other factors). Is there any particular reason that you don't think allergies can be successfully eliminated by CHM, or acupuncture? While I totally agree that it would be unethical to categorically state we treat and eliminate allergies, TCM manages to treat a range of other immune issues, why not this one? I've not investigated NAET, do they claim to address food as well as airborne allergens, they are both the same type of allergy (type I, IgE, histamine etc) right? Par - " " < Thursday, September 09, 2004 11:47 AM food allergies > FYI, from NIH; note that only 1% of adults have true food allergies. > Most of what our patients experience is food sensitivity, not immune > related. I seriously doubt any TCM technique can eliminate a true food > allergy in an adult. Has anyone ever tested this hypothesis with > shellfish or peanuts. Take someone who has had shellfish anaphylaxis > and reverse their allergy and prove it. any takers? uh-huh. we need > to very careful about our terms and claims. those who claim to treat > true allergies with acupuncture are hurting us all with this naive > misrepresentation. these are the continuing things that make us > anathema to the mainstream. > > > January 1999 > > Food Allergy and Intolerances > > Food allergies or food intolerances affect nearly everyone at some > point. People often have an unpleasant reaction to something they ate > and wonder if they have a food allergy. One out of three people either > say that they have a food allergy or that they modify the family diet > because a family member is suspected of having a food allergy. But only > about three percent of children have clinically proven allergic > reactions to foods. In adults, the prevalence of food allergy drops to > about one percent of the total population. > > This difference between the clinically proven prevalence of food > allergy and the public perception of the problem is in part due to > reactions called " food intolerances " rather than food allergies. A food > allergy, or hypersensitivity, is an abnormal response to a food that is > triggered by the immune system. The immune system is not responsible > for the symptoms of a food intolerance, even though these symptoms can > resemble those of a food allergy. > > > > > Chinese Herbs > > > FAX: > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 9, 2004 Report Share Posted September 9, 2004 <FYI, from NIH; note that only 1% of adults have true food allergies. > So, you are saying here that an IgE mediated response is the only true allergy (leading to anaphylaxis), and that IgG and IgA responses are not? And yet we have labs like Great Smokies who offer non-isotopic immuno-assays for allergy testing. Even if you would rather label the later immunoglobulin responses " sensitivities " they are still immune related. Sean _____ Thursday, September 09, 2004 11:48 AM cha food allergies FYI, from NIH; note that only 1% of adults have true food allergies. Most of what our patients experience is food sensitivity, not immune related. I seriously doubt any TCM technique can eliminate a true food allergy in an adult. Has anyone ever tested this hypothesis with shellfish or peanuts. Take someone who has had shellfish anaphylaxis and reverse their allergy and prove it. any takers? uh-huh. we need to very careful about our terms and claims. those who claim to treat true allergies with acupuncture are hurting us all with this naive misrepresentation. these are the continuing things that make us anathema to the mainstream. January 1999 Food Allergy and Intolerances Food allergies or food intolerances affect nearly everyone at some point. People often have an unpleasant reaction to something they ate and wonder if they have a food allergy. One out of three people either say that they have a food allergy or that they modify the family diet because a family member is suspected of having a food allergy. But only about three percent of children have clinically proven allergic reactions to foods. In adults, the prevalence of food allergy drops to about one percent of the total population. This difference between the clinically proven prevalence of food allergy and the public perception of the problem is in part due to reactions called " food intolerances " rather than food allergies. A food allergy, or hypersensitivity, is an abnormal response to a food that is triggered by the immune system. The immune system is not responsible for the symptoms of a food intolerance, even though these symptoms can resemble those of a food allergy. Chinese Herbs FAX: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2004 Report Share Posted September 19, 2004 Hi Any idea how the NIH came up with that stat? I know some DR.s use the skin test to determine food allergies. Maybe this is the case in the NIH study. Maybe not. In any case, from what I have been told, many people will react differently when the skin is challenged compared to the digestive track. It is for that reason, some labs are going to saliva testing to challenge the immune system with foods rather than the skin prick. I have no idea what percentage of people react in the skin challenge, but I have been told a much larger percentage react to the saliva test. It is supposedly a more accurate indication immune response to food. The NIH stat is suspect to me. I would love to find out how they came up their the data. All the best, Chris In a message dated 9/10/2004 11:59:14 AM Eastern Daylight Time, sean writes: FYI, from NIH; note that only 1% of adults have true food allergies. Most of what our patients experience is food sensitivity, not immune related. I seriously doubt any TCM technique can eliminate a true food allergy in an adult. Has anyone ever tested this hypothesis with shellfish or peanuts. Take someone who has had shellfish anaphylaxis and reverse their allergy and prove it. any takers? uh-huh. we need to very careful about our terms and claims. those who claim to treat true allergies with acupuncture are hurting us all with this naive misrepresentation. these are the continuing things that make us anathema to the mainstream. January 1999 Food Allergy and Intolerances Food allergies or food intolerances affect nearly everyone at some point. People often have an unpleasant reaction to something they ate and wonder if they have a food allergy. One out of three people either say that they have a food allergy or that they modify the family diet because a family member is suspected of having a food allergy. But only about three percent of children have clinically proven allergic reactions to foods. In adults, the prevalence of food allergy drops to about one percent of the total population. This difference between the clinically proven prevalence of food allergy and the public perception of the problem is in part due to reactions called " food intolerances " rather than food allergies. A food allergy, or hypersensitivity, is an abnormal response to a food that is triggered by the immune system. The immune system is not responsible for the symptoms of a food intolerance, even though these symptoms can resemble those of a food allergy. Chinese Herbs FAX: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2004 Report Share Posted September 19, 2004 I have had the opportunity to see many split blood test mailed to multiple labs to test for " foot allergies and sensitivities " as well as heavy metal toxicities. I can tell you i no longer believe in ANY of the " alternative med labs " in doing both toxicity or allergy testing. It is amazing to me that even simple heavy metal testing results in all the labs coming up with totally different results. Skin testing is not thought to be reliable for food testing, i now try to do an elimination diet if possible. Alon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2004 Report Share Posted September 20, 2004 , Musiclear@a... wrote: > It is for that reason, some labs are going to saliva testing to challenge > the immune system with foods rather than the skin prick. I have no trouble with using a saliva test as long as it tests for true allergies. My point is that many in the field think muscle testing can identify a true allergy and then substances that the immune system CANNOT respond to under any circumstances are labled allergens, such as sugar. This discredits the field. I use saliva testing for hormones already. BTW, my hunch would be that saliva tests identify allergies missed by blood tests, but that the 6 biggies would still be the same. It doesn't really matter if saliva tests identify other common allergens besides corn and eggs, we already know from epidemiological evidence that these are real concerns, much bigger than garlic or broccoli or such things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 17, 2006 Report Share Posted October 17, 2006 Hi, I'm seeking any guidance anyone can offer. I have a 64 year old patient, a woman, who has such severe food allergies that there is literally little that she can eat. She came to me diagnosed with allergies to all foods that have phenolic compounds in them - which is darn close to everything. Her homeopath has her on drops to desensitize her. I've been seeing her for a while and she was showing great improvement, and was able to slowly add back a number of grains, vegetables, nuts and fruits. Lately, however, she's having a major episode and has already lost 10 pounds from her slim body. Her Liver enzymes which had improved dramatically are also going in the wrong direction. She reported having been kicked severely in the liver as a 12 year old and having had Hepatitis A about 30 years ago. Originally, she presented with a fairly normal looking tongue (an occasional hint of duskiness in the tongue body), a wiry Liver pulse and an extremely deficient Spleen pulse. Right now, there's no change in the tongue, but all the pulses, overall, are quite weak though they improve while she's getting a treatment. When she first came to me, she occasionally suffered from constipation. Presently, her stools are usually normal, but sometimes quite loose. She tends to wake during the night, a symptom which comes and goes depending on her level of worry about various things in her life. Herbs and essential oils are out of the question. Any suggestions? She was doing so well and I can't figure out why she's having such a relapse. Many thanks, Elizabeth Casey, L.Ac. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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