Melbourne Guasha practitioner? Guasha to reduce internal adhesions?

[Guest guest]

Hi Phil,

I've not heard of guasha being used to treat this sort of issue. While I don't

have a really strong knowledge of guasha, my massage background would lead me to

think that some other modality would be better suited to working abdominal

adhesions. Guasha seems to work best when there are fairly shallow adhesions, or

situations where pressure from the treatment can be exerted on underlying bony

structures (as in cross fiber friction massage). Simple massage, or perhaps

vigorous cupping would seem to be more applicable. There is also a few qigong

techniques that mobilize the abdominal contents, swimming dragon works fairly

well for intestinal adhesions, though I suspect it would not work as well in the

urogenital region. There's an OB-GYN here in Cambridge MA who works with a wide

variety of menstrual disorders from a mechanical/structural point of view,

focusing on psoas and pelvic floor musculature.

 

There is an excellent book of exercises and self treatments for increasing

awareness in the pelvic region:

 

The Female Pelvis Anatomy & Exercises (Paperback)

by Blandine Calais-Germain

a.. Paperback: 159 pages

a.. Publisher: Eastland Press; Illustrate edition (August 2003)

a.. Language: English

a.. ISBN: 0939616386

 

The author is the woman who wrote " Anatomy of Movement " which I have always

though highly of. The other book of pelvic oriented exercises is Eric Franklin's

" Pelvic Power " , which is more oriented to building core strength in high

performing dancers/athletes than resolving internal issues, but the exercises

are interesting and could possibly be helpful.

 

In this context, as with all TCM fertility treatment, if there are any menstrual

issues it would be good to see them resolved before considering, or expecting,

successful pregnancy.

 

Par Scott

 

 

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Pa-l ; Chinese Medicine

Cc: Traditional Chinese Herbal Medicine

Wednesday, October 11, 2006 6:07 AM

Melbourne Guasha practitioner? Guasha to reduce internal

adhesions?

 

 

Hi All,

 

Have any of you used GUASHA to resolve abdominal adhesions, such as

those involved in fallopian tubal obstruction?

 

What is your estimate of subsequent pregnancy rate and live-birth rate per

100 women with tubal obstruction treated with Guasha? I can find no hits on

that on Medline or Google.

 

Can you recommend an expert GUASHA practitioner in Melbourne?

I have a young infertile friend there, diagnosed with fallopian tubal

obstruction (total on left; partial on right). She has tried acupuncture and

TCM herbs without success.

 

Best regards,

 

[Guest guest]

Phil,

 

I am student of Jeffrey Yuen, he recommends Gua Sha for most things- the 'old'

doctors did gua sha as a matter of course. In one theory Gua Sha is done on the

'five holdings'- ie the collar- St 12 area, the SCM, paravertebrals, diaphragm,

pelvis, the idea is to do them sequentially- opening the neck first. Jeffrey

also recommends its use on Mu points: I have used it with great success in my

practice, and use it wherever it is indicated. I doubt you will find any of this

information online, it is from daoist and religious sources, as is most what

Jeffrey teaches that appears out of the norm-

 

hope this helps,

 

Sincerely,

 

David Appleton L.Ac.

 

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Pa-l ; Chinese Medicine

Cc: Traditional Chinese Herbal Medicine

Wednesday, October 11, 2006 5:07:21 AM

Melbourne Guasha practitioner? Guasha to reduce internal

adhesions?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Hi All,

 

 

 

Have any of you used GUASHA to resolve abdominal adhesions, such as

 

those involved in fallopian tubal obstruction?

 

 

 

What is your estimate of subsequent pregnancy rate and live-birth rate per

 

100 women with tubal obstruction treated with Guasha? I can find no hits on

 

that on Medline or Google.

 

 

 

Can you recommend an expert GUASHA practitioner in Melbourne?

 

I have a young infertile friend there, diagnosed with fallopian tubal

 

obstruction (total on left; partial on right). She has tried acupuncture and

 

TCM herbs without success.

 

 

 

Best regards,

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Hi All,

 

Have any of you used GUASHA to resolve abdominal adhesions, such as

those involved in fallopian tubal obstruction?

 

What is your estimate of subsequent pregnancy rate and live-birth rate per

100 women with tubal obstruction treated with Guasha? I can find no hits on

that on Medline or Google.

 

Can you recommend an expert GUASHA practitioner in Melbourne?

I have a young infertile friend there, diagnosed with fallopian tubal

obstruction (total on left; partial on right). She has tried acupuncture and

TCM herbs without success.

 

Best regards,

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Douglas-

the indications are the usual ones for Gua Sha- pain, restriction, history of

injury etc- also emotional trauma- the 'holding' areas are where the body

receives shock and trauma- the test is to press your finger and remove it, if

the circulation doesnt return instantanously then Sha might be present- you can

just scrape and see what comes up. Obviously in certain areas, GB22 area, for

example, it is not pleasant- but if you proceed slowly people can withstand it.

Arya Nielsen's video is an excellent visual source. I have many tools but prefer

baby food caps, they seem most comfortable and cheap enough to throw away. I

sterilize with 10% bleach solution. You can also gua sha the 'guo' fruiting

points of the sinew channels, to release sinew meridian issues.

 

David

 

 

 

 

Wednesday, October 11, 2006 1:51:02 PM

Re: Melbourne Guasha practitioner? Guasha to reduce internal

adhesions?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What are some of the indications? Does it vary in that sometimes it

is ST 12 area and

 

sometimes the pelvic area? I bought a new guasha bone yesterday so am curious.

 

doug

 

 

 

, david appleton <acuapple@.. .>

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> Phil,

 

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> I am student of Jeffrey Yuen, he recommends Gua Sha for most things- the 'old'

doctors

 

did gua sha as a matter of course. In one theory Gua Sha is done on the 'five

holdings'- ie

 

the collar- St 12 area, the SCM, paravertebrals, diaphragm, pelvis, the idea is

to do them

 

sequentially- opening the neck first. Jeffrey also recommends its use on Mu

points: I have

 

used it with great success in my practice, and use it wherever it is indicated.

I doubt you

 

will find any of this information online, it is from daoist and religious

sources, as is most

 

what Jeffrey teaches that appears out of the norm-

 

>

 

> hope this helps,

 

>

 

> Sincerely,

 

>

 

> David Appleton L.Ac.

 

>

 

> <@ ...>

 

> Pa-l ; Traditional_ Chinese_Medicine

 

> Cc: Traditional Chinese Herbal Medicine

 

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> What is your estimate of subsequent pregnancy rate and live-birth rate per

 

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> 100 women with tubal obstruction treated with Guasha? I can find no hits on

 

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> that on Medline or Google.

 

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> Can you recommend an expert GUASHA practitioner in Melbourne?

 

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> TCM herbs without success.

 

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[Guest guest]

I also use baby food caps. They have the most forgiving edge.

I have a dishwasher at my office and just clean them that way.

 

Cara O. Frank, R.Ac, Dipl Ac & Ch.H.

President China Herb Company of the Chinese Herb Program

Tai Sophia Institute of the Healing Arts

215-438-2977

Fax 215-849-3338

 

 

 

 

david appleton <acuapple

 

Wed, 11 Oct 2006 14:40:32 -0700 (PDT)

 

Re: Melbourne Guasha practitioner? Guasha to reduce internal

adhesions?

 

 

 

 

 

Douglas-

the indications are the usual ones for Gua Sha- pain, restriction, history

of injury etc- also emotional trauma- the 'holding' areas are where the body

receives shock and trauma- the test is to press your finger and remove it,

if the circulation doesnt return instantanously then Sha might be present-

you can just scrape and see what comes up. Obviously in certain areas, GB22

area, for example, it is not pleasant- but if you proceed slowly people can

withstand it. Arya Nielsen's video is an excellent visual source. I have

many tools but prefer baby food caps, they seem most comfortable and cheap

enough to throw away. I sterilize with 10% bleach solution. You can also gua

sha the 'guo' fruiting points of the sinew channels, to release sinew

meridian issues.

 

David

 

 

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Wednesday, October 11, 2006 1:51:02 PM

Re: Melbourne Guasha practitioner? Guasha to reduce internal

adhesions?

 

What are some of the indications? Does it vary in that sometimes it is ST 12

area and

 

sometimes the pelvic area? I bought a new guasha bone yesterday so am

curious.

 

doug

 

, david appleton <acuapple@.. .>

wrote:

 

>

 

> Phil,

 

>

 

> I am student of Jeffrey Yuen, he recommends Gua Sha for most things- the 'old'

doctors

 

did gua sha as a matter of course. In one theory Gua Sha is done on the

'five holdings'- ie

 

the collar- St 12 area, the SCM, paravertebrals, diaphragm, pelvis, the idea

is to do them

 

sequentially- opening the neck first. Jeffrey also recommends its use on Mu

points: I have

 

used it with great success in my practice, and use it wherever it is

indicated. I doubt you

 

will find any of this information online, it is from daoist and religious

sources, as is most

 

what Jeffrey teaches that appears out of the norm-

 

>

 

> hope this helps,

 

>

 

> Sincerely,

 

>

 

> David Appleton L.Ac.

 

>

 

> <@ ...>

 

> Pa-l ; Traditional_ Chinese_Medicine

 

> Cc: Traditional Chinese Herbal Medicine

 

> Wednesday, October 11, 2006 5:07:21 AM

 

> Melbourne Guasha practitioner? Guasha to reduce internal

adhesions?

 

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> Hi All,

 

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> Have any of you used GUASHA to resolve abdominal adhesions, such as

 

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> those involved in fallopian tubal obstruction?

 

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>

 

> What is your estimate of subsequent pregnancy rate and live-birth rate per

 

>

 

> 100 women with tubal obstruction treated with Guasha? I can find no hits on

 

>

 

> that on Medline or Google.

 

>

 

>

 

>

 

> Can you recommend an expert GUASHA practitioner in Melbourne?

 

>

 

> I have a young infertile friend there, diagnosed with fallopian tubal

 

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> obstruction (total on left; partial on right). She has tried acupuncture and

 

>

 

> TCM herbs without success.

 

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> Best regards,

 

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[Guest guest]

Off the top of my head, I think that Professor Wong might do Gua Sha.

You may have to investigate that further. Phone: +61 3 9489 2266. He

can be found at Traditional Clinic Pty. Ltd. 96-98

Union St. Northcote.

Regards,

Lea.

 

Chinese Medicine , " "

< wrote:

>

> Hi All,

>

> Have any of you used GUASHA to resolve abdominal adhesions,

such as

> those involved in fallopian tubal obstruction?

>

> What is your estimate of subsequent pregnancy rate and live-birth

rate per

> 100 women with tubal obstruction treated with Guasha? I can find no

hits on

> that on Medline or Google.

>

> Can you recommend an expert GUASHA practitioner in Melbourne?

> I have a young infertile friend there, diagnosed with fallopian tubal

> obstruction (total on left; partial on right). She has tried acupuncture

and

> TCM herbs without success.

>

> Best regards,

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Chinese Medicine , " "

< wrote:

>

> Hi All,

>

> Have any of you used GUASHA to resolve abdominal adhesions, such

as

> those involved in fallopian tubal obstruction?

>

> What is your estimate of subsequent pregnancy rate and live-birth

rate per

> 100 women with tubal obstruction treated with Guasha? I can find

no hits on

> that on Medline or Google.

>

> Can you recommend an expert GUASHA practitioner in Melbourne?

> I have a young infertile friend there, diagnosed with fallopian

tubal

> obstruction (total on left; partial on right). She has tried

acupuncture and

> TCM herbs without success.

>

> Best regards,

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Ecleea,

 

I wrote:

> Hi All, Have any of you used GUASHA to resolve abdominal adhesions,

> such as those involved in fallopian tubal obstruction? What is your

> estimate of subsequent pregnancy rate and live-birth rate per 100

> women with tubal obstruction treated with Guasha? I can find no hits

> on that on Medline or Google. Can you recommend an expert GUASHA

> practitioner in Melbourne? I have a young infertile friend there,

> diagnosed with fallopian tubal obstruction (total on left; partial on

> right). She has tried acupuncture and TCM herbs without success. Best

> regards,

 

" Ecleea " <physician replied:

> Hi Phil: Arya Nielsen], a well-known Guasha practitioner, recommends

> the following treatment for uterine fibroids, which would probably be

> helpful for the fallopian tubes also:

>

> Guasha the entire back to sacrum, starting at GV14 then moving to the

> Back Shu points on both sides of spine. On the front of patient Guasha

> CV17, CV12, and CV06. On the limbs, Guasha SP04 and PC06) to open

> Chongmai.

 

> Treatment should me twice a week for [up to] 2 years. Guasha will show

> you the troubled spots (like those scratch-card games that show you the

> winning number underneath). My recommendation is to needle all Guasha

> sites that have significant petechiae (Sha).

 

Ecleea, many thanks for that. I have passed your message to my friend in

Melbourne.

 

I have no doubt that regular and frequent Guasha by an expert could help

internally-

obstructed tunes to remodel to patent tubes over time.

 

However, I note that Arya Nielsen [ http://www.guasha.com/contactus.html ]

practices in

NY. I am looking still for a top-class Guasha practitioner in Melbourne.

 

Best regards,

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Thanks for your input in GuSha from Arya Neilson. I have had so much successs

using GuSha to get people out of pain more quickly and just in general to break

up any stagnation.

The only trouble is that my hand is hurting from doing it so much. Any

suggestions.

 

Anne

 

-------------- Original message ----------------------

" ecleea " <physician

> Chinese Medicine , " "

> < wrote:

> >

> > Hi All,

> >

> > Have any of you used GUASHA to resolve abdominal adhesions, such

> as

> > those involved in fallopian tubal obstruction?

> >

> > What is your estimate of subsequent pregnancy rate and live-birth

> rate per

> > 100 women with tubal obstruction treated with Guasha? I can find

> no hits on

> > that on Medline or Google.

> >

> > Can you recommend an expert GUASHA practitioner in Melbourne?

> > I have a young infertile friend there, diagnosed with fallopian

> tubal

> > obstruction (total on left; partial on right). She has tried

> acupuncture and

> > TCM herbs without success.

> >

> > Best regards,

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

On Friday 13 October 2006 20:04, anne.crowley wrote:

> Thanks for your input in GuSha from Arya Neilson. I have had so much

> successs using GuSha to get people out of pain more quickly and just in

> general to break up any stagnation. The only trouble is that my hand is

> hurting from doing it so much. Any suggestions.

 

Hi Anne!

 

Believe it or not, Gua Sha (the way they spelled it at my school). Perhaps

with Po Sum On oil.

 

Work the Ashi points on your hands, and perhaps needle your favorite pain

points. I use Du 20 for pain quite a bit.

 

Regards,

 

Pete.