NASA research caffeine and drugs on spiders

[Guest guest]

I would very sincerely like some feedback on the subject of

coffee and caffeine. The very respected person who posted this is

certainly not under my gun or in critique, but I think that this

subject, like cannabis, is deserving discussion with a very

dispassionate perspective. Homeopaths two hundred years ago

discovered interesting aspects of coffee: when roasted, it helped

with some deficiency diseases; it was analgesic; it antidotes many

toxins. Of course the perspective of the NASA research is nothing

new, cofee has been villified for about 500 years.

If any of our forum members can add to or refute Dr. Dharmananda,

it would be very helpful. I for one, want to know what is best

concerning the custom of coffee drinking, and I thank you all.

Here is our very respected Dr. Dharmananda, and following him,

will be Dr. Boericke on Homeopathic coffee:

Coffee In China and the Analysis of Coffee According to ...

and the Analysis of Coffee According to Traditional .

by Subhuti Dharmananda, Ph.D., Director, Institute for Traditional

Medicine, Portland, ...

www.itmonline.org/arts/coffee.htm - ;

Homeopathic Materia Medica: Coffee. by William Boericke, M.D.

* Coff *

[Guest guest]

I don't know if this article answers you questions, but it is very

interesting:

http://www.itmonline.org/arts/coffee.htm

 

 

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Oasis Acupuncture

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Chinese Medicine

Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of robb

thurston

Sunday, October 08, 2006 2:55 PM

Chinese Medicine

NASA research caffeine and drugs on spiders

 

 

 

I would very sincerely like some feedback on the subject of

coffee and caffeine. The very respected person who posted this is

certainly not under my gun or in critique, but I think that this

subject, like cannabis, is deserving discussion with a very

dispassionate perspective. Homeopaths two hundred years ago

discovered interesting aspects of coffee: when roasted, it helped

with some deficiency diseases; it was analgesic; it antidotes many

toxins. Of course the perspective of the NASA research is nothing

new, cofee has been villified for about 500 years.

If any of our forum members can add to or refute Dr. Dharmananda,

it would be very helpful. I for one, want to know what is best

concerning the custom of coffee drinking, and I thank you all.

Here is our very respected Dr. Dharmananda, and following him,

will be Dr. Boericke on Homeopathic coffee:

Coffee In China and the Analysis of Coffee According to ...

and the Analysis of Coffee According to Traditional .

by Subhuti Dharmananda, Ph.D., Director, Institute for Traditional

Medicine, Portland, ...

www.itmonline.org/arts/coffee.htm - ;

Homeopathic Materia Medica: Coffee. by William Boericke, M.D.

* Coff *

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

I have found from my experience with pulse diagnosis, that, for most people,

caffeine/

coffee causes agitation to the Heart, and is depleting to the Kidneys. In a

sense, it forces a

conversion of Kidney energy into a more " useable " energy, thus leaving one more

depleted

afterwards. Often that conversion is destabilizing as it causes a rush, i.e.,

converted too

quickly to be handled in a more balanced way. That quick conversion may be said

by

some to be a release of Liver qi, but in my opinion, that is not the big

picture.

 

Of course, that's not to say anything is " bad. " It all depends on what

treatment in

necessary. Most patients that I see could definitely use to have their Liver qi

regulated,

but not at the cost of their Heart and Kidneys. And most people abuse

coffee/caffeine on

a daily basis. Used appropriately in a patient with strong Kidneys and stable

Heart,

probably not such a big deal. The issue is abuse and constitution.

 

Would love also to hear others' experience,

Ross

 

Chinese Medicine , " robb thurston "

<robb7thurston wrote:

>

>

> If any of our forum members can add to or refute Dr. Dharmananda,

> it would be very helpful. I for one, want to know what is best

> concerning the custom of coffee drinking, and I thank you all.

>

[Guest guest]

I am putting my two cents in as an avid coffee lover and lover of all

the rich bounties that Mother Earth has given us to enjoy. You'll

have to forive me if I talk in absolutes... I just wanted to get the

post out. I do think that for some people, coffee should be avoided

while others can partake of a shot or three of high quality organic

coffee...

 

I had a brief scan of the original link posted but was there any

mention where the caffeine was sourced from?

 

How can one abuse coffee at work for instance? Is it supplied by the

company? If so, in my not so brief corporate experience, this tends

to be the cheapest type of instant coffee granules. That means that

self dosage is one aspect and being able to have multiple cups is the

next.

 

I bet you won't find many people (except for my husband) who'd take

trouble to find a coffee shop that sourced and roasted their own beans

organic, fair trade beans and then pay for the same number of cups

they would normally have in the office (ie if overconsumption was the

issue).

 

And if, in the experiments, caffeine as a chemical compound was used,

then it's arrogant to think that we could even mimic the synergistic

effect of coffee in it's original form. It's a bit like saying

Vitamin C in tablet form is the same and as good as getting it from

the high quality organic foods grown in the earth...

 

As with most studies related to the harm or benefits of food that

ingested, a missing link is the vibrational aspects of that food.

Another is the fact that, metabolically speaking, we are not the same,

we are unique.

 

It isn't taken into account because it's just another far out

theory... but if you're interested in pursuing this aspect further

read Masaru Emoto's books, starting with Hidden Messages in Water.

 

I think I'll pop off and make myself another coffee from my Italian

Espresso machine Mmmmmmmmmmm.

[Guest guest]

Rossana Lowgren (Tue, 10 Oct 2006 23:02:22 0000) mentioned the factor

of the source of coffee.

 

Another factor is method of brewing. An article in Scientific

American magazine (several years ago) pointed out that, on the basis

of spectrographical analysis, various chemical constituents of the

coffee bean leech out at various times during brewing. In particular,

the more tasty aspects come out rather quickly, and the less

appealing, e.g. bitter, stuff comes out later.

 

Now the author of the article was the CEO of an Italian

coffee-machine manufacturer, and grandson of the inventor of the

espresso machine, so some bias might have been at play here. But many

coffee fans will attest to the significantly superior flavor of

espresso brewing (rapidly, using high pressure hot water). And then

there's the taste of the coffee in, for instance, an ethnic

restaurant where coffee isn't part of the native cuisine from a pot

that may have been sitting around at a simmer for hours, even days.

 

Perhaps some Chinese herbs would also benefit from espresso brewing?

 

 

 

 

[Guest guest]

Rossana Lowgren (Tue, 10 Oct 2006 23:02:22 0000) mentioned the factor

of the source of coffee:

 

One of my patients (who has Fibromyalgia and has no ill effects from this

when she did with regular coffee) had me try a new coffee on the market called

ganocafe.

 

I am offering it to my patients because of the ingredients and low caffeine.

 

The problem with using coffee with Homeopathics is not the caffeine it is the

oil in the coffee bean. But for those insisting on drinking coffee this

tastes really good to me.

A regular cup of coffee has 150 mg of caffeine. Decaf has 50 mg and ganocafe

has 10 mg along with the reishi mushroom benefits. Their chocolate from

Switzerland and Germany has 0 mg of caffeine.

 

It is an organically grown arabica coffee beans blended with organically

grown Ganoderma Lucidum. The smooth taste is a result of cold processing that

produces a coffee very low in caffeine and very little acidity.

 

It might be an MLS (I think) altho we never discussed that part. I do not

wish to spam the list so anyone interested please take it offline and private to

me if you would like some more info that I have. So far I am not using it as a

multi level system or whatever it is called.

 

Another product found in our health food stores down here is called Teechino

and herbal coffee taste with no coffee bean. Made with carob, barley, chicory,

dates, figs and almonds. I usually serve this or Green tea to my patients.

I find even those who insist on using sweetener in their coffee will reduce

the amount when drinking Teechino. I also find I can't make it appear much

lighter using Soy Milk and so now I just drink it black.

 

Best,

Sunny