Guest guest Posted September 17, 2006 Report Share Posted September 17, 2006 Does anyone know about possible pathology wherein the ileo-secal value remains open? And treatment approaches for such? A patient has some discomfort in the area (LRQ), and suspects this. I know that some backup in the pouch proximal to the valve is often encountered, with slight distention in the area. This is probably involved when the appendix gets infected, as it branches off from there. But I can't find anything illuminating in the Merck Manual (popular MD reference handbook in the USA). PubMed finds 1251 entries under 'ileo saecal', 253 with 'open', but mostly appears to deal with complications of surgery or developmental conditions in infants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2006 Report Share Posted September 17, 2006 Hi Chris - How are you these days? I have much clinical experience with this 'syndrome' which comes from chiropractic circles. Ileocecal problems are often related to autonomic nervous system disorders. This would be correlated with liver-spleen disharmonies. I use 'visceral manipulation' over the valve area where there is a mild stretching of the skin and fascia to increase propreoception. The valve is in the trajectory of the dai , liver and spleen channels. Will Morris Chinese Medicine , < wrote: > > Does anyone know about possible pathology wherein the ileo-secal > value remains open? And treatment approaches for such? > > A patient has some discomfort in the area (LRQ), and suspects this. > > I know that some backup in the pouch proximal to the valve is often > encountered, with slight distention in the area. This is probably > involved when the appendix gets infected, as it branches off from there. > > But I can't find anything illuminating in the Merck Manual (popular > MD reference handbook in the USA). PubMed finds 1251 entries under > 'ileo saecal', 253 with 'open', but mostly appears to deal with > complications of surgery or developmental conditions in infants. > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2006 Report Share Posted September 17, 2006 Hi, dunno about pathology, but I do know that there are simple kinesiology procedures for ascertaining if there's a problem, and if so, there's a relatively simple massage-like procedure to fix it - I've got notes on it somewhere and can (sortoflike) do it myself. If no-one else on-list comes up with the procedures, I'll dig mine out Might take a bit of looking). Some (many?) UK osteopaths can deal with this - its been done on me twice, at least. stephen > Does anyone know about possible pathology wherein the ileo-secal > value remains open? And treatment approaches for such? > > A patient has some discomfort in the area (LRQ), and suspects this. > > I know that some backup in the pouch proximal to the valve is often > encountered, with slight distention in the area. This is probably > involved when the appendix gets infected, as it branches off from there. > > But I can't find anything illuminating in the Merck Manual (popular > MD reference handbook in the USA). PubMed finds 1251 entries under > 'ileo saecal', 253 with 'open', but mostly appears to deal with > complications of surgery or developmental conditions in infants. > > > > > > Subscribe to the new FREE online journal for TCM at Times > http://www.chinesemedicinetimes.com > > Download the all new TCM Forum Toolbar, click, > http://toolbar.thebizplace.com/LandingPage.aspx/CT145145 > > > and adjust > accordingly. > > Messages are the property of the author. Any duplication outside the group > requires prior permission from the author. > > Please consider the environment and only print this message if absolutely > necessary. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2006 Report Share Posted September 17, 2006 >>Does anyone know about possible pathology wherein the ileo-secal valve remains open? And treatment approaches for such? . . .<< One of the little known contributions to ORIENTAL medicine (derivative, like ORIENTAL rugs) from AK people is a reflex technique to exercise the ileo-secal valve. Have the patient alternately: palm - contact bilateral gastrocs (calves) for a few seconds, followed by grasping the medial yin bian jiao (fingers contacting mid-sole of the foot). One position is open and the other closed; I don't remember which, and I have no idea why it works. Follow with whatever you do to source and treat adverse food reactions (gluten, etc.) Joe Reid jreidomd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2006 Report Share Posted September 19, 2006 Sun, 17 Sep 2006 19:04:14 +0100, stephenmacallan wrote: >>…there's a relatively simple massage-like procedure to fix it… Anything you might be able to recall about that would be of interest to me. My patient briefly showed me what she was taught by some chiropracter or homeopath to push deep and up from the RLQ up towards the RUQ (presumably along the path of the ascending colon, and also from the ULQ down towards the LLQ (the path of the descending colon). To me this would appear a could technique for promoting peristalsis in the colon, but it could be also pushing contents of the end of the small intestine upwards, away from the ileo-saecal valve. Sun, 17 Sep 2006 18:54:18 0000, " jreidomd " <jreidomd wrote: >>One of the little known contributions to ORIENTAL medicine (derivative, like ORIENTAL rugs) from AK people is a reflex technique to exercise the ileo-secal valve. Have the patient alternately: palm - contact bilateral gastrocs (calves) for a few seconds, followed by grasping the medial yin bian jiao (fingers contacting mid-sole of the foot). One position is open and the other closed; I don't remember which, and I have no idea why it works. I would think pressure on the back of the calves might associate with a closing effect, as it might cause a flexing of the plantar aspect of the foot. While massaging the bottom of the foot (yin bian jiao?) might cause an opening effect on the foot, like that reflex in cats paws where pressure around the central pad causes a spreading of the cat's paw. Any more detail on these issues would be appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2006 Report Share Posted September 19, 2006 The last thing I can say is it's not pressure or massage, just touch / contact. yin bian jiao clarifies the medial side of the foot to grasp as fingers reach to contact mid-sole; this is probably the open position - but it really doesn't matter - it's just an exercise. Quick localized stroking of the abdomen in whatever direction is usually only for the purpose of eliciting / identifying a temporary response - (I call it a snapshot of relativity). If response-testing methodologies give your brain (or conscience) conundrums, then maybe liver-spleen dysharmony is more helpful info. joe reid jreidomd.blogspot.com >> wrote:I would think pressure on the back of the calves might associate with a closing effect, as it might cause a flexing of the plantar aspect of the foot. While massaging the bottom of the foot (yin bian jiao?) might cause an opening effect on the foot, like that reflex in cats paws where pressure around the central pad causes a spreading of the cat's paw.Any more detail on these issues would be appreciated<< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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