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97810 = acuuncture CPT code

 

--- clothoatropos <eastdakota wrote:

 

> Hi everyone,

>

> I'm new to insurance billing - in fact I don't bill

> to insurance but

> instead give my patients a receipt that they can

> send to their own

> insurance company.

>

> I have a patient who is having trouble claiming my

> first visit

> because the CPT code I used was not specific enough

> to acupuncture.

>

> What do those of you who bill to insurance use as

> your CPT code for

> the first visit? I have the codes for " initial 15

> minutes "

> and " additional 15 minutes " for acupuncture, but

> this does not cover

> the hour I spend at the initial office visit. Any

> ideas? I know most

> insurance companies limit the number of codes they

> allow you to bill

> for in any one treatment.

>

> Any advice would be much appreciated.

>

> Thank you!

> Nadia

>

> Nadia E. Haddad, MS, L.Ac

> The Healing Tree

> Boulder, CO

>

>

>

>

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99201, 99202, 99203, 99204, 99205 = codes for patient evaluation, from least

complicated to most

 

also, on your receipt, you should have your federal e.i.n. number and your state

license number

 

insurance companies usually want one or more diagnostic codes that relate to the

condition you're treating

 

you can also type something like " acupuncture insurance billing codes " into your

search engine and visit the various websites to learn more

 

 

 

-

Aviv Li Stein

Chinese Medicine

Thursday, September 07, 2006 1:45 AM

Re: CPT codes for first visit

 

 

97810 = acuuncture CPT code

 

--- clothoatropos <eastdakota wrote:

 

> Hi everyone,

>

> I'm new to insurance billing - in fact I don't bill

> to insurance but

> instead give my patients a receipt that they can

> send to their own

> insurance company.

>

> I have a patient who is having trouble claiming my

> first visit

> because the CPT code I used was not specific enough

> to acupuncture.

>

> What do those of you who bill to insurance use as

> your CPT code for

> the first visit? I have the codes for " initial 15

> minutes "

> and " additional 15 minutes " for acupuncture, but

> this does not cover

> the hour I spend at the initial office visit. Any

> ideas? I know most

> insurance companies limit the number of codes they

> allow you to bill

> for in any one treatment.

>

> Any advice would be much appreciated.

>

> Thank you!

> Nadia

>

> Nadia E. Haddad, MS, L.Ac

> The Healing Tree

> Boulder, CO

>

>

>

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Nadia,

 

The new cpt codes allow us to bill for therapy in increments so your initial

could be billed as 1 unit 97810 (first 15 minutes) and then 2 or3 units of 97811

depending upon what you did and the time used. You might also have done some

massage that could be additionally billed at 97124, depending upon time and

billed in units. These units tend to cover 10-15 minute intervals. You can

also bill for initial consultation but then the insurance companies seem to be

challenging us on this. There might be reimbursement issues because of your

state statutes and how LAc are recognized for insurance in your state. You

might need to update your fee schedule as well. Hope this helps. Let me know

if you have more questions. Mike W. Bowser, L Ac

 

 

: lizzzrd:

Thu, 7 Sep 2006 08:20:32 -0400Re: CPT codes for first visit

 

 

 

 

99201, 99202, 99203, 99204, 99205 = codes for patient evaluation, from least

complicated to mostalso, on your receipt, you should have your federal e.i.n.

number and your state license numberinsurance companies usually want one or more

diagnostic codes that relate to the condition you're treating you can also type

something like " acupuncture insurance billing codes " into your search engine and

visit the various websites to learn more- Aviv

Li Stein Chinese Medicine Thursday,

September 07, 2006 1:45 AMRe: CPT codes for first visit97810 =

acuuncture CPT code--- clothoatropos <eastdakota wrote:> Hi

everyone,> > I'm new to insurance billing - in fact I don't bill> to insurance

but > instead give my patients a receipt that they can> send to their own >

insurance company.> > I have a patient who is having trouble claiming my> first

visit > because the CPT code I used was not specific enough> to acupuncture.> >

What do those of you who bill to insurance use as> your CPT code for > the first

visit? I have the codes for " initial 15> minutes " > and " additional 15 minutes "

for acupuncture, but> this does not cover > the hour I spend at the initial

office visit. Any> ideas? I know most > insurance companies limit the number of

codes they> allow you to bill > for in any one treatment.> > Any advice would be

much appreciated.> > Thank you!> Nadia> > Nadia E. Haddad, MS, L.Ac> The Healing

Tree> Boulder, CO> > > >

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Those are physician-only codes, may only be billed by DC, DO, MD, etc.

 

Avery

 

Liz <lizzzrd wrote:

99201, 99202, 99203, 99204, 99205 = codes for patient evaluation, from

least complicated to most

 

also, on your receipt, you should have your federal e.i.n. number and your state

license number

 

insurance companies usually want one or more diagnostic codes that relate to the

condition you're treating

 

you can also type something like " acupuncture insurance billing codes " into your

search engine and visit the various websites to learn more

 

-

Aviv Li Stein

Chinese Medicine

Thursday, September 07, 2006 1:45 AM

Re: CPT codes for first visit

 

97810 = acuuncture CPT code

 

--- clothoatropos <eastdakota wrote:

 

> Hi everyone,

>

> I'm new to insurance billing - in fact I don't bill

> to insurance but

> instead give my patients a receipt that they can

> send to their own

> insurance company.

>

> I have a patient who is having trouble claiming my

> first visit

> because the CPT code I used was not specific enough

> to acupuncture.

>

> What do those of you who bill to insurance use as

> your CPT code for

> the first visit? I have the codes for " initial 15

> minutes "

> and " additional 15 minutes " for acupuncture, but

> this does not cover

> the hour I spend at the initial office visit. Any

> ideas? I know most

> insurance companies limit the number of codes they

> allow you to bill

> for in any one treatment.

>

> Any advice would be much appreciated.

>

> Thank you!

> Nadia

>

> Nadia E. Haddad, MS, L.Ac

> The Healing Tree

> Boulder, CO

>

>

>

>

 

 

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Hi Avery, Maybe it's different state to state. I'm in New York and my patients

haven't had any problems. Of course, I don't actually take insurance, but a

number of my patients turn in my receipts, with the codes, to be reimbursed.

Peace, Liz

 

-

Avery Jenkins

Chinese Medicine

Thursday, September 07, 2006 1:50 PM

Re: CPT codes for first visit

 

 

Those are physician-only codes, may only be billed by DC, DO, MD, etc.

 

Avery

 

Liz <lizzzrd wrote:

99201, 99202, 99203, 99204, 99205 = codes for patient evaluation, from least

complicated to most

 

also, on your receipt, you should have your federal e.i.n. number and your

state license number

 

insurance companies usually want one or more diagnostic codes that relate to

the condition you're treating

 

you can also type something like " acupuncture insurance billing codes " into

your search engine and visit the various websites to learn more

 

-

Aviv Li Stein

Chinese Medicine

Thursday, September 07, 2006 1:45 AM

Re: CPT codes for first visit

 

97810 = acuuncture CPT code

 

--- clothoatropos <eastdakota wrote:

 

> Hi everyone,

>

> I'm new to insurance billing - in fact I don't bill

> to insurance but

> instead give my patients a receipt that they can

> send to their own

> insurance company.

>

> I have a patient who is having trouble claiming my

> first visit

> because the CPT code I used was not specific enough

> to acupuncture.

>

> What do those of you who bill to insurance use as

> your CPT code for

> the first visit? I have the codes for " initial 15

> minutes "

> and " additional 15 minutes " for acupuncture, but

> this does not cover

> the hour I spend at the initial office visit. Any

> ideas? I know most

> insurance companies limit the number of codes they

> allow you to bill

> for in any one treatment.

>

> Any advice would be much appreciated.

>

> Thank you!

> Nadia

>

> Nadia E. Haddad, MS, L.Ac

> The Healing Tree

> Boulder, CO

>

>

>

>

 

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Do you know any codes for herbs? Can they be billed?

Lee Tritt

 

Chinese Medicine

Chinese MedicineOn Behalf Of mike

Bowser

Thursday, September 07, 2006 12:12 PM

Liz

RE: CPT codes for first visit

 

 

Nadia,

 

The new cpt codes allow us to bill for therapy in increments so your

initial could be billed as 1 unit 97810 (first 15 minutes) and then 2 or3

units of 97811 depending upon what you did and the time used. You might also

have done some massage that could be additionally billed at 97124, depending

upon time and billed in units. These units tend to cover 10-15 minute

intervals. You can also bill for initial consultation but then the insurance

companies seem to be challenging us on this. There might be reimbursement

issues because of your state statutes and how LAc are recognized for

insurance in your state. You might need to update your fee schedule as well.

Hope this helps. Let me know if you have more questions. Mike W. Bowser, L

Ac

 

:

lizzzrd: Thu, 7 Sep 2006 08:20:32 -0400Re: TCM -

CPT codes for first visit

 

99201, 99202, 99203, 99204, 99205 = codes for patient evaluation, from

least complicated to mostalso, on your receipt, you should have your federal

e.i.n. number and your state license numberinsurance companies usually want

one or more diagnostic codes that relate to the condition you're treating

you can also type something like " acupuncture insurance billing codes " into

your search engine and visit the various websites to learn more-----

Original Message ----- Aviv Li Stein To:

Chinese Medicine Thursday, September 07,

2006 1:45 AMRe: CPT codes for first visit97810 = acuuncture

CPT code--- clothoatropos <eastdakota wrote:> Hi everyone,> >

I'm new to insurance billing - in fact I don't bill> to insurance but >

instead give my patients a receipt that they c

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Nadia,

 

 

 

On a first visit, you can bill 99201 which is for evaluation and management.

Off-hand, I'm not sure how much " time " this code is for, but I typically use

it unless a case is very complex. The numbers range from 99201-99205. The

first visit is the only time you can use this code.

 

 

 

Return visits with new conditions (and I only add this to my 97810 and 97811

acupuncture codes if I haven't seen the patient in more than a year and they

have a new condition which requires extensive re-evaluation) is 97211.

 

 

 

I have never had a denial for the 99201 code (unless a HMO that I am

contracted with has already stated they will not pay).

 

 

 

Yes, they are " physician-only " codes but they still pay. I'm in the state

of Washington, so perhaps that has something to do with it.

 

 

 

Good luck.

 

 

 

Barb

 

 

 

_____

 

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Chinese Medicine On Behalf Of

clothoatropos

Wednesday, September 06, 2006 10:26 PM

Chinese Medicine

CPT codes for first visit

 

 

 

Hi everyone,

 

I'm new to insurance billing - in fact I don't bill to insurance but

instead give my patients a receipt that they can send to their own

insurance company.

 

I have a patient who is having trouble claiming my first visit

because the CPT code I used was not specific enough to acupuncture.

 

What do those of you who bill to insurance use as your CPT code for

the first visit? I have the codes for " initial 15 minutes "

and " additional 15 minutes " for acupuncture, but this does not cover

the hour I spend at the initial office visit. Any ideas? I know most

insurance companies limit the number of codes they allow you to bill

for in any one treatment.

 

Any advice would be much appreciated.

 

Thank you!

Nadia

 

Nadia E. Haddad, MS, L.Ac

The Healing Tree

Boulder, CO

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Herbs are not billable for insurance reimbursement. Mike W. Bowser, L Ac

 

 

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Thu, 7 Sep 2006 19:22:21 -0400RE: CPT codes for first visit

 

 

 

 

Do you know any codes for herbs? Can they be billed?Lee Tritt-----Original

Message-----

Chinese Medicine [Chinese Medicine\

@]On Behalf Of mikeBowserThursday, September 07, 2006 12:12

PMLizRE: CPT codes for first visitNadia,The new cpt codes

allow us to bill for therapy in increments so yourinitial could be billed as 1

unit 97810 (first 15 minutes) and then 2 or3units of 97811 depending upon what

you did and the time used. You might alsohave done some massage that could be

additionally billed at 97124, dependingupon time and billed in units. These

units tend to cover 10-15 minuteintervals. You can also bill for initial

consultation but then the insurancecompanies seem to be challenging us on this.

There might be reimbursementissues because of your state statutes and how LAc

are recognized forinsurance in your state. You might need to update your fee

schedule as well.Hope this helps. Let me know if you have more questions. Mike

W. Bowser, LAcTo:

Chinese Medicine:lizzzrd: Thu,

7 Sep 2006 08:20:32 -0400Re: TCM -CPT codes for first visit99201,

99202, 99203, 99204, 99205 = codes for patient evaluation, fromleast complicated

to mostalso, on your receipt, you should have your federale.i.n. number and your

state license numberinsurance companies usually wantone or more diagnostic codes

that relate to the condition you're treatingyou can also type something like

" acupuncture insurance billing codes " intoyour search engine and visit the

various websites to learn more-----Original Message ----- Aviv Li Stein

To:Chinese Medicine Thursday, September

07,2006 1:45 AMRe: CPT codes for first visit97810 = acuunctureCPT

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insurance billing - in fact I don't bill> to insurance but >instead give my

patients a receipt that they

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>> On a first visit, you can bill 99201 which is for evaluation and

management. Off-hand, I'm not sure how much " time " this code is for,

but I typically use it unless a case is very complex. <<

***

Some thoughts on this:

If you practise in a state that does not require either prior

Physician diagnosis, or prior Physician Dx plus referral, (note:

Referral for an Acupuncture specialty consult is a different matter),

then logic compels you to provide Evaluation and Management service

before initiating Treatment.

Professional conduct requires learning the system that you are

interfacing with, at the most basic level to meet minimum standards of

public safety.

CPT 99201 is defined as a new outpatient visit with a guideline

approximate face-time of 10 minutes, but more importantly a

Problem-focused Hx and Exam,Straightforward Decision-Making, and a

SELF-LIMITED or MINOR presenting problem. You don't do the profession

any favors by feeding into an information database that all your

acupuncture patients fit these criteria, but at least that's better

than giving the impression that Tx doesn't require any Eval.

Practise management should not be taught by insurance reps,IMO.

Joe Reid

jreidomd.blogspot.com

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