Chuan Bei Mu

[Guest guest]

It's gotten expensive. Is anyone substituting? if so, what do you use? Tain Hua

Fen?

 

Thanks

[Guest guest]

Hi Gabrielle,

I work for a Chinese herb company. We usually sub. Zhe Bei mu, which is

also bitter, cold and enters the heart, lung channels (zang). Of course,

Chuan bei mu is better for chronic def. issues. new bensky pgs 379-383.

 

Tian hua fen can be a substitution if it is a lung issue, with less of the

transforming phlegm action.

As you know, Tian hua fen is the root of Trichosanthes kirilowii.

Derived from the same plant is Gua luo shi (fruit), Gua luo pi (peel only)

and Gua luo ren (seed).

All of these may be useful for your patient's condition, depending on the

diagnosis- new bensky pgs 383-389.

 

For formulas, Bei mu gua luo san is useful for the combination of yin def.

in the lungs, heat and hard to expectorate sputum Bensky/ Barolet formulas

book pgs. 439-440. It contains bei mu, gua luo and tian hua fen,

the herbs in question..

 

**** Possibly a small dose of honey along with Zhe bei mu, may help with the

lung moistening action.

However, Honey is warming and a tablespoon or more can definitely create

dampness.

In Korean medicine, honey is contraindicated with wind-heat conditions.

Maybe, you could zhi chao (honey fry) the zhe bei mu to help guide the herb

and enhance its moistening function without creating more dampness.

Has anyone tried this before?

 

**** Another idea is adding zhi mu to zhe bei mu... look at the formula " er

mu san " bensky formulas pg. 440.

Zhi mu clears heat, while enriching yin and moistening dryness. Along with

zhe bei mu, this may be an effective combination for your intention.

 

Finally, I know for this kind of lung yin def. syndrome with heat and damp

congestion,

the most effective remedy I've found is h halved pears with Chuan Bei Mu

or Zhe bei mu powder scooped into the middle of it with a little honey and

baked until moist.

Also, apple juice helps and for some reason, avocadoes (experiential) .

 

Anyhow, I'd like to hear other suggestions...

 

 

 

 

 

On 8/14/06, gabriellemathieu <gabriellemathieu wrote:

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> It's gotten expensive. Is anyone substituting? if so, what do you use?

> Tain Hua Fen?

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> Thanks

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[Guest guest]

Use zhe bei mu. Tian hua fen is not a good substitute.

 

 

 

Bart Paulding, LAc

 

 

 

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Chuan Bei Mu

 

 

 

It's gotten expensive. Is anyone substituting? if so, what do you use? Tain

Hua Fen?

 

Thanks