Guest guest Posted August 10, 2006 Report Share Posted August 10, 2006 I have a patient who eyes change color frequently during the day from green to blue to brown. He also states that they can be half one color and one half another color. His wife was the first to notice this. His liver pulse is soft and the overall quality of his pulse is slippery. Under pressure it dissipates. He presents with fatigue. The changing eye color is something he has always been curious about. He is 38, no outstanding pathology and in good physical health aside from Spleen Qi Xu signs. He had considerable emotional upheaval in his teenage years. His tongue is a classic spleen qi xu tongue. I am just curious what the thoughts would be concerning the changing eye color. Michelle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 10, 2006 Report Share Posted August 10, 2006 Hi Michelle, Rapid changes in eye color as well as other physical characteristics, affects and behaviors are sometimes associated with multiple personality disorder, though from your brief description, this doesn't sound like your patient. I have witnessed dramatic permanent changes in eye color in my years of practicing iridology, after extensivel use of herbs to detox from parasites, and other intestinal cleansing herbs. My teacher's eyes, over a period of years, changed from such a deep black her pupils could not be distinguished from her irises, to deep brown, orangey brown, and then finally green when I last saw her. She had a very bad intestinal parasite infection. Michelle Solomon <michelle wrote: I have a patient who eyes change color frequently during the day from green to blue to brown. He also states that they can be half one color and one half another color. His wife was the first to notice this. His liver pulse is soft and the overall quality of his pulse is slippery. Under pressure it dissipates. He presents with fatigue. The changing eye color is something he has always been curious about. He is 38, no outstanding pathology and in good physical health aside from Spleen Qi Xu signs. He had considerable emotional upheaval in his teenage years. His tongue is a classic spleen qi xu tongue. I am just curious what the thoughts would be concerning the changing eye color. Michelle How low will we go? Check out Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2006 Report Share Posted August 11, 2006 From what I remember of studying iridology, classically, there are only two " true " colours " true blue " and " true brown " and other colours can be a " true " colour with an an overlying yellow colour etc. Such as in the case of green eyes, often being blue overlaid with yellow. (Personally though, I think that you need to take into account genetic background, as I have often seen green and blended coloured irises in people of mixed ancestry, such as dutch- indonesian or australian aboriginal-caucasian etc) In most people of european ancestry you will see some blue fibres in brown eyes, as there is blue ancestry there somewhere in their heritage, and these types of iris can change colour over time, depending on lifestyle etc, to become more blue. The colour is apparantly an indicator of metabolic function, as well as emotional function. So, for example if you go on a bit of an alcoholic bender one night, the next day, (along with bloodshot eyes), you will also see a yellowish grey iris film over their eyes, until their metabolisms can deal with the toxin load. Generally peoples metabolisms manages to adjust so that a change in the iris isnt seen after every heavy dinner or slight viral infection etc, and so usually there is no hugely discernible change. Generally colour changes occur more slowly over time, but often in the case of trauma you will see an instant change. (Ive seen this in my own iris after wisdom teeth extractions, and the more traumatic the incident, the more immediately discernible the change.) I have also seen irises that have changed colour from blue to a paler / whitish colour, instantly and transiently during times of heightened emotions. In some, more emotional people, you may not need to have a slow physical change to see colour changes, some people can develop, for example, a brown patch over the liver area due to feeling terribly guilty etc about eating poorly, even if the liver itself is not underfunctioning yet. I could theorize a bit about what the spectrum of colour changes means in your patient, but as I dont actively practice iridology (I studied it, but dont really use it), I'll not get too tangential for now. Interesting about the multiple personality disorder changing eye colour....you never know.... I have also been told that in dogs, if they have two different eye colours (one blue and one brown) its often associated with deafness. But thats not helpfull at all is it? Lea. > > > Michelle Solomon <michelle wrote: > I have a patient who eyes change color frequently during the day from > green to blue to brown. He also states that they can be half one > color and one half another color. His wife was the first to notice > this. His liver pulse is soft and the overall quality of his pulse is > slippery. Under pressure it dissipates. He presents with fatigue. > The changing eye color is something he has always been curious about. > > He is 38, no outstanding pathology and in good physical health aside > from Spleen Qi Xu signs. He had considerable emotional upheaval in > his teenage years. His tongue is a classic spleen qi xu tongue. > > I am just curious what the thoughts would be concerning the changing > eye color. > > Michelle > How low will we go? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2006 Report Share Posted August 11, 2006 This is all very interesting. R, the patient, is a very stoic and quiet person. He rarely expresses emotion. His mother passed away when he was 13 and his father subsequently left him with relatives for several years - essentially abandoning him. So it is quite possible that there is some sort of personality disorder; however, he is fully functioning (at least from what I can tell and have been told). Thank you for all your inputs. M - Lea Starck Chinese Medicine Thursday, August 10, 2006 9:08 PM Re: Changing eye color From what I remember of studying iridology, classically, there are only two " true " colours " true blue " and " true brown " and other colours can be a " true " colour with an an overlying yellow colour etc. Such as in the case of green eyes, often being blue overlaid with yellow. (Personally though, I think that you need to take into account genetic background, as I have often seen green and blended coloured irises in people of mixed ancestry, such as dutch- indonesian or australian aboriginal-caucasian etc) In most people of european ancestry you will see some blue fibres in brown eyes, as there is blue ancestry there somewhere in their heritage, and these types of iris can change colour over time, depending on lifestyle etc, to become more blue. The colour is apparantly an indicator of metabolic function, as well as emotional function. So, for example if you go on a bit of an alcoholic bender one night, the next day, (along with bloodshot eyes), you will also see a yellowish grey iris film over their eyes, until their metabolisms can deal with the toxin load. Generally peoples metabolisms manages to adjust so that a change in the iris isnt seen after every heavy dinner or slight viral infection etc, and so usually there is no hugely discernible change. Generally colour changes occur more slowly over time, but often in the case of trauma you will see an instant change. (Ive seen this in my own iris after wisdom teeth extractions, and the more traumatic the incident, the more immediately discernible the change.) I have also seen irises that have changed colour from blue to a paler / whitish colour, instantly and transiently during times of heightened emotions. In some, more emotional people, you may not need to have a slow physical change to see colour changes, some people can develop, for example, a brown patch over the liver area due to feeling terribly guilty etc about eating poorly, even if the liver itself is not underfunctioning yet. I could theorize a bit about what the spectrum of colour changes means in your patient, but as I dont actively practice iridology (I studied it, but dont really use it), I'll not get too tangential for now. Interesting about the multiple personality disorder changing eye colour....you never know.... I have also been told that in dogs, if they have two different eye colours (one blue and one brown) its often associated with deafness. But thats not helpfull at all is it? Lea. > > > Michelle Solomon <michelle wrote: > I have a patient who eyes change color frequently during the day from > green to blue to brown. He also states that they can be half one > color and one half another color. His wife was the first to notice > this. His liver pulse is soft and the overall quality of his pulse is > slippery. Under pressure it dissipates. He presents with fatigue. > The changing eye color is something he has always been curious about. > > He is 38, no outstanding pathology and in good physical health aside > from Spleen Qi Xu signs. He had considerable emotional upheaval in > his teenage years. His tongue is a classic spleen qi xu tongue. > > I am just curious what the thoughts would be concerning the changing > eye color. > > Michelle > > > > > > > > How low will we go? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 11, 2006 Report Share Posted August 11, 2006 I would consider heavy metal toxicity, mercury etc. Look at detoxification methods. - Lea Starck Chinese Medicine Thursday, August 10, 2006 9:08 PM Re: Changing eye color From what I remember of studying iridology, classically, there are only two " true " colours " true blue " and " true brown " and other colours can be a " true " colour with an an overlying yellow colour etc. Such as in the case of green eyes, often being blue overlaid with yellow. (Personally though, I think that you need to take into account genetic background, as I have often seen green and blended coloured irises in people of mixed ancestry, such as dutch- indonesian or australian aboriginal-caucasian etc) In most people of european ancestry you will see some blue fibres in brown eyes, as there is blue ancestry there somewhere in their heritage, and these types of iris can change colour over time, depending on lifestyle etc, to become more blue. The colour is apparantly an indicator of metabolic function, as well as emotional function. So, for example if you go on a bit of an alcoholic bender one night, the next day, (along with bloodshot eyes), you will also see a yellowish grey iris film over their eyes, until their metabolisms can deal with the toxin load. Generally peoples metabolisms manages to adjust so that a change in the iris isnt seen after every heavy dinner or slight viral infection etc, and so usually there is no hugely discernible change. Generally colour changes occur more slowly over time, but often in the case of trauma you will see an instant change. (Ive seen this in my own iris after wisdom teeth extractions, and the more traumatic the incident, the more immediately discernible the change.) I have also seen irises that have changed colour from blue to a paler / whitish colour, instantly and transiently during times of heightened emotions. In some, more emotional people, you may not need to have a slow physical change to see colour changes, some people can develop, for example, a brown patch over the liver area due to feeling terribly guilty etc about eating poorly, even if the liver itself is not underfunctioning yet. I could theorize a bit about what the spectrum of colour changes means in your patient, but as I dont actively practice iridology (I studied it, but dont really use it), I'll not get too tangential for now. Interesting about the multiple personality disorder changing eye colour....you never know.... I have also been told that in dogs, if they have two different eye colours (one blue and one brown) its often associated with deafness. But thats not helpfull at all is it? Lea. > > > Michelle Solomon <michelle wrote: > I have a patient who eyes change color frequently during the day from > green to blue to brown. He also states that they can be half one > color and one half another color. His wife was the first to notice > this. His liver pulse is soft and the overall quality of his pulse is > slippery. Under pressure it dissipates. He presents with fatigue. > The changing eye color is something he has always been curious about. > > He is 38, no outstanding pathology and in good physical health aside > from Spleen Qi Xu signs. He had considerable emotional upheaval in > his teenage years. His tongue is a classic spleen qi xu tongue. > > I am just curious what the thoughts would be concerning the changing > eye color. > > Michelle > > > > > > > > How low will we go? Check out Messenger's low PC-to-Phone call rates. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 13, 2006 Report Share Posted August 13, 2006 Chinese Medicine , " Clarissa Guest " <clarissadawn1 wrote: > > I would consider heavy metal toxicity, mercury etc. Look at detoxification methods. However, one would think that heavy metal toxicity would not lead to the spectrum of constant change that is being seen in this case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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