Chinese Pulse Diagnosis Device

[Guest guest]

I have a picture of graphics of Pulse, attach from this 1st link:

http://mspde.usc.edu/inspiring/resource/TCM/The%20Conceptual%20Basis%20of%20Trad\

itional%20Chinese%20Medicine.htm

 

And by reading of this article in 2nd link:

http://users.med.auth.gr/~karanik/english/hels/helsink4.html

It said:

" An electronic pulse-taking device developed by Dr Laub (1983), working in

conjunction with Dr Broffman and Dr McCulloch (1986) was used by one of the 2

TCM physicians taking part in the study. This device detects radial artery pulse

signals at the same 18 positions palpated by TCM physicians millenia ago. Pulse

images are digitized by the device and written to disk as a computer file. Each

image can then be printed out (see Appendix D), matched with one of the 31

recognized pulse patterns in TCM (Porkert, 1983), and used for diagnostic

purposes. "

 

I am really dying study Pulse Chinese Diagnosis, since I can't feel the

different of pulse (or even find the pulse in distal point of right hand of

patient...)

Is there any mass product of device that can detect and show graphs like in

the first link of George Lewith?

 

And a device from second link is available in the market to help a student or

even a practicioner, making an easy and exact reading of artery pulse?

Or any devices are suggested?

 

Link:

http://pas.pulse-academy.com/

 

 

There are any pulse device as an old one:

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/exhibition/changingthefaceofmedicine/artifact/jacobi_flas\

h.html

 

Or a new electronic one:

http://www.skylarkdevice.com/pds_2000.htm

http://www.puk.unibe.ch/aa/vascana.html

http://www.medscape.com/medline/abstract/12724891

(medscape need password...)

 

Please help me to solve this...

Best Regards

Herbid

 

 

 

 

Everyone is raving about the all-new Mail Beta.

 

 

[Guest guest]

One major problem with pulse measurement is that the sensitivity of

the human fingertips far surpasses that of most electronic

measurement devices. So unless the sensors are very sophisticated,

human capabilities are hard to beat. The problem is learning to

develop the sensitivity in your fingertips and interpreting what you

perceive.

 

You might be interested in pulse simulation software (*not* a

measurement device) that we designed to help TCM practitioners learn

basic TCM pulse types:

http://www.rmhiherbal.org/tchs-cd/pu-01.html

There are a series of screen shots that illustrate several basic

pulse parameters and how they interact. Keep in mind that these are

snapshots of what are actually moving images in the working software.

 

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TCM Pulse Simulator is interactive video-animation software for

exploring and learning all of the possible combinations of parameters

possible when palpating the radial pulse. Using graphs and

animations, this software can display the traditional pulse types as

well as over 900 million variations in order to represent the range

of real pulses. (The problem with rote memorization of the 28

classical pulses is that these do not begin to reflect the complex

combinations of qualities that are possible in real pulses.)

Interaction among pulse parameters has been mathematically modeled

based on circulatory biophysics and fluid flow. This software allows

you to change pulse parameters individually in order to see the

combined effects of various parameters. Pulses are described in terms

of 12 fundamental parameters that can be modified independently.

 

For a summary of some of the problems in how TCM pulse technique is

taught:

http-www.rmhiherbal.org/a/f.ahr2.educ.html#core

The core curriculum: health assessment, pulse palpation, tongue

assessment, materia medica, and herbal formulation

(from: Modest proposals for improving traditional Chinese herbology

education)

 

 

---Roger Wicke PhD

Rocky Mountain Herbal Institute

website: http://www.rmhiherbal.org/

email: http://www.rmhiherbal.org/contact/

 

 

 

On Jul 31, 2006, at 12:09,

Chinese Medicine wrote:

 

> 2. Chinese Pulse Diagnosis Device

> Posted by: " Fabrian Pradansyah " rianpradansyah

> rianpradansyah

> Sun Jul 30, 2006 9:07 am (PDT)

>

> I have a picture of graphics of Pulse, attach from this 1st link:

> http://mspde.usc.edu/inspiring/resource/TCM/The%20Conceptual%

> 20Basis%20of%20Traditional%20Chinese%20Medicine.htm

>

> And by reading of this article in 2nd link:

> http://users.med.auth.gr/~karanik/english/hels/helsink4.html

> It said:

> " An electronic pulse-taking device developed by Dr Laub (1983),

> working in conjunction with Dr Broffman and Dr McCulloch (1986) was

> used by one of the 2 TCM physicians taking part in the study. This

> device detects radial artery pulse signals at the same 18 positions

> palpated by TCM physicians millenia ago. Pulse images are digitized

> by the device and written to disk as a computer file. Each image

> can then be printed out (see Appendix D), matched with one of the

> 31 recognized pulse patterns in TCM (Porkert, 1983), and used for

> diagnostic purposes. "

>

> I am really dying study Pulse Chinese Diagnosis, since I can't feel

> the different of pulse (or even find the pulse in distal point of

> right hand of patient...)

> Is there any mass product of device that can detect and show

> graphs like in the first link of George Lewith?

>

> And a device from second link is available in the market to help a

> student or even a practicioner, making an easy and exact reading of

> artery pulse?

> Or any devices are suggested?

>

> Link:

> http://pas.pulse-academy.com/

>

>

> There are any pulse device as an old one:

> http://www.nlm.nih.gov/exhibition/changingthefaceofmedicine/

> artifact/jacobi_flash.html

>

> Or a new electronic one:

> http://www.skylarkdevice.com/pds_2000.htm

> http://www.puk.unibe.ch/aa/vascana.html

> http://www.medscape.com/medline/abstract/12724891

> (medscape need password...)

>

> Please help me to solve this...

> Best Regards

> Herbid