Guest guest Posted June 23, 2006 Report Share Posted June 23, 2006 Hi All, Have a 51-year old female patient who I have been doing cosmetic acupuncture on. Have seen her 6 times. She had complained about (in western terms) depression, back pain, fibromyalgia, insomnia, hot flashes/night sweats, and was just told she had high cholesterol. Craves salty foods at times. Pulses are thin, wiry -- saw her yesterday and they are less so. Tongue: yin xu, tooth-marked, no swelling in the sublingual veins. Emotions: stressed a bit, tends towards worry and anxiety. She responds very well to acupuncture and to the herbs I have her on (Health Concerns " Three Immortals " -- which is modified Er Xian Tang). Her back pain is gone, feels energetic (gets up at 5am refreshed and ready to work on papers. She is taking a class through this month), hot flashes/night sweats are lessening, sleep is much better. However, yesterday I noticed her earlobes were limp and dark. The left one had a bruise (from needling) but both appeared to have blood stagnation. Has anyone seen anything like this before --- any ideas on what could be going on? Kidney issues are a concern, of course, as are Spleen as she tends to bruise easily and has other SP issues. I see her again Monday. Comments, suggestions, thoughts are all appreciated. Thanks, Kathleen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 25, 2006 Report Share Posted June 25, 2006 Hi Kathleen Does she have gum disease and/or toothache? When my husband had a severe tooth abscess and was in a lot of pain, I thought I would use the auricular points for dental anaesthesia. I used my probe to find the tender spots and quite amazingly with only the slightest pressure, (such as I have used many times with nothing unusual happening) the probe burst the skin and the point bled, dark, thick blood. My husband wasn't too impressed, but I was! He also got some relief from the process although the dentist needed to remove the tooth. Regards Susie Chinese Medicine , " Kathleen Mathews " <kthmathews2003 wrote: > > Hi All, > > Have a 51-year old female patient who I have been doing cosmetic > acupuncture on. Have seen her 6 times. She had complained about (in > western terms) depression, back pain, fibromyalgia, insomnia, hot > flashes/night sweats, and was just told she had high cholesterol. > Craves salty foods at times. > > Pulses are thin, wiry -- saw her yesterday and they are less so. > Tongue: yin xu, tooth-marked, no swelling in the sublingual veins. > Emotions: stressed a bit, tends towards worry and anxiety. > > She responds very well to acupuncture and to the herbs I have her on > (Health Concerns " Three Immortals " -- which is modified Er Xian Tang). > Her back pain is gone, feels energetic (gets up at 5am refreshed and > ready to work on papers. She is taking a class through this month), > hot flashes/night sweats are lessening, sleep is much better. > > However, yesterday I noticed her earlobes were limp and dark. The > left one had a bruise (from needling) but both appeared to have blood > stagnation. > > Has anyone seen anything like this before --- any ideas on what could > be going on? Kidney issues are a concern, of course, as are Spleen > as she tends to bruise easily and has other SP issues. > > I see her again Monday. > Comments, suggestions, thoughts are all appreciated. > Thanks, > Kathleen > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2006 Report Share Posted June 26, 2006 Hi Susie, Thank you for your response and thoughts on this matter. Interesting that the probe broke your husband's skin! I had asked her if she was having any tooth pain or any knee/back. Also questioned if she had been having headaches. Her response was, 'no.' I'll check again as I see her this afternoon -- and will also ask about gums. Have a great day. In health, Kathleen susan729055 <susie wrote: Hi Kathleen Does she have gum disease and/or toothache? When my husband had a severe tooth abscess and was in a lot of pain, I thought I would use the auricular points for dental anaesthesia. I used my probe to find the tender spots and quite amazingly with only the slightest pressure, (such as I have used many times with nothing unusual happening) the probe burst the skin and the point bled, dark, thick blood. My husband wasn't too impressed, but I was! He also got some relief from the process although the dentist needed to remove the tooth. Regards Susie Chinese Medicine , " Kathleen Mathews " <kthmathews2003 wrote: > > Hi All, > > Have a 51-year old female patient who I have been doing cosmetic > acupuncture on. Have seen her 6 times. She had complained about (in > western terms) depression, back pain, fibromyalgia, insomnia, hot > flashes/night sweats, and was just told she had high cholesterol. > Craves salty foods at times. > > Pulses are thin, wiry -- saw her yesterday and they are less so. > Tongue: yin xu, tooth-marked, no swelling in the sublingual veins. > Emotions: stressed a bit, tends towards worry and anxiety. > > She responds very well to acupuncture and to the herbs I have her on > (Health Concerns " Three Immortals " -- which is modified Er Xian Tang). > Her back pain is gone, feels energetic (gets up at 5am refreshed and > ready to work on papers. She is taking a class through this month), > hot flashes/night sweats are lessening, sleep is much better. > > However, yesterday I noticed her earlobes were limp and dark. The > left one had a bruise (from needling) but both appeared to have blood > stagnation. > > Has anyone seen anything like this before --- any ideas on what could > be going on? Kidney issues are a concern, of course, as are Spleen > as she tends to bruise easily and has other SP issues. > > I see her again Monday. > Comments, suggestions, thoughts are all appreciated. > Thanks, > Kathleen > Kathleen Mathews Doctor of Oriental Medicine Diplomate in Oriental Medicine, Acupuncture, and Chinese Herbs (NCCAOM) Downtown Acupuncture and Facial Rejuvenation Center 400 Gold Avenue, SW, Suite 1060 Albuquerque, NM 87102 Office Phone: 505.848.7828 Cell: 505.514.1671 www.kathleenmathews.com Life expands and contracts in proportion to one’s courage Anais Nin How low will we go? Check out Messenger’s low PC-to-Phone call rates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2006 Report Share Posted June 27, 2006 Dear Kathleen I have seen this case in two type of patients . one with chronic sinusitis and the second one dental/gum infection/inflammation as a focus of irritation and auricular massage usually improves the condition ,please check the patient for dental hygiene and amalgam loads and recent dental work up. regards . Dr,Fadaie --- Kathleen Mathews <kthmathews2003 wrote: > Hi All, > > Have a 51-year old female patient who I have been > doing cosmetic > acupuncture on. Have seen her 6 times. She had > complained about (in > western terms) depression, back pain, fibromyalgia, > insomnia, hot > flashes/night sweats, and was just told she had high > cholesterol. > Craves salty foods at times. > > Pulses are thin, wiry -- saw her yesterday and they > are less so. > Tongue: yin xu, tooth-marked, no swelling in the > sublingual veins. > Emotions: stressed a bit, tends towards worry and > anxiety. > > She responds very well to acupuncture and to the > herbs I have her on > (Health Concerns " Three Immortals " -- which is > modified Er Xian Tang). > Her back pain is gone, feels energetic (gets up at > 5am refreshed and > ready to work on papers. She is taking a class > through this month), > hot flashes/night sweats are lessening, sleep is > much better. > > However, yesterday I noticed her earlobes were limp > and dark. The > left one had a bruise (from needling) but both > appeared to have blood > stagnation. > > Has anyone seen anything like this before --- any > ideas on what could > be going on? Kidney issues are a concern, of > course, as are Spleen > as she tends to bruise easily and has other SP > issues. > > I see her again Monday. > Comments, suggestions, thoughts are all appreciated. > Thanks, > Kathleen > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2006 Report Share Posted June 27, 2006 Dr. Fadaie, Based on Susie's comments I again asked the patient Monday if she had any gum/dental issues. She did say that there was still some soreness on the left side (where the bruise was) from a root canal a month ago. Not truly pain, just tender at times. I needled both ears (not in the bruised area) and a needle in the right ear fell out. Lots of bleeding. Cleaned up, finished needling and after the treatment the patient said she felt great and had slept during the treatment (even when I went in to manipulate needles). Her earlobes looked much better. I see her again Friday and will bring up dental history. Thank you for your response. In health, Kathleen majid fadaie <majidfadaie51 wrote: Dear Kathleen I have seen this case in two type of patients . one with chronic sinusitis and the second one dental/gum infection/inflammation as a focus of irritation and auricular massage usually improves the condition ,please check the patient for dental hygiene and amalgam loads and recent dental work up. regards . Dr,Fadaie --- Kathleen Mathews <kthmathews2003 wrote: > Hi All, > > Have a 51-year old female patient who I have been > doing cosmetic > acupuncture on. Have seen her 6 times. She had > complained about (in > western terms) depression, back pain, fibromyalgia, > insomnia, hot > flashes/night sweats, and was just told she had high > cholesterol. > Craves salty foods at times. > > Pulses are thin, wiry -- saw her yesterday and they > are less so. > Tongue: yin xu, tooth-marked, no swelling in the > sublingual veins. > Emotions: stressed a bit, tends towards worry and > anxiety. > > She responds very well to acupuncture and to the > herbs I have her on > (Health Concerns " Three Immortals " -- which is > modified Er Xian Tang). > Her back pain is gone, feels energetic (gets up at > 5am refreshed and > ready to work on papers. She is taking a class > through this month), > hot flashes/night sweats are lessening, sleep is > much better. > > However, yesterday I noticed her earlobes were limp > and dark. The > left one had a bruise (from needling) but both > appeared to have blood > stagnation. > > Has anyone seen anything like this before --- any > ideas on what could > be going on? Kidney issues are a concern, of > course, as are Spleen > as she tends to bruise easily and has other SP > issues. > > I see her again Monday. > Comments, suggestions, thoughts are all appreciated. > Thanks, > Kathleen > > > > > > > Kathleen Mathews Doctor of Oriental Medicine Diplomate in Oriental Medicine, Acupuncture, and Chinese Herbs (NCCAOM) Downtown Acupuncture and Facial Rejuvenation Center 400 Gold Avenue, SW, Suite 1060 Albuquerque, NM 87102 Office Phone: 505.848.7828 Cell: 505.514.1671 www.kathleenmathews.com Life expands and contracts in proportion to one’s courage Anais Nin Next-gen email? Have it all with the all-new Mail Beta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2006 Report Share Posted June 30, 2006 Hi Kathleen I think you have the answer in the root canal tx 1 month ago! Root canal tx always leaves chronic low grade infection trapped in the tooth. As a dentist pointed out to me that root canal tx is the only case in medicine where a dead part of the body is not removed! Your patient will probably not want to do anything about this (personally I would have the dead tooth removed), because the ear isn't troubling her, but she may develop signs of infection later. regards Susie Chinese Medicine , Kathleen Mathews <kthmathews2003 wrote: > > Dr. Fadaie, > > Based on Susie's comments I again asked the patient Monday if she had any gum/dental issues. She did say that there was still some soreness on the left side (where the bruise was) from a root canal a month ago. Not truly pain, just tender at times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2006 Report Share Posted June 30, 2006 >Root canal tx always leaves chronic low grade infection > trapped in the tooth. " Always " is an absolute and it simply isn't true. A competent endodontist can seal a tooth. Its not merely dead tissue. The remaining tooth's purpose is very much like a prosthetic which allows for the function of a tooth and slows down the inevitable degradation of remaining teeth and the jawbone. A root canal is a traumatic procedure. There may be residual swelling, inflammation, joint damage, or even nerve damage left over from that procedure. There may also be cracks in the tooth which could not be detected by the dentist at the time of the procedure. -s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2006 Report Share Posted June 30, 2006 Dear Susie, I would agree 100% that the microscopic canals which extend for a tremendous distance leave foci of infection which foment and all too often explode into the blood stream, nervous system, and even the brain. There is a neurologist from Sweden, Dr. Patrick Stortebecker who wrote extensively on hidden dental infection and how it can actually cause seizures, parkinsons, MS and other neurological disorders, and how when the foci were removed the symptoms disappeared! There is now, for the first time, an alternative to extraction. There is a research team at USC that developed a new dental material, Mineral Trioxide aggregate (MTA) which actually expands and fills the canals, promotes regeneration and recalcification, and preventing infection . Below is an extract of an article describing the material. BTW, one of the authors, George Bogen, DDS, has an active practice in LA. AAPD Journal Article Abstract Author: Don Schmitt, Jacob Lee, George Bogen Title: Multifaceted Use of ProRoot MTA Root Canal Repair Material Abstract: Mineral Trioxide Aggregate (MTA) is a new material recently approved by the FDA for use in pulpal therapy. MTA has been reported to have superior biocompatibility and sealing ability and is less cytotoxic than other materials currently used in pulpal therapy. This report is a review of MTA’s physical and biological properties and the clinical techniques of direct pulp capping, apexification, and repair of failed calcium hydroxide therapy. (Pediatr Dent. 2001;23:326-330) Yours, Yehuda Frischman, L.Ac, CST, SER, TJM --- susan729055 <susie wrote: > Hi Kathleen > > I think you have the answer in the root canal tx 1 > month ago! Root > canal tx always leaves chronic low grade infection > trapped in the > tooth. As a dentist pointed out to me that root > canal tx is the > only case in medicine where a dead part of the body > is not removed! > > Your patient will probably not want to do anything > about this > (personally I would have the dead tooth removed), > because the ear > isn't troubling her, but she may develop signs of > infection later. > regards > Susie > > Chinese Medicine , > Kathleen > Mathews <kthmathews2003 wrote: > > > > Dr. Fadaie, > > > > Based on Susie's comments I again asked the > patient Monday if > she had any gum/dental issues. She did say that > there was still > some soreness on the left side (where the bruise > was) from a root > canal a month ago. Not truly pain, just tender at > times. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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