Guest guest Posted June 14, 2006 Report Share Posted June 14, 2006 Requesting some help with a 6 mo old baby girl with eczema. I would refer the patient out but as I am the only practitioner for 400 miles it makes it a little difficult. I have a full history from the mother - including gestational - and have made recommendations for diet modifications - protecting the spleen etc - but hesitate to prescribe herbs as I am not familiar with pediatric dosing. My diagnosis is blood deficiency, spleen and lung xu. Your help is greatly appreciated. Kayte Halstead, L.Ac Acupuncture 4 Health all about annelise hi kayte- thanks for offering to help us out on this! overall, she is a very happy content baby. she gets viral illnesses from daycare, but i think we're going to pull her out as i've possibly found a babysitter. the eczema started shortly after birth, while still nursing. i think we have made it worse using regular detergents on clothes and bedding as well as lotions with additives, not knowing any better. sleeping: night- between 6:30 and 7 pm to 5:30 or 6:15am am naps- sometimes 2 short ones or one longer one, totally about an hour and a half afternoon nap- usually one long one 1-2 hours sometimes she has anti-nap moods and will only sleep for 45 minutes the whole day, but spends time quietly playing in her crib. diapers: (i was just kidding when i said the stuff comes out looking the same as when it's gone in) but of course her BMs look differently than adults' secondary to her immature GI tract. nothing i've given her has come out remarkable strange. i make her own baby food. we don't give her anything out of the jar. and i'm careful to give her constipation causing foods (bananas, carrots) only once a day. she has at least one BM a day, sometimes more if she has something like pears or apples. her formula is milk-based with the DHA. she has plenty of wet diapers, so she's well hydrated. typical diet: breakfast 3oz fruit babyfood and usually about 4 oz formula mid morning snack of 7oz formula lunch 3oz combo of chicken and veggies about 4 oz formula afternoon snack of 7oz formula dinner 2oz veggie 1oz fruit 4oz formula topper offer before bed: anywhere between 2 and 7oz formula. each bottle also has a tbsp of rice cereal. it sounds like a ton of food, but she's right at the 50th percentile, she's just way more active than other babies. food she's eaten: pears apples bananas chicken green beans sweet potatoes peas carrots baby rice cereal baby whole grain cereal (maybe wheat and oats? i'd have to check) tried mashed potatoes, she hates them so we don't do that anymore. and occassionally a cracker or soaked raisins (in a choke proof gadget). but most of that stuff ends up on her or the floor. she drinks water with a splash of apple juice just to give it some flavor since it's getting hot. and during teething bits she's mouthed an otter pop. but that is so rare, and she only has a tiny bit of it. but all of this started while still on milk, and i don't think her diet has been exacerbating the problem. cleaning: we bath her 2 or 3 times a week. now we only do it twice a week and only once using baby soap. other environmental things to note: 3 cats and a dog. but we don't have carpeting, just a rug, and we vacuum frequently. she doesn't seem to be allergic, as any scratches do not get red or raised. then also the daycare situation, but like i said i hope to have her out of that real soon. family history: i have psoriasis and lots of allergies: seasonal, environmental, and some foods. (i got allergy shots as a kid). for the foods, it's particularly food with high acidity. actually, seems like only fruits now that i think of it, and the worst they do is give me blisters in my mouth. i don't get sick from them. she hasn't had any reactions like that from any food. and i also have a bad allergy to adhesives. i notice she has that too, after taking off her bandaids from shots. noah doesn't have any significant allergies except milk from when he was little. well i think that's it in a nutshell. Okay, i forgot to mention all the medications i was on during pregnancy. i had preeclampsia at my 7th month on. i almost delivered 8 weeks early and had several tributaline (sorry for the spellings) shots- 9 total, 2 magnesium sulfate IV drips 12 hours each, and indocin- the last resort pills. i had the steriod shots to develop her lungs when it looked like delivery was immenent. i was on blood pressure medication and anti contraction medicine (tributaline, then something stronger when that was working, i can't remember what it was) until delivery. i delivered at 37.5 weeks. i think that's all. but prior to all that, i had no complications and had been getting prenatal care the entire time, of course no smoking or drinking. kayte- we're open to considering other long-term management strategies. her dermatologist says that most kids take until their teens to grow out of it (if they ever grow out of it), it's just how to make it bearable in the meantime. we are going to go ahead and use the steroid cream on her thick patches just to help get her out of this acute stage and bad exacerbation she's in now. but the steroid cream is only to be used this first 2 weeks. but like he said, that will only calm it down since it's gotten so bad before it was officially diagnosed. anyway, she weighs approximately 16 pounds. i can't remember exactly when it started, but to tell you the truth i can't remember her NOT having it. so i'd say it started within the first month. then it just kept progressing to the point where it was really bad (like now) at about 2 1/2 months. i've noticed cycles of exacerbations remissions, but haven't been able to identify what makes it worse/better. and it never completely goes away, just some of the redness diminishes. her pediatrician recommended aquaphor (that crisco stuff) that we've been using religiously for 2 months. i don't think it does anything more for her than keep the skin moist. i was a little annoyed with her pediatrician, i felt like she kept treating symptoms instead of the cause, that's why i demanded to see a dermatologist. like she was helping the rash be less ugly-looking instead of trying to help the rash go away. he recommended another moisturizer and this steroid cream as well as changes to make in the house. but thanks very much! and thanks to whoever you're sending this to, too! 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Guest guest Posted June 14, 2006 Report Share Posted June 14, 2006 Ms. Halstead, What does the babys index finger vein look like (length, color, depth) what does the eczema look like, what is it's distribution. If the diagnosis is Sp-Lu Xu then there is probably also food accumulation (the baby's diet sounds healthy - it just occurs quite complex to me?!?!?!). Try out Lu9, sp6 followed by extra points " si feng " on one hand. Hope this helps, Thomas Sorensen L.ac. acupuncture4health skrev: > > Requesting some help with a 6 mo old baby girl with eczema. I would > refer the patient out but as I am the only practitioner for 400 miles > it makes it a little difficult. > > I have a full history from the mother - including gestational - and > have made recommendations for diet modifications - protecting the > spleen etc - but hesitate to prescribe herbs as I am not familiar > with pediatric dosing. > > My diagnosis is blood deficiency, spleen and lung xu. > > Your help is greatly appreciated. > > Kayte Halstead, L.Ac > Acupuncture 4 Health > > all about annelise > > hi kayte- thanks for offering to help us out on this! > > overall, she is a very happy content baby. she gets viral illnesses > from daycare, but i think we're going to pull her out as i've > possibly found a babysitter. > > the eczema started shortly after birth, while still nursing. i think > we have made it worse using regular detergents on clothes and bedding > as well as lotions with additives, not knowing any better. > > sleeping: > > night- between 6:30 and 7 pm to 5:30 or 6:15am > > am naps- sometimes 2 short ones or one longer one, totally about an > hour and a half > > afternoon nap- usually one long one 1-2 hours > > sometimes she has anti-nap moods and will only sleep for 45 minutes > the whole day, but spends time quietly playing in her crib. > > diapers: > > (i was just kidding when i said the stuff comes out looking the same > as when it's gone in) but of course her BMs look differently than > adults' secondary to her immature GI tract. nothing i've given her > has come out remarkable strange. i make her own baby food. we don't > give her anything out of the jar. and i'm careful to give her > constipation causing foods (bananas, carrots) only once a day. she > has at least one BM a day, sometimes more if she has something like > pears or apples. her formula is milk-based with the DHA. she has > plenty of wet diapers, so she's well hydrated. > > typical diet: > > breakfast 3oz fruit babyfood and usually about 4 oz formula > > mid morning snack of 7oz formula > > lunch 3oz combo of chicken and veggies about 4 oz formula > > afternoon snack of 7oz formula > > dinner 2oz veggie 1oz fruit 4oz formula > > topper offer before bed: anywhere between 2 and 7oz formula. > > each bottle also has a tbsp of rice cereal. > > it sounds like a ton of food, but she's right at the 50th percentile, > she's just way more active than other babies. > > food she's eaten: > > pears > > apples > > bananas > > chicken > > green beans > > sweet potatoes > > peas > > carrots > > baby rice cereal > > baby whole grain cereal (maybe wheat and oats? i'd have to check) > > tried mashed potatoes, she hates them so we don't do that anymore. > and occassionally a cracker or soaked raisins (in a choke proof > gadget). but most of that stuff ends up on her or the floor. she > drinks water with a splash of apple juice just to give it some flavor > since it's getting hot. and during teething bits she's mouthed an > otter pop. but that is so rare, and she only has a tiny bit of it. > > but all of this started while still on milk, and i don't think her > diet has been exacerbating the problem. > > cleaning: we bath her 2 or 3 times a week. now we only do it twice > a week and only once using baby soap. > > other environmental things to note: 3 cats and a dog. but we don't > have carpeting, just a rug, and we vacuum frequently. she doesn't > seem to be allergic, as any scratches do not get red or raised. then > also the daycare situation, but like i said i hope to have her out of > that real soon. > > family history: i have psoriasis and lots of allergies: seasonal, > environmental, and some foods. (i got allergy shots as a kid). for > the foods, it's particularly food with high acidity. actually, seems > like only fruits now that i think of it, and the worst they do is > give me blisters in my mouth. i don't get sick from them. she > hasn't had any reactions like that from any food. and i also have a > bad allergy to adhesives. i notice she has that too, after taking > off her bandaids from shots. noah doesn't have any significant > allergies except milk from when he was little. > > well i think that's it in a nutshell. > > Okay, i forgot to mention all the medications i was on during > pregnancy. i had preeclampsia at my 7th month on. i almost > delivered 8 weeks early and had several tributaline (sorry for the > spellings) shots- 9 total, 2 magnesium sulfate IV drips 12 hours > each, and indocin- the last resort pills. i had the steriod shots to > develop her lungs when it looked like delivery was immenent. i was > on blood pressure medication and anti contraction medicine > (tributaline, then something stronger when that was working, i can't > remember what it was) until delivery. i delivered at 37.5 weeks. i > think that's all. but prior to all that, i had no complications and > had been getting prenatal care the entire time, of course no smoking > or drinking. > > kayte- we're open to considering other long-term management > strategies. her dermatologist says that most kids take until their > teens to grow out of it (if they ever grow out of it), it's just how > to make it bearable in the meantime. we are going to go ahead and > use the steroid cream on her thick patches just to help get her out > of this acute stage and bad exacerbation she's in now. but the > steroid cream is only to be used this first 2 weeks. but like he > said, that will only calm it down since it's gotten so bad before it > was officially diagnosed. > > anyway, she weighs approximately 16 pounds. i can't remember exactly > when it started, but to tell you the truth i can't remember her NOT > having it. so i'd say it started within the first month. then it > just kept progressing to the point where it was really bad (like now) > at about 2 1/2 months. i've noticed cycles of exacerbations > remissions, but haven't been able to identify what makes it > worse/better. and it never completely goes away, just some of the > redness diminishes. her pediatrician recommended aquaphor (that > crisco stuff) that we've been using religiously for 2 months. i > don't think it does anything more for her than keep the skin moist. > i was a little annoyed with her pediatrician, i felt like she kept > treating symptoms instead of the cause, that's why i demanded to see > a dermatologist. like she was helping the rash be less ugly-looking > instead of trying to help the rash go away. he recommended another > moisturizer and this steroid cream as well as changes to make in the > house. > > but thanks very much! and thanks to whoever you're sending this to, > too! > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2006 Report Share Posted June 14, 2006 I will have to get back to you on the index finger - but the eczema is dry, raised red - it started in the elbow and leg creases initially at 1 mo - now it has progressed all over the body but not the face. It does not seem to itch the baby at all. Thank you Chinese Medicine , Thomas Bøgedal Sørensen <> wrote: > > Ms. Halstead, > > What does the babys index finger vein look like (length, color, depth) > what does the eczema look like, what is it's distribution. > > If the diagnosis is Sp-Lu Xu then there is probably also food > accumulation (the baby's diet sounds healthy - it just occurs quite > complex to me?!?!?!). Try out Lu9, sp6 followed by extra points " si > feng " on one hand. > > Hope this helps, > > Thomas Sorensen > L.ac. > > > > acupuncture4health skrev: > > > > Requesting some help with a 6 mo old baby girl with eczema. I would > > refer the patient out but as I am the only practitioner for 400 miles > > it makes it a little difficult. > > > > I have a full history from the mother - including gestational - and > > have made recommendations for diet modifications - protecting the > > spleen etc - but hesitate to prescribe herbs as I am not familiar > > with pediatric dosing. > > > > My diagnosis is blood deficiency, spleen and lung xu. > > > > Your help is greatly appreciated. > > > > Kayte Halstead, L.Ac > > Acupuncture 4 Health > > > > all about annelise > > > > hi kayte- thanks for offering to help us out on this! > > > > overall, she is a very happy content baby. she gets viral illnesses > > from daycare, but i think we're going to pull her out as i've > > possibly found a babysitter. > > > > the eczema started shortly after birth, while still nursing. i think > > we have made it worse using regular detergents on clothes and bedding > > as well as lotions with additives, not knowing any better. > > > > sleeping: > > > > night- between 6:30 and 7 pm to 5:30 or 6:15am > > > > am naps- sometimes 2 short ones or one longer one, totally about an > > hour and a half > > > > afternoon nap- usually one long one 1-2 hours > > > > sometimes she has anti-nap moods and will only sleep for 45 minutes > > the whole day, but spends time quietly playing in her crib. > > > > diapers: > > > > (i was just kidding when i said the stuff comes out looking the same > > as when it's gone in) but of course her BMs look differently than > > adults' secondary to her immature GI tract. nothing i've given her > > has come out remarkable strange. i make her own baby food. we don't > > give her anything out of the jar. and i'm careful to give her > > constipation causing foods (bananas, carrots) only once a day. she > > has at least one BM a day, sometimes more if she has something like > > pears or apples. her formula is milk-based with the DHA. she has > > plenty of wet diapers, so she's well hydrated. > > > > typical diet: > > > > breakfast 3oz fruit babyfood and usually about 4 oz formula > > > > mid morning snack of 7oz formula > > > > lunch 3oz combo of chicken and veggies about 4 oz formula > > > > afternoon snack of 7oz formula > > > > dinner 2oz veggie 1oz fruit 4oz formula > > > > topper offer before bed: anywhere between 2 and 7oz formula. > > > > each bottle also has a tbsp of rice cereal. > > > > it sounds like a ton of food, but she's right at the 50th percentile, > > she's just way more active than other babies. > > > > food she's eaten: > > > > pears > > > > apples > > > > bananas > > > > chicken > > > > green beans > > > > sweet potatoes > > > > peas > > > > carrots > > > > baby rice cereal > > > > baby whole grain cereal (maybe wheat and oats? i'd have to check) > > > > tried mashed potatoes, she hates them so we don't do that anymore. > > and occassionally a cracker or soaked raisins (in a choke proof > > gadget). but most of that stuff ends up on her or the floor. she > > drinks water with a splash of apple juice just to give it some flavor > > since it's getting hot. and during teething bits she's mouthed an > > otter pop. but that is so rare, and she only has a tiny bit of it. > > > > but all of this started while still on milk, and i don't think her > > diet has been exacerbating the problem. > > > > cleaning: we bath her 2 or 3 times a week. now we only do it twice > > a week and only once using baby soap. > > > > other environmental things to note: 3 cats and a dog. but we don't > > have carpeting, just a rug, and we vacuum frequently. she doesn't > > seem to be allergic, as any scratches do not get red or raised. then > > also the daycare situation, but like i said i hope to have her out of > > that real soon. > > > > family history: i have psoriasis and lots of allergies: seasonal, > > environmental, and some foods. (i got allergy shots as a kid). for > > the foods, it's particularly food with high acidity. actually, seems > > like only fruits now that i think of it, and the worst they do is > > give me blisters in my mouth. i don't get sick from them. she > > hasn't had any reactions like that from any food. and i also have a > > bad allergy to adhesives. i notice she has that too, after taking > > off her bandaids from shots. noah doesn't have any significant > > allergies except milk from when he was little. > > > > well i think that's it in a nutshell. > > > > Okay, i forgot to mention all the medications i was on during > > pregnancy. i had preeclampsia at my 7th month on. i almost > > delivered 8 weeks early and had several tributaline (sorry for the > > spellings) shots- 9 total, 2 magnesium sulfate IV drips 12 hours > > each, and indocin- the last resort pills. i had the steriod shots to > > develop her lungs when it looked like delivery was immenent. i was > > on blood pressure medication and anti contraction medicine > > (tributaline, then something stronger when that was working, i can't > > remember what it was) until delivery. i delivered at 37.5 weeks. i > > think that's all. but prior to all that, i had no complications and > > had been getting prenatal care the entire time, of course no smoking > > or drinking. > > > > kayte- we're open to considering other long-term management > > strategies. her dermatologist says that most kids take until their > > teens to grow out of it (if they ever grow out of it), it's just how > > to make it bearable in the meantime. we are going to go ahead and > > use the steroid cream on her thick patches just to help get her out > > of this acute stage and bad exacerbation she's in now. but the > > steroid cream is only to be used this first 2 weeks. but like he > > said, that will only calm it down since it's gotten so bad before it > > was officially diagnosed. > > > > anyway, she weighs approximately 16 pounds. i can't remember exactly > > when it started, but to tell you the truth i can't remember her NOT > > having it. so i'd say it started within the first month. then it > > just kept progressing to the point where it was really bad (like now) > > at about 2 1/2 months. i've noticed cycles of exacerbations > > remissions, but haven't been able to identify what makes it > > worse/better. and it never completely goes away, just some of the > > redness diminishes. her pediatrician recommended aquaphor (that > > crisco stuff) that we've been using religiously for 2 months. i > > don't think it does anything more for her than keep the skin moist. > > i was a little annoyed with her pediatrician, i felt like she kept > > treating symptoms instead of the cause, that's why i demanded to see > > a dermatologist. like she was helping the rash be less ugly- looking > > instead of trying to help the rash go away. he recommended another > > moisturizer and this steroid cream as well as changes to make in the > > house. > > > > but thanks very much! and thanks to whoever you're sending this to, > > too! > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 14, 2006 Report Share Posted June 14, 2006 Hello! I would also try and look at any issues of anger in the familly? Artemis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2006 Report Share Posted June 15, 2006 Dear Mrs. Halstead I doubt about diagnosis of atopic dermatitis if there is No pruritus , because it is one of main features .sometimes Infants show it as restlessness and try to rub yourself against Other things. If there is no pruritus absolutely suspect to diagnosis and Consider differential diagnosis such as psoriasis(positive family History ) , Histyocitosis X , Wiskott Aldrich etc. So try to Send me her photographs it would be useful. If we consider it atopic , these rashes will have a chronic course in her. Because she lives in an allergic environment ; dog & cats , Formula feeding , early beginning of fruits(I try it from 7-8 mo) And positive family history. So we should lessen those, I think it is better to stop banana It is full of histamine , also try soya based formula ,decrease Contact with detergents and wool , linen & acrylic materials. Corticosteroids have good effect but transient , If used more than 10 days may cause skin atrophy , so limit them. An emollient , if possible an antihistamin( I prefer Ketotifen 0.1 mg for her / day for 2-4 weeks , it cause mild drawsiness) and acupuncture. Eczema is a stasis of wind wet and heat , in chronic casese Blood deficiency causes dryness of skin. Try acupuncture only if above consideration were impossible Or ineffective; For pruritus ; LI 11 toward H 3 , Sp6 toward GB 39 Nourish kidney and skin by K 3 Also LI 4 , SP 9, 10, UB 40 , 57, GB 30 , SJ 5 I have no information about herbal drugs and I would be glad To inform about them ,Aloe vera is an option without no adverse effect .You can try it also. With best regards Behzad Goharfar , MD , Pediatrician,From Tehran acupuncture4health <acupuncture4health wrote: Requesting some help with a 6 mo old baby girl with eczema. I would refer the patient out but as I am the only practitioner for 400 miles it makes it a little difficult. I have a full history from the mother - including gestational - and have made recommendations for diet modifications - protecting the spleen etc - but hesitate to prescribe herbs as I am not familiar with pediatric dosing. My diagnosis is blood deficiency, spleen and lung xu. Your help is greatly appreciated. Kayte Halstead, L.Ac Acupuncture 4 Health all about annelise hi kayte- thanks for offering to help us out on this! overall, she is a very happy content baby. she gets viral illnesses from daycare, but i think we're going to pull her out as i've possibly found a babysitter. the eczema started shortly after birth, while still nursing. i think we have made it worse using regular detergents on clothes and bedding as well as lotions with additives, not knowing any better. sleeping: night- between 6:30 and 7 pm to 5:30 or 6:15am am naps- sometimes 2 short ones or one longer one, totally about an hour and a half afternoon nap- usually one long one 1-2 hours sometimes she has anti-nap moods and will only sleep for 45 minutes the whole day, but spends time quietly playing in her crib. diapers: (i was just kidding when i said the stuff comes out looking the same as when it's gone in) but of course her BMs look differently than adults' secondary to her immature GI tract. nothing i've given her has come out remarkable strange. i make her own baby food. we don't give her anything out of the jar. and i'm careful to give her constipation causing foods (bananas, carrots) only once a day. she has at least one BM a day, sometimes more if she has something like pears or apples. her formula is milk-based with the DHA. she has plenty of wet diapers, so she's well hydrated. typical diet: breakfast 3oz fruit babyfood and usually about 4 oz formula mid morning snack of 7oz formula lunch 3oz combo of chicken and veggies about 4 oz formula afternoon snack of 7oz formula dinner 2oz veggie 1oz fruit 4oz formula topper offer before bed: anywhere between 2 and 7oz formula. each bottle also has a tbsp of rice cereal. it sounds like a ton of food, but she's right at the 50th percentile, she's just way more active than other babies. food she's eaten: pears apples bananas chicken green beans sweet potatoes peas carrots baby rice cereal baby whole grain cereal (maybe wheat and oats? i'd have to check) tried mashed potatoes, she hates them so we don't do that anymore. and occassionally a cracker or soaked raisins (in a choke proof gadget). but most of that stuff ends up on her or the floor. she drinks water with a splash of apple juice just to give it some flavor since it's getting hot. and during teething bits she's mouthed an otter pop. but that is so rare, and she only has a tiny bit of it. but all of this started while still on milk, and i don't think her diet has been exacerbating the problem. cleaning: we bath her 2 or 3 times a week. now we only do it twice a week and only once using baby soap. other environmental things to note: 3 cats and a dog. but we don't have carpeting, just a rug, and we vacuum frequently. she doesn't seem to be allergic, as any scratches do not get red or raised. then also the daycare situation, but like i said i hope to have her out of that real soon. family history: i have psoriasis and lots of allergies: seasonal, environmental, and some foods. (i got allergy shots as a kid). for the foods, it's particularly food with high acidity. actually, seems like only fruits now that i think of it, and the worst they do is give me blisters in my mouth. i don't get sick from them. she hasn't had any reactions like that from any food. and i also have a bad allergy to adhesives. i notice she has that too, after taking off her bandaids from shots. noah doesn't have any significant allergies except milk from when he was little. well i think that's it in a nutshell. Okay, i forgot to mention all the medications i was on during pregnancy. i had preeclampsia at my 7th month on. i almost delivered 8 weeks early and had several tributaline (sorry for the spellings) shots- 9 total, 2 magnesium sulfate IV drips 12 hours each, and indocin- the last resort pills. i had the steriod shots to develop her lungs when it looked like delivery was immenent. i was on blood pressure medication and anti contraction medicine (tributaline, then something stronger when that was working, i can't remember what it was) until delivery. i delivered at 37.5 weeks. i think that's all. but prior to all that, i had no complications and had been getting prenatal care the entire time, of course no smoking or drinking. kayte- we're open to considering other long-term management strategies. her dermatologist says that most kids take until their teens to grow out of it (if they ever grow out of it), it's just how to make it bearable in the meantime. we are going to go ahead and use the steroid cream on her thick patches just to help get her out of this acute stage and bad exacerbation she's in now. but the steroid cream is only to be used this first 2 weeks. but like he said, that will only calm it down since it's gotten so bad before it was officially diagnosed. anyway, she weighs approximately 16 pounds. i can't remember exactly when it started, but to tell you the truth i can't remember her NOT having it. so i'd say it started within the first month. then it just kept progressing to the point where it was really bad (like now) at about 2 1/2 months. i've noticed cycles of exacerbations remissions, but haven't been able to identify what makes it worse/better. and it never completely goes away, just some of the redness diminishes. her pediatrician recommended aquaphor (that crisco stuff) that we've been using religiously for 2 months. i don't think it does anything more for her than keep the skin moist. i was a little annoyed with her pediatrician, i felt like she kept treating symptoms instead of the cause, that's why i demanded to see a dermatologist. like she was helping the rash be less ugly-looking instead of trying to help the rash go away. he recommended another moisturizer and this steroid cream as well as changes to make in the house. but thanks very much! and thanks to whoever you're sending this to, too! 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Guest guest Posted June 15, 2006 Report Share Posted June 15, 2006 I have suffered with this disease since birth. Two of my children started showing signs at ages 8mths (boy) and 13 years (girl). My daughter had beautiful skin until the age of 13 when it began as pigment changes. Many small patches of faded skin, then began to show the signs of dryness, and soon after the weepy stuff. My son showed the dry and weepy right away. All three of us have been battling, without much success, a strain of MRSA (multi drug resistant staff) that was picked up initially by me in a l;ocal wal-mart. Although bactrim with a leviquil combo seems to have worked for my daughter, my son (17) is still having a terrible time. I had been bed bound for over a year and spent a total of three months in and out of the hospital. I am currently on a course of cyclosporine (neoral) with prednisone and have seen some results. My question is what could I use herally for my children. My son is really bad right now with full body coverage. Weeping, cracking, and tremendous itching. The outbreak has also effected his asthma. My daughter is clearing, but still suffers the contant need to itch. Any help wqould be greatly apprechiated since no dermatologist in the area wilkl touch us. ~Azi " You have not lived a perfect day, unless you've done something for someone who will never be able to repay you. " Ruth Smeltzer Http://www.precioustimedesign.com Unique Document Processing and Projects for personal and Small Business use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 15, 2006 Report Share Posted June 15, 2006 Azidox wrote: > I have suffered with this disease since birth. Two of my children > started showing signs at ages 8mths (boy) and 13 years (girl). My > daughter had beautiful skin until the age of 13 when it began as pigment > changes. Many small patches of faded skin, then began to show the signs > of dryness, and soon after the weepy stuff. My son showed the dry and > weepy right away. All three of us have been battling, without much > success, a strain of MRSA (multi drug resistant staff) that was picked > up initially by me in a l;ocal wal-mart. Although bactrim with a > leviquil combo seems to have worked for my daughter, my son (17) is > still having a terrible time. I had been bed bound for over a year and > spent a total of three months in and out of the hospital. I am > currently on a course of cyclosporine (neoral) with prednisone and have > seen some results. My question is what could I use herally for my > children. My son is really bad right now with full body coverage. > Weeping, cracking, and tremendous itching. The outbreak has also > effected his asthma. My daughter is clearing, but still suffers the > contant need to itch. Any help wqould be greatly apprechiated since no > dermatologist in the area wilkl touch us. Hi Azidox! Where are you? Regards, Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2006 Report Share Posted June 16, 2006 Just outside Houston, TX USA After writing this, I had to take my son to the hospital where he is now on IV antibiotics and being admitted. This episode seems to be knocks the crap out of us. ~Azi " You have not lived a perfect day, unless you've done something for someone who will never be able to repay you. " Ruth Smeltzer Http://www.precioustimedesign.com Unique Document Processing and Projects for personal and Small Business use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2006 Report Share Posted June 16, 2006 Hi there, I have not had that much experience treating paediatric eczema with Chinese medicine herbs, so I will leave that to others more experienced than I. But before I leave the topic of herbs, I would like to pose a question for people: In cases such as this, Chan Tui is a great " herb " , even apart from its TCM actions, it is anti- allergic in terms of western medicine. One of my teachers once told me that for vegetarians who object to products such as this, grind up the Chan Tui into pieces and just dont tell the patient. Seeing as one of the mentioned cases is Vegan (it was mentioned that he is Indian- did you mean Vegan or Pure-Veg, as there is a difference in diet. Is he a jain?) I wonder what people think of this? So, leaving the herbs for now, I would like to add some other general information for atopic eczema that may be useful: * Avoid people with cold sores to avoid the complication of eczema herpeticum. * Try to keep area clean to avoid secondary infections, such as staph infections. (This would mean curtailing the activities of some kids, unfortunately.) * Supplement with evening primrose oil and eicosapentenoic acid (EPO and EPA) to decrease the synthesis of inflammatory prostaglandins. However, keep in mind that EPO can sometimes make skin conditions worse, so it is up to patients and practitioners to use their discretion, I guess. Supplement with bioflavanoids, as this will inhibit inflammatory processes in the body, decrease the release of inflammatory mediators, and increase the effectiveness of vitamin C. (Bioflavanoids also do other beneficial things but I'm trying to not go for the encyclopaedic post this time.) There are herbs that are high in bioflavanoids too, huang qin and hong hua, apparantly. * Vitamin A is usefull in cases of hyperkeratinisation, but obviously not exceeding the recommended daily intake. * Zinc is also useful and often deficient in atopic eczema cases. * Externally, there are always compresses and decoctions (think Huang Lian, Huang Qin, Ku Shen, Bai Zhu, Sang Ye etc. ) And lets not forget Qing Dai (mixed with a suitable oil)! Oh, and I know this would probably seem obvious to most, but dont put powdered herbs directly onto weeping eczema as this can cause scarring, keep dressings moist. In the case of the 6 month old baby, I would just like to add that the thing that immediately leapt out at me from that case, is that the child seems to be eating a large amount of solids for a child that age and in that weight percentile. Every kid is different though, so without being the parent, its hard to tell. I agree with the suggestion to try another type of infant formula, perhaps soy based, (with the advice of a child health nurse or paediatrician) and see if there is an improvement. Breast fed babies do tend to be less likely to develop atopy, but without being able to recall the exact studies, I thought that this was in babies breast fed for at least a minimum of 6 months. Regards, Lea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2006 Report Share Posted June 16, 2006 I am a vegetarian and I do avoid animal products, but I have drunk decoctions with chan tui in them- chan tui is actually only the skin of the insect. It can be found under trees in China. They don't have to kill the animal in order to get the skin. I think it is a bad idea that when you know someone is a veg*n you consciously avoid telling them that there are animal products in their formula. I think that's a kind of disrespect, wouldn't you agree? Tom. ---- Lea Starck 06/16/06 10:22:54 Chinese Medicine Re: Pediatric eczema One of my teachers once told me that for vegetarians who object to products such as this, grind up the Chan Tui into pieces and just dont tell the patient. Seeing as one of the mentioned cases is Vegan (it was mentioned that he is Indian- did you mean Vegan or Pure-Veg, as there is a difference in diet. Is he a jain?) I wonder what people think of this? We Made Changes Your email is all new. Learn More Share Feedback Recent Activity 7New Members Visit Your Group Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 16, 2006 Report Share Posted June 16, 2006 I have had v. good results with skin conditions using aloe vera. You should basically fix the aloe vera plant to the lesion so that it soaks in the stuff over night . Also coconut oil is very good for lots of dry skin conditions. Do a patch test to make sure there's no allergies. best health, y.c. Chinese Medicine , " Azidox " <azidox1 wrote: > > I have suffered with this disease since birth. Two of my children > started showing signs at ages 8mths (boy) and 13 years (girl). My > daughter had beautiful skin until the age of 13 when it began as pigment > changes. Many small patches of faded skin, then began to show the signs > of dryness, and soon after the weepy stuff. My son showed the dry and > weepy right away. All three of us have been battling, without much > success, a strain of MRSA (multi drug resistant staff) that was picked > up initially by me in a l;ocal wal-mart. Although bactrim with a > leviquil combo seems to have worked for my daughter, my son (17) is > still having a terrible time. I had been bed bound for over a year and > spent a total of three months in and out of the hospital. I am > currently on a course of cyclosporine (neoral) with prednisone and have > seen some results. My question is what could I use herally for my > children. My son is really bad right now with full body coverage. > Weeping, cracking, and tremendous itching. The outbreak has also > effected his asthma. My daughter is clearing, but still suffers the > contant need to itch. Any help wqould be greatly apprechiated since no > dermatologist in the area wilkl touch us. > > ~Azi > > " You have not lived a perfect day, unless you've done something for > someone who will never be able to repay you. " Ruth Smeltzer > > Http://www.precioustimedesign.com > Unique Document Processing and Projects for personal and Small Business > use. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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