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Yeah Jane, I forgot that you Australians don't treat your indigenous

people very well so you would probably do the same to these poor

indigenous islanders, eh?

FYI, Hawaii already takes in the Marshalese people and we are only on

6000 square miles of land unlike Australia (a continent) and New

Zealand (a very large groups of islands 100,000 plus sq miles).

Josephine

 

 

, " Jane MacRoss "

<highfield1 wrote:

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You kill yours off more quickly than we do anyway, so if it was going

to be a tight squeeze over there for you it wouldn't last long anyway

- would it?

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> Jane / declining to duck & chin at the ready

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> J.Keliipio

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> Com'on Australia and New Zealand, aren't you folks large enough to

take in your neighbors???

>

> Paradise lost: climate change forces South Sea islanders to seek

sanctuary abroad

>

> By Kathy Marks, Asia-Pacific Correspondent

> Friday, 6 June 2008

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> After years of fruitless appeals for decisive action on climate

change, the tiny South Pacific nation of Kiribati has concluded that

it is doomed. Yesterday its President, Anote Tong, used World

Environment Day to request international help to evacuate his country

before it disappears.

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> Water supplies are being contaminated by the encroaching salt water,

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We live on the edge of a desert. Hadn't noticed desert in Hawaii.

 

We have welfare for our immigrants - perhaps we couldn't afford more

bludgers - does the US have a welfare system? Medicare system? Rebuilding

towns after Tornadoes? Perhaps you could rebuild New Orleans and have them

there since the previous owners have had to move on?

 

Frankly I think you and I would both agree neither of our governments are as

we would like them to be - the long term damage they have done between them

to harm the future generations is horrendous. Sure much of it has come out

of America - but at the same time America has had backing and support from

most other countries including Australia - whether from fear or

short-sightedness is irrelevant - no one has stood up to Monsanto - to the

FDA - to Bush and his anti-freedom policies and policies of mass

destruction - and I'm sure we would both be grateful if someone had stood up

and spoken out against the corruption - to protect the planet and its

people.

 

Best,

 

 

Jane

 

" jlkinkona " <josephine

 

 

Yeah Jane, I forgot that you Australians don't treat your indigenous

people very well so you would probably do the same to these poor

indigenous islanders, eh?

FYI, Hawaii already takes in the Marshalese people and we are only on

6000 square miles of land unlike Australia (a continent) and New

Zealand (a very large groups of islands 100,000 plus sq miles).

Josephine

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Please feel free to offer the government here

suggestions on how to provide for a

sustainable life in the mostly inhabitable wide

open spaces with soaring temperatures and total

lack of water. There is no infrastructure.

A condition not improved by the ongoing drought

we are enduring, at the moment in its 7th year,

with many farmers abandoning their farms, sheep

stations, cattle stations. I happen to live in

such a region and it is heartbreaking. And you

deem, judging from a distance, with no

understanding of the conditions here, that we could have a few more here?

 

I don't mind criticism,. but let it be constructive, not snide.

 

At 05:08 PM 6/06/2008, you wrote:

 

>Yeah Jane, I forgot that you Australians don't treat your indigenous

>people very well so you would probably do the same to these poor

>indigenous islanders, eh?

>FYI, Hawaii already takes in the Marshalese people and we are only on

>6000 square miles of land unlike Australia (a continent) and New

>Zealand (a very large groups of islands 100,000 plus sq miles).

>Josephine

>

>

> , " Jane MacRoss "

><highfield1 wrote:

> >

> You kill yours off more quickly than we do anyway, so if it was going

>to be a tight squeeze over there for you it wouldn't last long anyway

>- would it?

> >

> > Jane / declining to duck & chin at the ready

> > -

> > J.Keliipio

> >

> >

> > Com'on Australia and New Zealand, aren't you folks large enough to

>take in your neighbors???

> >

> > Paradise lost: climate change forces South Sea islanders to seek

>sanctuary abroad

> >

> > By Kathy Marks, Asia-Pacific Correspondent

> > Friday, 6 June 2008

> >

> >

> >

> > After years of fruitless appeals for decisive action on climate

>change, the tiny South Pacific nation of Kiribati has concluded that

>it is doomed. Yesterday its President, Anote Tong, used World

>Environment Day to request international help to evacuate his country

>before it disappears.

> >

> >

> > Water supplies are being contaminated by the encroaching salt water,

> >

>

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Drought http://www.bom.gov.au/lam/climate/levelthree/c20thc/drought.htm

The “Federation drought” 1895-1902The 1914-15 droughtThe World War II droughts 1937-45 The 1965-68 drought

Short but sharp - The 1982-83 droughtThe long El Niño - 1991 through 1995

 

 

 

Drought. The word evokes images of barren fields, dying stock, and water holes and reservoirs drying to cracked mud. Shrivelled hopes, failed crops, and often economic ruin are its trademarks.

 

 

and it ain't over yet!

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IT MAY be time to stop describing south-eastern Australia as gripped by drought and instead accept the extreme dry as permanent, one of the nation's most senior weather experts warned yesterday.

"Perhaps we should call it our new climate," said the Bureau of Meteorology's head of climate analysis, David Jones.

He was speaking after the release of statistics showing that last year was the hottest on record in NSW, Victoria, South Australia and the ACT.

 

http://www.smh.com.au/news/environment/this-drought-may-never-break/2008/01/03/1198949986473.html

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May 2008 was Australia’s driest May on record. The dry May combined with relatively poor rainfall in March and April contributed to large parts of Australia experiencing rainfall deficiencies during autumn. Deficiencies at the yearly timescale highlight areas that have received little rainfall relief in recent months, with large areas of deficiencies through central and southern parts of Australia.

For the 3-month period from March 2008 to May 2008, areas of serious to severe rainfall deficiencies covered large parts of Australia. In northern Australia this was indicative of an early end to the wet season, whilst southern Australia experienced a poor start to the southern wet season. Across the Murray-Darling Basin it was the fourth driest autumn on record.

 

http://www.bom.gov.au/climate/drought/drought.shtml

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I agree with Hanneke's comment........

I don't mind criticism,. but let it be constructive, not snide.

So do you find it so difficult to be constructive?

Australia is NOT the only nation to have lessons to learn about the way it treated the 'original' inhabitants of a country which has been colonised! I truly believe we are learning and doing something about our earlier flaws towards our indiginous population..............

 

Lets try and be nice to each other...... please.......................

 

Clare in Tassie

and yes...... I know, we in Tassie have our own guilts to carry regarding the indiginous population

These pains can be healed!

 

 

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Again Josephine, you're missing the understanding

of our geographic position here.

Water shortage is something you might not be

familiar with. Many projects are undertaken

to maintain a level of drinkable usable water

for the population as it is (how about a glass of

recycled sewage? Yes, that' what we are offered)

.. Having water restrictions varying from level 1

to 5 which means a limited amount of water per

person per day (if you happen to have your shower

you cannot do your washing). Watering gardens is

not allowed 6 days out of 7. Washing cars is a no-no.

It's always easier to find the solutions on

paper, reality just has the habit of presenting

you with exactly that: reality.

And... to put you straight: Australians as you

put it in a general sweeping comment, are NOT

nasty to the indigenous people. Governments have

a lot to do with it, lack of funding, and also

traditions of the tribes themselves which, once

they hit the newspapers overseas, are analysed outside the context.

 

Sure, improvements are needed, but I can assure

you, improvements are needed across the board,

not just for indigenous people, and not just in Australia.

 

 

 

At 06:28 PM 6/06/2008, you wrote:

 

>Is your land sinking beneath the ocean waves?

>Can you learn to convert your ocean water to drinking water?

>The only problem I see with Australia is that they are nasty

>to their indigenous people.

>

>

>

> And you

> > deem, judging from a distance, with no

> > understanding of the conditions here, that we could have a few more

>here?

> >

> > I don't mind criticism,. but let it be constructive, not snide.

> >

>

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According to other " experts " the warming trend will start reversing in about 4 years and we will start entering another ice age. They say it is a 30,000 year cycle. So in case they are right, just hold on and survive, and then we will be freezing for lack of enough fuel to keep all of us warm on the planet.

Here in Estonia we have had above average rain for spring, but our winter was without much snow, warmer than normal. We are in a very typical and average summer at the moment, who knows what next winter will bring. If I see signs of the new ice age I will send out a warning, being so close to the arctic circle, I guess we will witness it first up here.

We have a major decrease of water in the Baltic Sea, levels down 40 cm. In fact some small lakes on some Islands that get Sea water are without and we are in an effort to save the fish. They say it is extra tide movements, an alignment of the moon, fresh water lakes are full from the rain.

Craig

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Who knows - this week on some documentary here we were told that the arctic is melting at such a rate together with parts of the Himalayas that the whole structure of the planet as we know it will change. So I guess you melt some you freeze some .... what with the weather and the politicians between them we might just as well get on with life!

 

Jane

 

 

Craig Rawlings

According to other "experts" the warming trend will start reversing in about 4 years and we will start entering another ice age. They say it is a 30,000 year cycle. So in case they are right, just hold on and survive, and then we will be freezing for lack of enough fuel to keep all of us warm on the planet. Here in Estonia we have had above average rain for spring, but our winter was without much snow, warmer than normal. We are in a very typical and average summer at the moment, who knows what next winter will bring. If I see signs of the new ice age I will send out a warning, being so close to the arctic circle, I guess we will witness it first up here. We have a major decrease of water in the Baltic Sea, levels down 40 cm. In fact some small lakes on some Islands that get Sea water are without and we are in an effort to save the fish. They say it is extra tide movements, an alignment of the moon, fresh water lakes are full from the rain.Craig