Guest guest Posted May 24, 2008 Report Share Posted May 24, 2008 If you haven't seen this article from Global Research before, read it here. Former senior advisor to Sen Bob Dole ®, Stanley Hilton: " This (9/11) was all planned. This was a government-ordered operation. Bush personally signed the order. He personally authorized the attacks. He is guilty of treason and mass murder. " George W Bush Authorized 911 Attacks Says Government Insider Transcript of Radio Interview with Stanley Hilton Global Research, May 23, 2008 Pakistan Daily - 2008-05-20 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2008 Report Share Posted May 24, 2008 Where would one go? Running away is not the answer, banding together and standing up, and not only the people in USA but worldwide. Those who can make it, go to Washington on July 12 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOBsXHxzwKw or join in to help Alex Jones to get the message out via television which he is working towards to, beating the mainstream media in their own game to reach the people. Hanneke At 01:13 PM 24/05/2008, you wrote: If you haven't seen this article from Global Research before, read it here. Former senior advisor to Sen Bob Dole ®, Stanley Hilton: " This (9/11) was all planned. This was a government-ordered operation. Bush personally signed the order. He personally authorized the attacks. He is guilty of treason and mass murder. " George W Bush Authorized 911 Attacks Says Government Insider Transcript of Radio Interview with Stanley Hilton Global Research, May 23, 2008 Pakistan Daily - 2008-05-20 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2008 Report Share Posted May 24, 2008 To stay within the scope of this forum, i will speak in the context of " Healing. " What does it take to heal a sick nation? i honestly do not know. Before the healing, the nation must first come to awareness that it is sick - at the moment the majority is blinded by greed and the game of control over others. Everyday i hear the siren - the siren of what is to come. Sort of like that colorful cloud formation just before the China earthquake. And each day, the siren is louder than the day before... I intuit that it is close, whatever it is. Fight or flee? that's a big question. I do not know... I have a number of places in mind, i could share that in PM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2008 Report Share Posted May 24, 2008 I can't go anywhere. I have two cats. http://tectonicforces.blogspot.com/2008/02/blog-post_11.html - " Kris *ii7y " <Krisof+ Saturday, May 24, 2008 12:17 AM Re: Is it time to leave USA? To stay within the scope of this forum, i will speak in the context of " Healing. " What does it take to heal a sick nation? i honestly do not know. Before the healing, the nation must first come to awareness that it is sick - at the moment the majority is blinded by greed and the game of control over others. Everyday i hear the siren - the siren of what is to come. Sort of like that colorful cloud formation just before the China earthquake. And each day, the siren is louder than the day before... I intuit that it is close, whatever it is. Fight or flee? that's a big question. I do not know... I have a number of places in mind, i could share that in PM. --- «¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤» § - PULSE ON 21st CENTURY ALTERNATIVE MEDICINE! § Subscribe:......... - «¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤» DISCLOSURE: Any information here in is for educational purpose only; it may be news related, purely speculation or SOMEONE'S OPINION. Always consult with a qualified Medical Doctor before deciding on any course of treatment, especially for serious or life-threatening illnesses. SUBMISSION POLICY & CONDITION OF MEMBERSHIP: By becoming a member of this group you AGREE to hold this group its members, list owners, moderators and affiliates harmless of any liability for any direct, consequential, incidental, damage incurred. Anything going to this list may eventually be posted on another list. If you post a piece to the list. We reserve the right to attach your name and email address to the piece, as well as to keep them on record. You should NOT post copyrighted material unless proper attributions to the source of the material are made. Submissions are gladly accepted. Please feel free to post material that you think is worthy. YOU AGREE; to accept responsibility and liability for your own actions and to contact a licensed Medical Doctor before deciding on any course of treatment, especially for serious or life-threatening illnesses. IF YOU DO NOT AGREE; you must : Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2008 Report Share Posted May 24, 2008 Don't bother coming to Canada---we are no better...and besides we will all be one shortly anyway...all one big sinking ship....Bill West <coffeemon2002 wrote: I can't go anywhere. I have two cats.http://tectonicforces.blogspot.com/2008/02/blog-post_11.html----- Original Message ----- "Kris *ii7y" <Krisof+@gmail.com>Saturday, May 24, 2008 12:17 AM Re: Is it time to leave USA?To stay within the scope of this forum, i will speak in the context of"Healing."What does it take to heal a sick nation?i honestly do not know.Before the healing, the nation must first come to awareness that it issick - at the moment the majority is blinded by greed and the game ofcontrol over others.Everyday i hear the siren - the siren of what is to come. Sort of likethat colorful cloud formation just before the China earthquake.And each day, the siren is louder than the day before...I intuit that it is close, whatever it is.Fight or flee? that's a big question. I do not know...I have a number of places in mind, i could share that in PM.---«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»§ - PULSE ON 21st CENTURY ALTERNATIVE MEDICINE! §Subscribe:......... - «¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»DISCLOSURE:Any information here in is for educational purpose only; it may be news related, purely speculation or SOMEONE'S OPINION. Always consult with a qualified Medical Doctor before deciding on any course of treatment, especially for serious or life-threatening illnesses.SUBMISSION POLICY & CONDITION OF MEMBERSHIP:By becoming a member of this group you AGREE to hold this group its members, list owners, moderators and affiliates harmless of any liability for any direct, consequential, incidental, damage incurred.Anything going to this list may eventually be posted on another list.If you post a piece to the list. We reserve the right to attach yourname and email address to the piece, as well as to keep them on record.You should NOT post copyrighted material unless proper attributionsto the source of the material are made.Submissions are gladly accepted. Please feel free to post material thatyou think is worthy.YOU AGREE; to accept responsibility and liability for your own actions and to contact a licensed Medical Doctor before deciding on any course of treatment, especially for serious or life-threatening illnesses.IF YOU DO NOT AGREE; you must : Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2008 Report Share Posted May 24, 2008 Australia is not too bad... you might have to leave your SUV back in USA though as the gas prices are a little crazier than before... a (very) rough calculation gives about 1 gallon for 6 dollars plus now...oh and we are not to complain either because Shell told us so.. we are not the dearest country for fuel yet. At 02:42 PM 24/05/2008, you wrote: Don't bother coming to Canada---we are no better...and besides we will all be one shortly anyway...all one big sinking ship.... Bill West <coffeemon2002 wrote: I can't go anywhere. I have two cats. http://tectonicforces.blogspot.com/2008/02/blog-post_11.html - " Kris *ii7y " <Krisof+ To: < > Saturday, May 24, 2008 12:17 AM Re: Is it time to leave USA? To stay within the scope of this forum, i will speak in the context of " Healing. " What does it take to heal a sick nation? i honestly do not know. Before the healing, the nation must first come to awareness that it is sick - at the moment the majority is blinded by greed and the game of control over others. Everyday i hear the siren - the siren of what is to come. Sort of like that colorful cloud formation just before the China earthquake. And each day, the siren is louder than the day before... I intuit that it is close, whatever it is. Fight or flee? that's a big question. I do not know... I have a number of places in mind, i could share that in PM. --- «¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤» § - PULSE ON 21st CENTURY ALTERNATIVE MEDICINE! § Subscribe:......... - «¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤» DISCLOSURE: Any information here in is for educational purpose only; it may be news related, purely speculation or SOMEONE'S OPINION. Always consult with a qualified Medical Doctor before deciding on any course of treatment, especially for serious or life-threatening illnesses. SUBMISSION POLICY & CONDITION OF MEMBERSHIP: By becoming a member of this group you AGREE to hold this group its members, list owners, moderators and affiliates harmless of any liability for any direct, consequential, incidental, damage incurred. Anything going to this list may eventually be posted on another list. If you post a piece to the list. We reserve the right to attach your name and email address to the piece, as well as to keep them on record. You should NOT post copyrighted material unless proper attributions to the source of the material are made. Submissions are gladly accepted. Please feel free to post material that you think is worthy. YOU AGREE; to accept responsibility and liability for your own actions and to contact a licensed Medical Doctor before deciding on any course of treatment, especially for serious or life-threatening illnesses. IF YOU DO NOT AGREE; you must : Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2008 Report Share Posted May 24, 2008 Hi Bee and Hanneke, In my mind, most Commonwealth Nations of British descent have similar culture, and would be similarly affected by the political wind. I do believe Canada and OZ would be safer, lest by a small margin. Still, the difference could be between living at home vs in a FEMA camp for some people. The primary targets of global agenda at this point appears to be US and UK. They are both in the bull's eye. So, it would for now be wise to stand aside from the falling knife. The main focus appears to be to break the will of the American people, who by nature are the most independent and freedom loving, despite the temporary illusion we seem to be in right now. Prosperity leads to apathy, apathy leads to greed (unearned wealth), and greed leads to the destruction of the very fabric of our society. Kris Australia is not too bad... > Don't bother coming to Canada---we are no better...and besides we will all be one shortly anyway...all one big sinking ship.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2008 Report Share Posted May 24, 2008 I believe you are spot on, with the UK a lot further on the path of being in a police state like situation. People from the UK here, can you tell us about it. I do believe though that Canada is also further than we might want to believe, not in the least as being part of the NAU, with Canadian army allowed to do the work in the USA in case of an emergency (which is to be interpreted as such by the US president). Most of the US army is deployed thousands of miles from home. Bea might have more relevant info on this. H. At 04:16 PM 24/05/2008, you wrote: >Hi Bee and Hanneke, > >In my mind, most Commonwealth Nations of British descent have similar >culture, and would be similarly affected by the political wind. I do >believe Canada and OZ would be safer, lest by a small margin. Still, >the difference could be between living at home vs in a FEMA camp for >some people. > >The primary targets of global agenda at this point appears to be US >and UK. They are both in the bull's eye. So, it would for now be wise >to stand aside from the falling knife. > >The main focus appears to be to break the will of the American people, >who by nature are the most independent and freedom loving, despite the >temporary illusion we seem to be in right now. Prosperity leads to >apathy, apathy leads to greed (unearned wealth), and greed leads to >the destruction of the very fabric of our society. > >Kris > > >Australia is not too bad... > > > Don't bother coming to Canada---we are no better...and besides we >will all be one shortly anyway...all one big sinking ship.... > > > >--- > >«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤» > >§ - PULSE ON 21st CENTURY ALTERNATIVE MEDICINE! § > > >Subscribe:......... - > >«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤» > >DISCLOSURE: > >Any information here in is for educational >purpose only; it may be news related, purely >speculation or SOMEONE’S OPINION. Always consult >with a qualified Medical Doctor before deciding >on any course of treatment, especially for >serious or life-threatening illnesses. > >SUBMISSION POLICY & CONDITION OF MEMBERSHIP: > >By becoming a member of this group you AGREE to >hold this group its members, list owners, >moderators and affiliates harmless of any >liability for any direct, consequential, incidental, damage incurred. > >Anything going to this list may eventually be posted on another list. >If you post a piece to the list. We reserve the right to attach your >name and email address to the piece, as well as to keep them on record. >You should NOT post copyrighted material unless proper attributions >to the source of the material are made. >Submissions are gladly accepted. Please feel free to post material that >you think is worthy. > >YOU AGREE; to accept responsibility and >liability for your own actions and to contact a >licensed Medical Doctor before deciding on any >course of treatment, especially for serious or life-threatening illnesses. > >IF YOU DO NOT AGREE; you must : > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2008 Report Share Posted May 24, 2008 For those who wish not to venture out of the country, living in a small town away from big cities would be an alternative. In fact maybe better than moving to marginally safer countries. You can grow your own food, must have water nearby. Remember Henry David Thoreau? Well he actually did not spend much time in wilderness, but he did write about it as if he did and he liked the idea, even then... I do like New Hampshire, among other places. Kris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2008 Report Share Posted May 24, 2008 Yarra Valley suits me fine in my 40 acres of fern gully wilderness Jane " Kris *ii7y " <Krisof+ For those who wish not to venture out of the country, living in a small town away from big cities would be an alternative. In fact maybe better than moving to marginally safer countries. You can grow your own food, must have water nearby. Remember Henry David Thoreau? Well he actually did not spend much time in wilderness, but he did write about it as if he did and he liked the idea, even then... I do like New Hampshire, among other places. Kris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2008 Report Share Posted May 24, 2008 If I moved to the country I'd opt for an old fashioned piece of " bottomland " with some water and a house on a hill. - " Jane MacRoss " <highfield1 Saturday, May 24, 2008 4:01 AM Re: Re: Is it time to leave USA? Yarra Valley suits me fine in my 40 acres of fern gully wilderness Jane " Kris *ii7y " <Krisof+ For those who wish not to venture out of the country, living in a small town away from big cities would be an alternative. In fact maybe better than moving to marginally safer countries. You can grow your own food, must have water nearby. Remember Henry David Thoreau? Well he actually did not spend much time in wilderness, but he did write about it as if he did and he liked the idea, even then... I do like New Hampshire, among other places. Kris --- «¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤» § - PULSE ON 21st CENTURY ALTERNATIVE MEDICINE! § Subscribe:......... - «¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤» DISCLOSURE: Any information here in is for educational purpose only; it may be news related, purely speculation or SOMEONE'S OPINION. Always consult with a qualified Medical Doctor before deciding on any course of treatment, especially for serious or life-threatening illnesses. SUBMISSION POLICY & CONDITION OF MEMBERSHIP: By becoming a member of this group you AGREE to hold this group its members, list owners, moderators and affiliates harmless of any liability for any direct, consequential, incidental, damage incurred. Anything going to this list may eventually be posted on another list. If you post a piece to the list. We reserve the right to attach your name and email address to the piece, as well as to keep them on record. You should NOT post copyrighted material unless proper attributions to the source of the material are made. Submissions are gladly accepted. Please feel free to post material that you think is worthy. YOU AGREE; to accept responsibility and liability for your own actions and to contact a licensed Medical Doctor before deciding on any course of treatment, especially for serious or life-threatening illnesses. IF YOU DO NOT AGREE; you must : Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2008 Report Share Posted May 24, 2008 Please don't come to Hawaii either. After 9/ll we got all these transplants from the east coast JUMPING SHIP and moving here. Not so bad if they move and leave their demanding habits behind but NO, they move and start demanding for more roads more this more that. Not happy to just be here and accept Hawaii for what it is NOT!!! Americans are never happy without all of their conveniences and their own types around them and ruin anywhere they move to. Josephine , " Kris *ii7y " <Krisof+ wrote: > > Hi Bee and Hanneke, > > In my mind, most Commonwealth Nations of British descent have similar > culture, and would be similarly affected by the political wind. I do > believe Canada and OZ would be safer, lest by a small margin. Still, > the difference could be between living at home vs in a FEMA camp for > some people. > > The primary targets of global agenda at this point appears to be US > and UK. They are both in the bull's eye. So, it would for now be wise > to stand aside from the falling knife. > > The main focus appears to be to break the will of the American people, > who by nature are the most independent and freedom loving, despite the > temporary illusion we seem to be in right now. Prosperity leads to > apathy, apathy leads to greed (unearned wealth), and greed leads to > the destruction of the very fabric of our society. > > Kris > > > Australia is not too bad... > > > Don't bother coming to Canada---we are no better...and besides we > will all be one shortly anyway...all one big sinking ship.... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2008 Report Share Posted May 24, 2008 I'm not big on " invading " other places. - " jlkinkona " <josephine Saturday, May 24, 2008 1:37 PM Re: Is it time to leave USA? Please don't come to Hawaii either. After 9/ll we got all these transplants from the east coast JUMPING SHIP and moving here. Not so bad if they move and leave their demanding habits behind but NO, they move and start demanding for more roads more this more that. Not happy to just be here and accept Hawaii for what it is NOT!!! Americans are never happy without all of their conveniences and their own types around them and ruin anywhere they move to. Josephine , " Kris *ii7y " <Krisof+ wrote: > > Hi Bee and Hanneke, > > In my mind, most Commonwealth Nations of British descent have similar > culture, and would be similarly affected by the political wind. I do > believe Canada and OZ would be safer, lest by a small margin. Still, > the difference could be between living at home vs in a FEMA camp for > some people. > > The primary targets of global agenda at this point appears to be US > and UK. They are both in the bull's eye. So, it would for now be wise > to stand aside from the falling knife. > > The main focus appears to be to break the will of the American people, > who by nature are the most independent and freedom loving, despite the > temporary illusion we seem to be in right now. Prosperity leads to > apathy, apathy leads to greed (unearned wealth), and greed leads to > the destruction of the very fabric of our society. > > Kris > > > Australia is not too bad... > > > Don't bother coming to Canada---we are no better...and besides we > will all be one shortly anyway...all one big sinking ship.... > --- «¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤» § - PULSE ON 21st CENTURY ALTERNATIVE MEDICINE! § Subscribe:......... - «¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤» DISCLOSURE: Any information here in is for educational purpose only; it may be news related, purely speculation or SOMEONE'S OPINION. Always consult with a qualified Medical Doctor before deciding on any course of treatment, especially for serious or life-threatening illnesses. SUBMISSION POLICY & CONDITION OF MEMBERSHIP: By becoming a member of this group you AGREE to hold this group its members, list owners, moderators and affiliates harmless of any liability for any direct, consequential, incidental, damage incurred. Anything going to this list may eventually be posted on another list. If you post a piece to the list. We reserve the right to attach your name and email address to the piece, as well as to keep them on record. You should NOT post copyrighted material unless proper attributions to the source of the material are made. Submissions are gladly accepted. Please feel free to post material that you think is worthy. YOU AGREE; to accept responsibility and liability for your own actions and to contact a licensed Medical Doctor before deciding on any course of treatment, especially for serious or life-threatening illnesses. IF YOU DO NOT AGREE; you must : Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 24, 2008 Report Share Posted May 24, 2008 Hawaii? nice weather, etc., still in the USA. There are many islands in Pacific (and elsewhere) that are not controlled by DC. I am not much of an island person - i prefer continents. Latin America, or even Southern Europa would be interesting place to look into... " jlkinkona " <josephine wrote: Please don't come to Hawaii either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2008 Report Share Posted May 25, 2008 Yup, but people still like moving to Hawaii. Why? because it IS still the USA and thus they would have the same rights as they did on the continent. In other words, if someone steals their car, they can still trust that the police will investigate and find the thief. Not so for a foreign country sometimes. Also, we have a large military training facility in the islands. When they practice, they end up bombing Hawaiian cultural sites. Yeah, the military doesn't treat its native people very well. Many folks who jumped ship from New York, love it that the military is close by to protect them from the " enemy " unaware that the enemy is their own country. Josephine , " Kris *ii7y " <Krisof+ wrote: > > Hawaii? nice weather, etc., still in the USA. There are many islands > in Pacific (and elsewhere) that are not controlled by DC. I am not > much of an island person - i prefer continents. Latin America, or even > Southern Europa would be interesting place to look into... > > " jlkinkona " <josephine@> wrote: Please don't come to Hawaii either. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 25, 2008 Report Share Posted May 25, 2008 Rights? What rights? Frankly my dear, i'd rather have my car stolen and forget about it than to have the police watch every move you make, looking for excuse to lock you up. The real power of a police state is when the neighbors turn you in... That's how it works... That's how it worked in prewar Germany. Here we are... except worse... Kris " jlkinkona " <josephine wrote: > > Yup, but people still like moving to Hawaii. Why? because it IS still > the USA and thus they would have the same rights as they did on the > continent... Many folks who jumped ship from New York, love it > that the military is close by to protect them from the " enemy " unaware > that the enemy is their own country. Josephine > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 26, 2008 Report Share Posted May 26, 2008 You are right. Sometimes I wonder about our police too especially now that they get to use the tasers. Speaking about neighbors turning neighbors in, that is the exactly what many of the transplants actually do to each other in their rich neighborhoods. If the neighbor is violating the covenants and depreciating the value of their home, they complain and complain until the person gets so uncomfortable they either conform or move out. I saw this happen to a woman who had a small dog that would bark once in a while. The bark wasn't even a loud bark but the neighbor had a patio facing her house and complained so much that she almost debarked the dog. She later ended up moving. I like it now that our volcano has erupted and is polluting the islands with a thick haze because maybe this might make some of these transplants pack up and move back to the continent. They all buy " ocean view " homes. Well guess what? We got no views of the ocean anymore because of the vog. Sometimes its good when nature takes over. Josephine. , " Kris *ii7y " <Krisof+ wrote: > > Rights? What rights? Frankly my dear, i'd rather have my car stolen > and forget about it than to have the police watch every move you make, > looking for excuse to lock you up. The real power of a police state is > when the neighbors turn you in... That's how it works... That's how it > worked in prewar Germany. Here we are... except worse... > > Kris > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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