Guest guest Posted November 3, 2003 Report Share Posted November 3, 2003 Can you give us some details? Is it in a chronic -unhealing pattern, or is it active (red, lots of pus, etc)? Color? Temp? Pus? etc etc.. If it's in a chronic un-healing pattern.. then here's a story: We had a diabetic patient in school with very long term foot sores... about 10 years or so (nearly homeless). It was bad... we had to run the fans in the Tx room for an hour to get rid of the smell. We used an external soak that had some of the std Abx type fns (Da Qing Ye, Huang Lian, etc), skin sore herbs (ku shen, da qing ye (double fn), etc), Zao Jiao Ci, and a massive dose of Huang Qi. I believe it was about 150 or 250 gms to make up enough soak to put his foot into. I kid you not, the next week they were completely closed over. But - it all depends on what the sores look like. Staph doesn't mean anything in TCM. Geoff < wrote: Does anyone have any experience treating staph? The patient has multiple 2 month old sores. The largest is about 2 inches diameter. Antibiotics have not been used. The pattern is blood xu, some heat, and liver qi, ans spleen xu… but do not believe that a pure pattern based approach is going to do it. Staph in general can be quite difficult to treat. Any advice on topicals or internal rxs would be appreciated. Chinese sources would be great… Just tried the 1st formula today- 50% based on pattern, 50% based on anti-staph herbs (i.e. huang qin, pu gongying etc.) thanx in advance, Protect your identity with Mail AddressGuard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2003 Report Share Posted November 4, 2003 , Geoff <yingsuke2002> wrote: > Can you give us some details? Is it in a chronic -unhealing pattern, or is it active (red, lots of pus, etc)? Color? Temp? Pus? etc etc.. > > If it's in a chronic un-healing pattern.. then here's a story: We had a diabetic patient in school with very long term foot sores... about 10 years or so (nearly homeless). It was bad... we had to run the fans in the Tx room for an hour to get rid of the smell. We used an external soak that had some of the std Abx type fns (Da Qing Ye, Huang Lian, etc), skin sore herbs (ku shen, da qing ye (double fn), etc), Zao Jiao Ci, and a massive dose of Huang Qi. I believe it was about 150 or 250 gms to make up enough soak to put his foot into. I kid you not, the next week they were completely closed over. > > But - it all depends on what the sores look like. Staph doesn't mean anything in TCM. > Geoff > G, Thanx for your response... But I will disagree that stpah does not mean anything in TCM, I beleive it means alot. Maybe not classical CM, but TCM definitly uses this information. and this is what I am looking for. I mentioned the duration, which was 2 months...the 2 inch sore is open and pus and blood, pain etc... Which is typical of staph infection of that size, from my understnading. THis guy actually lived in hawaii, and many many people there have similiar situations.... It is also my understanding that staph is systemic and must be addressed internally as well... Any info would be great, I haven't had time to really research this.... Do you actually have some information or are you just 'looking' for more information?? Furthermore, I believe (I could be wrong) that a non-healing non- staph sore is treated different than a staph infection multiple sore... therefore I beleive knowing about staph from a TCM perspective is valuable... Do you read chinese Geoff? - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2003 Report Share Posted November 4, 2003 , Geoff <yingsuke2002> wrote: > Can you give us some details? Is it in a chronic -unhealing pattern, or is it active (red, lots of pus, etc)? Color? Temp? Pus? etc etc.. > > If it's in a chronic un-healing pattern.. then here's a story: We had a diabetic patient in school with very long term foot sores... about 10 years or so (nearly homeless). It was bad... we had to run the fans in the Tx room for an hour to get rid of the smell. We used an external soak that had some of the std Abx type fns (Da Qing Ye, Huang Lian, etc), skin sore herbs (ku shen, da qing ye (double fn), etc), Zao Jiao Ci, and a massive dose of Huang Qi. I believe it was about 150 or 250 gms to make up enough soak to put his foot into. I kid you not, the next week they were completely closed over. > > But - it all depends on what the sores look like. Staph doesn't mean anything in TCM. > Geoff > G, Thanx for your response... But I will disagree that stpah does not mean anything in TCM, I believe it means alot. Maybe not classical CM, but TCM definitely uses this information. and this is what I am looking for. I mentioned the duration, which was 2 months...the 2 inch sore is open with pus and blood, pain etc... Which is typical of staph infections of that size, from my understanding? This guy actually lived in Hawaii, and many many people there have similar situations.... It is also my understanding that staph is systemic and must be addressed internally as well... Any info would be great, I haven't had time to really research this.... Do you actually have some information or are you just 'looking' for more information?? Furthermore, I believe (I could be wrong) that a non-healing non- staph sore is treated different than a staph infections sores... therefore I believe knowing about staph from a TCM perspective is valuable... Do you read Chinese Geoff? - Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2003 Report Share Posted November 4, 2003 If it's in a chronic un-healing pattern.. then here's a story: We had a diabetic patient in school with very long term foot sores... about 10 years or so (nearly homeless). It was bad... we had to run the fans in the Tx room for an hour to get rid of the smell. We used an external soak that had some of the std Abx type fns (Da Qing Ye, Huang Lian, etc), skin sore herbs (ku shen, da qing ye (double fn), etc), Zao Jiao Ci, and a massive dose of Huang Qi. I believe it was about 150 or 250 gms to make up enough soak to put his foot into. I kid you not, the next week they were completely closed over. >>>>Geoff where was this? quite a success story. I never heard of high dose external huang qi. alon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2003 Report Share Posted November 4, 2003 But I will disagree that stpah does not mean anything in TCM, I beleive it means alot. Maybe not classical CM, but TCM definitely uses this information. and this is what I am looking for. >>>If you know what it looks like that is the same information one needs for the CM diagnosis. Just like saying one has arthrosis. From this one can tell much about the TCM dx. One needs however to understand what arthrosis is, how it manifests, who has it, etc. alon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2003 Report Share Posted November 4, 2003 Jason you can also try to cover the sores with honey. This often works well for skin infections and you can back it up legally by doing a medsearch alon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2003 Report Share Posted November 4, 2003 Jason you can also try to cover the sores with honey. This often works well for skin infections and you can back it up legally by doing a medsearch >>>We have used it here in the hospital some times with fascinating results is it for its suplementing yang within yin qualaties? " creating(more yang) flesh (more yin) " Marco Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2003 Report Share Posted November 4, 2003 If you know what it looks like that is the same information one needs for the CM diagnosis. Just like saying one has arthrosis. From this one can tell much about the TCM dx. One needs however to understand what arthrosis is, how it manifests, who has it, etc. >>>Now we have some ideas that sounds more like taking the person in to the consideration whilst treating the dis-ease and disease (Chinese/Western). Will meditate on this...and add to " my recipe book " Marco Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 4, 2003 Report Share Posted November 4, 2003 , " Alon Marcus " <alonmarcus@w...> wrote: > Jason you can also try to cover the sores with honey. This often works well for skin infections and you can back it up legally by doing a medsearch > alon > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2003 Report Share Posted November 5, 2003 Jason - That's fine to disagree, just be sure to use your exams when diagnosing your patient and you'll be ok. It when you assume that if it's XXX bacteria then it has to be XXX TCM diagnosis. < wrote: But I will disagree that stpah does not mean anything in TCM, I believe it means alot. Maybe not classical CM, but TCM definitely uses this information. and this is valuable... Do you read Chinese Geoff? Only basic stuff.. definately not the Nei Jing... I've tried - talk about confusing! Geoff Protect your identity with Mail AddressGuard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 5, 2003 Report Share Posted November 5, 2003 , Geoff <yingsuke2002> wrote: > Jason - That's fine to disagree, just be sure to use your exams when diagnosing your patient and you'll be ok. It when you assume that if it's XXX bacteria then it has to be XXX TCM diagnosis. thanx for your input.. and I agree 100%... but I always do use the exams, as well as any other information I can obtain, albeit WM, classical SHL, or whatever. More is better in this case... -JAson Blalck > > <@h...> wrote: > > But I will disagree that stpah does not > mean anything in TCM, I believe it means alot. Maybe not classical > CM, but TCM definitely uses this information. and this is > valuable... Do you read Chinese Geoff? > > > Only basic stuff.. definately not the Nei Jing... I've tried - talk about confusing! > > Geoff > > > > > Protect your identity with Mail AddressGuard > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2008 Report Share Posted May 2, 2008 My father has been in the hospital for 1 wk for bladder infection, pnumonia, and now staph in his bones. It has setteled in his sternoclavicular joint. He is going home with iv antibiotics for 6-8 weeks. I have been treating every day with theives on feet, at joint site and through breath. I am thinking ambrotose supplement, Bach's flower remedy's and more essential oils...possibly internal. Any suggestions or corrections? Much appreciation for your input, Michelle in oklahoma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2008 Report Share Posted May 4, 2008 Personally I have never had noticeable results from Ambrotose and have found it very expensive - I would do the Miracle II soak in the bath protocol - there is plenty of info on this list in the messages about this - and probably DMSO and MII gel topically and internally? Possibly there will be someone here who can also advise you regarding the addition of CS to this mix ..... Depending on his emotional state I would use Crab Apple with the Bach remedies as well as any specifics .......... Let us know what you decide to use and how you go with these problems - your father is fortunate to have you caring for him with such a difficult case Best, Jane - " michellemilligan03 " <michellemilligan03 Friday, May 02, 2008 9:36 PM staph My father has been in the hospital for 1 wk for bladder infection, pnumonia, and now staph in his bones. It has setteled in his sternoclavicular joint. He is going home with iv antibiotics for 6-8 weeks. I have been treating every day with theives on feet, at joint site and through breath. I am thinking ambrotose supplement, Bach's flower remedy's and more essential oils...possibly internal. Any suggestions or corrections? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2008 Report Share Posted May 4, 2008 Wouldn't colloidal silver be good for this type of infection?Jane MacRoss <highfield1 wrote: Personally I have never had noticeable results from Ambrotose and have found it very expensive - I would do the Miracle II soak in the bath protocol - there is plenty of info on this list in the messages about this - and probably DMSO and MII gel topically and internally? Possibly there will be someone here who can also advise you regarding the addition of CS to this mix .....Depending on his emotional state I would use Crab Apple with the Bach remedies as well as any specifics ..........Let us know what you decide to use and how you go with these problems - your father is fortunate to have you caring for him with such a difficult caseBest,Jane- "michellemilligan03" <michellemilligan03 >Friday, May 02, 2008 9:36 PM staphMy father has been in the hospital for 1 wk for bladder infection,pnumonia, and now staph in his bones. It has setteled in hissternoclavicular joint. He is going home with iv antibiotics for 6-8weeks.I have been treating every day with theives on feet, at joint site andthrough breath.I am thinking ambrotose supplement, Bach's flower remedy's and moreessential oils...possibly internal. Any suggestions or corrections? Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2008 Report Share Posted May 4, 2008 Yes - thats why I included it below - Bea Bernhausen Sunday, May 04, 2008 4:46 PM Re: staph Wouldn't colloidal silver be good for this type of infection?Jane MacRoss <highfield1 wrote: Personally I have never had noticeable results from Ambrotose and have found it very expensive - I would do the Miracle II soak in the bath protocol - there is plenty of info on this list in the messages about this - and probably DMSO and MII gel topically and internally? Possibly there will be someone here who can also advise you regarding the addition of CS to this mix ..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2008 Report Share Posted May 4, 2008 ah ic---i missed that...Jane MacRoss <highfield1 wrote: Yes - thats why I included it below - Bea Bernhausen Sunday, May 04, 2008 4:46 PM Re: staph Wouldn't colloidal silver be good for this type of infection?Jane MacRoss <highfield1 (AT) activ8 (DOT) net.au> wrote: Personally I have never had noticeable results from Ambrotose and have found it very expensive - I would do the Miracle II soak in the bath protocol - there is plenty of info on this list in the messages about this - and probably DMSO and MII gel topically and internally? Possibly there will be someone here who can also advise you regarding the addition of CS to this mix ...... Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Mobile. Try it now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2008 Report Share Posted May 4, 2008 michelle, keep using thieves, on the bottom of the feet , at least three times a day..and have him smell it often...i would add the essential oil of Frankincense on the chest, smell and on the bottom of the feet!......forget about ambrotose and flower remedies, they are not strong enough in this instance.....visit transferpoint.com get their beta 1, 3d glucan,it is the most powerful immune system modulator on the planet! or at the least get olive leaf extract.......visit ncpmiracle2.com and get the moisturizing soap and the neutralizer, then get him in a tub with once ounce each of these two products and just soak, do this two nights in a row, then and only then start putting a dropper full of the neutralizer in everything he drinks....increase the amount of neutralizer daily til you are putting an ounce at a time in him!!!!!!! i have done this in and on my then critically ill wife and did what the infectious dis-ease expert said was impossible, got the MRSA COMPLETELY OUT of her critically ill body!!! . you will need to re-establish his friendly bacteria as the anti-biotics will destroy them.........feed him organic juices if you can not juice for him and keep anykind foods that are acid out of his diet until he is well.......no flesh during this time! there's more you can do, but this should be enough! Kraig p.s. fyi.....i took my wife off of their anti-biotic called " VANK " ! they were doing it i.v. as well! Kraig Carroll Environmental Damage Repair --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.859 / Virus Database: 585 - Release 2/14/05 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2008 Report Share Posted May 4, 2008 thank you for your response. can you clarify DMSO, MII, and CS? Plus in an effort to save time, could someone post a direct link to Miracle II distributor. I have read often about it here, but have failed to record any links to purchase. Thanks you so much for your concern. Michelle , " Jane MacRoss " <highfield1 wrote: > > Personally I have never had noticeable results from Ambrotose and have found > it very expensive - I would do the Miracle II soak in the bath protocol - > there is plenty of info on this list in the messages about this - and > probably DMSO and MII gel topically and internally? Possibly there will be > someone here who can also advise you regarding the addition of CS to this > mix ..... > > Depending on his emotional state I would use Crab Apple with the Bach > remedies as well as any specifics .......... > > Let us know what you decide to use and how you go with these problems - your > father is fortunate to have you caring for him with such a difficult case > > Best, > > Jane > - > " michellemilligan03 " <michellemilligan03 > > Friday, May 02, 2008 9:36 PM > staph > > > My father has been in the hospital for 1 wk for bladder infection, > pnumonia, and now staph in his bones. It has setteled in his > sternoclavicular joint. He is going home with iv antibiotics for 6- 8 > weeks. > I have been treating every day with theives on feet, at joint site and > through breath. > I am thinking ambrotose supplement, Bach's flower remedy's and more > essential oils...possibly internal. Any suggestions or corrections? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2008 Report Share Posted May 4, 2008 Sounds like everything you're doing is very good. Ambrotose takes a while to build up in your system and so you might not see evidence of its working for several weeks. You might also try colloidal silver. , " michellemilligan03 " <michellemilligan03 wrote: > > My father has been in the hospital for 1 wk for bladder infection, > pnumonia, and now staph in his bones. It has setteled in his > sternoclavicular joint. He is going home with iv antibiotics for 6-8 > weeks. > I have been treating every day with theives on feet, at joint site and > through breath. > I am thinking ambrotose supplement, Bach's flower remedy's and more > essential oils...possibly internal. Any suggestions or corrections? > > Much appreciation for your input, > Michelle in oklahoma > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2008 Report Share Posted May 4, 2008 I have a product that kills staph and is completly botanical. i will have to look up exactly what is in it. > Wouldn't colloidal silver be good for this type of > infection? > > Jane MacRoss <highfield1 wrote: > Personally I have never had noticeable results from > Ambrotose and have found it very expensive - I would do > the Miracle II soak in the bath protocol - there is > plenty of info on this list in the messages about this - > and probably DMSO and MII gel topically and internally? > Possibly there will be someone here who can also advise > you regarding the addition of CS to this mix ..... > > Depending on his emotional state I would use Crab Apple > with the Bach remedies as well as any specifics > .......... > > Let us know what you decide to use and how you go with > these problems - your father is fortunate to have you > caring for him with such a difficult case > > Best, > > Jane > - > " michellemilligan03 " <michellemilligan03 > > Friday, May 02, 2008 9:36 PM > staph > > My father has been in the hospital for 1 wk for bladder > infection, pnumonia, and now staph in his bones. It has > setteled in his sternoclavicular joint. He is going home > with iv antibiotics for 6-8 weeks. > I have been treating every day with theives on feet, at > joint site and through breath. > I am thinking ambrotose supplement, Bach's flower remedy's > and more essential oils...possibly internal. Any > suggestions or corrections? > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with > Mobile. Try it now. Jodie Moore Would you like more information on nontoxic home care products? Just ask! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 4, 2008 Report Share Posted May 4, 2008 Isn't Iodine excellent against staff? Would Iodoral pills help? Just wondering. Josephine , " Tina " <mommyon731 wrote: > > Sounds like everything you're doing is very good. Ambrotose takes a > while to build up in your system and so you might not see evidence of > its working for several weeks. > You might also try colloidal silver. > > , " michellemilligan03 " > <michellemilligan03@> wrote: > > > > My father has been in the hospital for 1 wk for bladder infection, > > pnumonia, and now staph in his bones. It has setteled in his > > sternoclavicular joint. He is going home with iv antibiotics for Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 5, 2008 Report Share Posted May 5, 2008 Thank you so much everyone who has given imput. I ordered the miricle II stuff and will buy some silver tomorrow. Will continue with theives and add frankensence. I'll let you know how it goes... Michelle , " michellemilligan03 " <michellemilligan03 wrote: > > My father has been in the hospital for 1 wk for bladder infection, > pnumonia, and now staph in his bones. It has setteled in his > sternoclavicular joint. He is going home with iv antibiotics for 6-8 > weeks. > I have been treating every day with theives on feet, at joint site and > through breath. > I am thinking ambrotose supplement, Bach's flower remedy's and more > essential oils...possibly internal. Any suggestions or corrections? > > Much appreciation for your input, > Michelle in oklahoma > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 6, 2008 Report Share Posted May 6, 2008 www.miracle2onlline.com 1-866-839-5189 ask for Deb - " michellemilligan03 " <michellemilligan03 Sunday, May 04, 2008 7:34 AM Re: staph thank you for your response. can you clarify DMSO, MII, and CS? Plus in an effort to save time, could someone post a direct link to Miracle II distributor. I have read often about it here, but have failed to record any links to purchase. Thanks you so much for your concern. Michelle , " Jane MacRoss " <highfield1 wrote: > > Personally I have never had noticeable results from Ambrotose and have found > it very expensive - I would do the Miracle II soak in the bath protocol - > there is plenty of info on this list in the messages about this - and > probably DMSO and MII gel topically and internally? Possibly there will be > someone here who can also advise you regarding the addition of CS to this > mix ..... > > Depending on his emotional state I would use Crab Apple with the Bach > remedies as well as any specifics .......... > > Let us know what you decide to use and how you go with these problems - your > father is fortunate to have you caring for him with such a difficult case > > Best, > > Jane > - > " michellemilligan03 " <michellemilligan03 > > Friday, May 02, 2008 9:36 PM > staph > > > My father has been in the hospital for 1 wk for bladder infection, > pnumonia, and now staph in his bones. It has setteled in his > sternoclavicular joint. He is going home with iv antibiotics for 6- 8 > weeks. > I have been treating every day with theives on feet, at joint site and > through breath. > I am thinking ambrotose supplement, Bach's flower remedy's and more > essential oils...possibly internal. Any suggestions or corrections? > --- «¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤» § - PULSE ON 21st CENTURY ALTERNATIVE MEDICINE! § Subscribe:......... - «¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤«¤»¥«¤»§«¤»¥«¤»§«¤» DISCLOSURE: Any information here in is for educational purpose only; it may be news related, purely speculation or SOMEONE'S OPINION. Always consult with a qualified Medical Doctor before deciding on any course of treatment, especially for serious or life-threatening illnesses. SUBMISSION POLICY & CONDITION OF MEMBERSHIP: By becoming a member of this group you AGREE to hold this group its members, list owners, moderators and affiliates harmless of any liability for any direct, consequential, incidental, damage incurred. Anything going to this list may eventually be posted on another list. If you post a piece to the list. We reserve the right to attach your name and email address to the piece, as well as to keep them on record. You should NOT post copyrighted material unless proper attributions to the source of the material are made. Submissions are gladly accepted. Please feel free to post material that you think is worthy. YOU AGREE; to accept responsibility and liability for your own actions and to contact a licensed Medical Doctor before deciding on any course of treatment, especially for serious or life-threatening illnesses. IF YOU DO NOT AGREE; you must : Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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