Guest guest Posted April 11, 2008 Report Share Posted April 11, 2008 Hello Lynn, Firstly, the e-mail thing. The wonders of Internet mean that you can be anywhere, and use any e-mail system. My e-mail address has been .uk for years now. I have used it from many countries . Secondly, I trust that you are aware that the mass media is owned by a few small families. They have set agendas, and determine what will be printed or shown, and what will not be printed or shown. If something opposes their agenda, there is no way does it get publicity. This all started waaaay back, with Operation Mockingbird, whereby CIA operatives infiltrated almost every news and media office, to ensure compliance with the agenda. So until Oprah owns her own TV station, she is not free to do what she likes. She has to conform to the agenda. As far as her being a hope is concerned, then she does appear to at least have done some research into the way things really are. I have been doing that for many years now, and have rejected many of my old ideas, and millions of new ones. I have settled on a belief system that is based fundamentally on ancient Yogi lore, which has stood the test of time for over 2000 years. Some might refer to it as new Age clap trap, as in fact I would have only twenty years ago, before conducting my research. As far as Eckhart Tolle is concerned, I believe that if everyone was as enlightened as him, then we would not require this forum!!!There would be none of the Health fubars that we have now. So by giving publicity to alternative ways of thinking, especially when those also on the path realise that the thinking is soundly based, she is doing far more good than those other journalsts who are either unaware of the truth (quite likely), or are unable to publicise it because of the agenda. The aim of most enlightened people is to enable others to be enlightened too, and that is what our present incarnation is all about....... to evolve spiritually, though some as yet are unaware of this. I am happy to answer any questions, in my desire to help wherever possible. I'll just plug my website again, because I believe it might help some. Sorry about the ads, but the site is free. dgwa1.fortunecity.com Best regards David , Lynn Ward <lynnward wrote: > > At 10:26 PM 4/9/2008, you wrote: > > Hi David, > > Got a couple of questions for you, if don't mind........am curious, > you said you live in China but your email says it comes from the > UK.....is it the way email works over there? I've gotten some posts > from a couple of people who live in China, and they had different > headings on them, although I don't exactly remember what they were > right now. I know I would have noticed the UK part, as I have family > that lives in the UK. ...Just curious.......... > > One other thing - I'm curious about - why do you think Oprah is our best hope? > > And, just one comment - Oprah is pretty much free to do whatever she > wants. While she doesn't actually own the Oprah Winfrey show, she's > got an incredible amount of pull - and pretty much does what she > wants...........She owns all kinds of other things, including the > magazine she publishes, is head of a huge media company, owns her own > network, and is considered to be the most powerful woman in > entertainment. Currently, she's worth about $1.4 billion. What Oprah > wants, she gets. When Oprah talks, people listen..... > > Lynn > > > >I am in China, and don't watch TV anyway, yet I still hear some things > >about Oprah > > > >The last I heard was that she had Eckhart Tolle as a guest. Now I > >would be very surprised if anyone had any mud to sling at Eckhart > >Tolle. His over-all message of " The Power of Here and Now " is > >extremely difficult to argue with. > > > >Now, we know that Oprah is an astute woman, and that she is never > >going to invite a guest with whom she doesn't have similar vibrations. > >So we can assume that she is on her way to vibrating in a similar way > >to Eckhart Tolle. We can also assume that she isn't as free to do what > >she might really like to do, because she has to answer to her controllers. > > > >We all express our truth in different ways, and we all interpret other > >truths in different ways. Take any truth about God, for example. > >Before we can make an assessment regarding true or false, we have to > >understand our own truth about God. We all have a different understanding > > > >The word God has been used in so many different contexts, that no two > >people have the same idea. I therefore think her idea is to try to > >eliminate the word god, in order to eliminate the misunderstanding. > > > >I believe that I not able to readily contact anything more subtle than > >what I call my highest self. This is as big as my mind is capable of > >going. I know that there is the rest of infinity out there, but I have > >accepted that it is beyond my grasp. > > > >This gives me the great benefit of being able to cease the > >never-ending search for a while, and to take a rest, and to look > >around, and smell the flowers, and begin to appreciate what Eckart > >Tolle is telling us all. His ideas of God are well worth a listen, or > >read and for sure Oprah has listened to it, if not read it. Echart's > >books are available as audio books, read by himself.). > > > >Please be careful when you use terms like New Age claptrap. > > > >This is also another very misunderstood term. We all have our own idea > >of what New Age means. > > > >But about some of it there is little doubt. The foundatios of the > >so-called new-age movement are the writings from or ancient sages of > >several thousand years ago, and they, more than anything else we may > >discuss, have stood the test of time. > > > >I was lucky to be introduced gently to the ancient Hindu > >understanding, as enhanced by the ideas of the Yogis, through a series > >of books by Yogi Ramacharaka.I have some of them on my website as > >follows. (If anyone would like an e-mailed copy then please let me > >know. I haven't yet worked out how to include a download facility (or > >search) in my website). > > > >The books were written in the early 1900s, and are now free of > >copyright, and available as free downloads from Gutenberg press and > >other places. > > > >The following works by Yogi Ramacharaka are available on this site > > > >We would recommend reading them, in the following order: > > > >The Hindu-Yogi Science of Breath -A Complete Manual of The Oriental > >Breathing Philosphy of Physical, > >Mental, Psychic and Spiritual Development. > > > >Fourteen lessons in Yogi Philosophy and Oriental Occultism > > > >Hatha Yoga -The Yogi Philosophy of Physical Well-Being > > > >A Series of Lessons in Raja Yoga - The Yoga of the Mind - Psychic Healing > > > >The Kybalion - A Study of the Hermetic Philosophy of Ancient Greece > >and Egypt > > > >A Series of Lessons in Gnani Yoga (The Yoga of Wisdom.) > > > >Advanced Course in Yogi Philosophy and Oriental Occultism > > > ><http://dgwa1.fortunecity.com/mind/breath.html>http://dgwa1.fortunecity.com/min\ d/breath.html > > > >Having got the advert out of the way, I would like to summarise by > >saying that I agree that Oprah is a very powerful woman, and I > >believe that she is the best hope that we have got. > > > >Incredibly few of the main media presenters are awake yet, but they > >are telling us what to do. Who in their right mind is going to listen > >to the ramblings of someone who is asleep? > > > >Love and light > > > >David > > > >- > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 11, 2008 Report Share Posted April 11, 2008 At 11:17 PM 4/10/2008, you wrote: David, Was just curious about the email thing. I know one can live anywhere, for example and have a address. But often, when one lives outside the U.S. the email indicates where that person is living - or, at the very least, from where they're posting country-wise. For some reason, it never really occurred to me that, say, someone in the UK, would have an address from Italy - or something like that. As far as Oprah goes - anyone who doesn't think she does the shows she wants or prints what she wants either doesn't know much about her, what she owns and/or how powerful she is, or is being naive. She does own her own tv station, among other things. People can start talking about all the conspiracy theories they want, but sometimes, things are just what they seem. This is the case with Oprah - she appears to be very rich and powerful, and she is. While I don't watch her show anymore, I did happen to be watching one of her shows, when she explained how she basically got to have whatever guests she wanted, and was able to pursue whatever topic or area she wanted. If you, or anyone else wants to think otherwise - go ahead. It's no skin off my nose. And it really doesn't matter to me - the only thing I think about that whole subject, is it's better to know who and what you're dealing with than not in that regard.........but, like I said, it's doesn't really matter to me what people think about her one way or the other. It's true that the mass media in general is owned by a couple of families. But, it's also true that there are a couple of individuals outside those families who own tv stations, magazines - a number of things. Oprah is one. Off the top of my head, Ted Turner is another. They say what those stations do, what they cover, and what they broadcast. As far as her doing research on all the things she discusses on her show - I think I gave several examples where that didn't happen. And, even if she does know (which I have no doubt she does) that an actual physical man - not a " man " who was a woman, and who clearly has some of her female parts left - can't be pregnant, she has for some strange reason, not addressed that. Nor, did she address it during the interview. If you doubt me on that, I happen to have a transcript of the interview, and would be happy to send it to you off-group. But, trust me, there won't be anything different than what I just said. And, I think, as a media personality, as a journalist, she has the responsibility to make that clear. Because, before you know it, there will be things circulating that will say a man, a real physical man, can get pregnant and have a child. That's just not true. As far as Tolle goes - have you read his book? I haven't - all I know about it is what I've either heard or read from people who are pro and who are against what he's talking about. Perhaps everyone ought to run out and buy his book. It must really be something. Then, according to you, people won't need any methods, natural or otherwise, to help with health issues. Nor, will there be any need to share information in that regard with others. It should certainly lighten the load on the internet. And, hey - I can think of a lot of groups that will become unnecessary if one only follows Tolle's lead..... I was curious as to why you thought Oprah was " our best hope. " Thank you for sharing your thoughts on the issue. I'm a little surprised, though, if you think so highly of Oprah and what she's pushing, that you aren't following her lead.......If I felt as strongly about someone and the belief system they tout as you seem to, I would follow them and it.... I'm, glad that you've found a belief system that fits. I also have a bit of difficulty when someone calls a couple of thousand year old belief system " New Age. " It would sort of be like calling Buddhism new age..... Thanks for the link to your site - it has many interesting things. Just want to tell you though, I think you have a typo: In 1958, the John Birch society was founded - I think that's what you meant, but you typed John Birth. Someone who doesn't know about the John Birch Society may be confused and not know what you're referring to. If it's not John Birch, I'm stumped, because I couldn't find anything on that other person that had anything to do with something in 1958.... Oh, and as far as Operation Mockingbird goes - you're talking about something that began in 1948, and was " exposed " in the 70's........perhaps you don't listen to American radio or television much. Because if you did, you would see, that on the whole, they are very liberal and anti government - or, at the very least, anti Republican. Many, if not most of the stories that emanate from the general media have a certain spin on them. And, often things are left out. So, if one really wants to get to the Truth of an issue, one has to look at a number of different sources. Often, the Truth lies somewhere between what conservative and liberal press write........ Lynn Hello Lynn, Firstly, the e-mail thing. The wonders of Internet mean that you can be anywhere, and use any e-mail system. My e-mail address has been .uk for years now. I have used it from many countries . Secondly, I trust that you are aware that the mass media is owned by a few small families. They have set agendas, and determine what will be printed or shown, and what will not be printed or shown. If something opposes their agenda, there is no way does it get publicity. This all started waaaay back, with Operation Mockingbird, whereby CIA operatives infiltrated almost every news and media office, to ensure compliance with the agenda. So until Oprah owns her own TV station, she is not free to do what she likes. She has to conform to the agenda. As far as her being a hope is concerned, then she does appear to at least have done some research into the way things really are. I have been doing that for many years now, and have rejected many of my old ideas, and millions of new ones. I have settled on a belief system that is based fundamentally on ancient Yogi lore, which has stood the test of time for over 2000 years. Some might refer to it as new Age clap trap, as in fact I would have only twenty years ago, before conducting my research. As far as Eckhart Tolle is concerned, I believe that if everyone was as enlightened as him, then we would not require this forum!!!There would be none of the Health fubars that we have now. So by giving publicity to alternative ways of thinking, especially when those also on the path realise that the thinking is soundly based, she is doing far more good than those other journalsts who are either unaware of the truth (quite likely), or are unable to publicise it because of the agenda. The aim of most enlightened people is to enable others to be enlightened too, and that is what our present incarnation is all about....... to evolve spiritually, though some as yet are unaware of this. I am happy to answer any questions, in my desire to help wherever possible. I'll just plug my website again, because I believe it might help some. Sorry about the ads, but the site is free. dgwa1.fortunecity.com Best regards David --- In , Lynn Ward <lynnward wrote: > > At 10:26 PM 4/9/2008, you wrote: > > Hi David, > > Got a couple of questions for you, if don't mind........am curious, > you said you live in China but your email says it comes from the > UK.....is it the way email works over there? I've gotten some posts > from a couple of people who live in China, and they had different > headings on them, although I don't exactly remember what they were > right now. I know I would have noticed the UK part, as I have family > that lives in the UK. ...Just curious.......... > > One other thing - I'm curious about - why do you think Oprah is our best hope? > > And, just one comment - Oprah is pretty much free to do whatever she > wants. While she doesn't actually own the Oprah Winfrey show, she's > got an incredible amount of pull - and pretty much does what she > wants...........She owns all kinds of other things, including the > magazine she publishes, is head of a huge media company, owns her own > network, and is considered to be the most powerful woman in > entertainment. Currently, she's worth about $1.4 billion. What Oprah > wants, she gets. When Oprah talks, people listen..... > > Lynn > > > >I am in China, and don't watch TV anyway, yet I still hear some things > >about Oprah > > > >The last I heard was that she had Eckhart Tolle as a guest. Now I > >would be very surprised if anyone had any mud to sling at Eckhart > >Tolle. His over-all message of " The Power of Here and Now " is > >extremely difficult to argue with. > > > >Now, we know that Oprah is an astute woman, and that she is never > >going to invite a guest with whom she doesn't have similar vibrations. > >So we can assume that she is on her way to vibrating in a similar way > >to Eckhart Tolle. We can also assume that she isn't as free to do what > >she might really like to do, because she has to answer to her controllers. > > > >We all express our truth in different ways, and we all interpret other > >truths in different ways. Take any truth about God, for example. > >Before we can make an assessment regarding true or false, we have to > >understand our own truth about God. We all have a different understanding > > > >The word God has been used in so many different contexts, that no two > >people have the same idea. I therefore think her idea is to try to > >eliminate the word god, in order to eliminate the misunderstanding. > > > >I believe that I not able to readily contact anything more subtle than > >what I call my highest self. This is as big as my mind is capable of > >going. I know that there is the rest of infinity out there, but I have > >accepted that it is beyond my grasp. > > > >This gives me the great benefit of being able to cease the > >never-ending search for a while, and to take a rest, and to look > >around, and smell the flowers, and begin to appreciate what Eckart > >Tolle is telling us all. His ideas of God are well worth a listen, or > >read and for sure Oprah has listened to it, if not read it. Echart's > >books are available as audio books, read by himself.). > > > >Please be careful when you use terms like New Age claptrap. > > > >This is also another very misunderstood term. We all have our own idea > >of what New Age means. > > > >But about some of it there is little doubt. The foundatios of the > >so-called new-age movement are the writings from or ancient sages of > >several thousand years ago, and they, more than anything else we may > >discuss, have stood the test of time. > > > >I was lucky to be introduced gently to the ancient Hindu > >understanding, as enhanced by the ideas of the Yogis, through a series > >of books by Yogi Ramacharaka.I have some of them on my website as > >follows. (If anyone would like an e-mailed copy then please let me > >know. I haven't yet worked out how to include a download facility (or > >search) in my website). > > > >The books were written in the early 1900s, and are now free of > >copyright, and available as free downloads from Gutenberg press and > >other places. > > > >The following works by Yogi Ramacharaka are available on this site > > > >We would recommend reading them, in the following order: > > > >The Hindu-Yogi Science of Breath -A Complete Manual of The Oriental > >Breathing Philosphy of Physical, > >Mental, Psychic and Spiritual Development. > > > >Fourteen lessons in Yogi Philosophy and Oriental Occultism > > > >Hatha Yoga -The Yogi Philosophy of Physical Well-Being > > > >A Series of Lessons in Raja Yoga - The Yoga of the Mind - Psychic Healing > > > >The Kybalion - A Study of the Hermetic Philosophy of Ancient Greece > >and Egypt > > > >A Series of Lessons in Gnani Yoga (The Yoga of Wisdom.) > > > >Advanced Course in Yogi Philosophy and Oriental Occultism > > > >< http://dgwa1.fortunecity.com/mind/breath.html > http://dgwa1.fortunecity.com/mind/breath.html > > > >Having got the advert out of the way, I would like to summarise by > >saying that I agree that Oprah is a very powerful woman, and I > >believe that she is the best hope that we have got. > > > >Incredibly few of the main media presenters are awake yet, but they > >are telling us what to do. Who in their right mind is going to listen > >to the ramblings of someone who is asleep? > > > >Love and light > > > >David > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2008 Report Share Posted April 12, 2008 Hello Lynn, so many things, I don't know where to start. First, thanks for looking at the site, and sorry about a mis-type. Actually I didn't type that - that part was taken from an old version of trufax.org. I'll correct it on the next update. Emails can be sent from anywhere without indicating where they come from. I might type a draft in Thailand, travel on a plane to China, get a train to Uzbekistan, and then send the e-mail from .co.uk, because that's where my e-mail account is held. It will look the same if sent from any of these countries. It appears that we have very different ideas about who controls what, especially as far as mass media is concerned. Ted Turner is a prime example of one of the owners with an agenda. You will not see any truth about health, or much else related to the control of people on his channel. I can also assure you that if Oprah stepped on the toes of the planetary controllers, you would never hear of her again - how do you think Princess Dai and JFK met there ends, yet some may think that they could do what they wanted. As far as the truth falling between liberal and conservative press is concerned, then I would say that both of these are so far away from the truth, and both on the same agenda, that the truth never gets a look in. As far as health is concerned, why don't we read about chakras, every day. Whatever happened to the ancient spiritual healing? Why is reincarnation not talked about? Why does everyone think that yoga is a body thing, instead of a mind and spirit thing? Why are we still filling our kids full of useless and dangerous vaccines?Why is the truth about radiation from mobile phones stifled? I have one of Eckhart Tolle's books as an audio book. I can upload it somewhere for you to listen to if you like, but its too big to email. I think what we are talking about here are people who have found their truth, and I believe that when this occurs, people end up on the same wavelength, and have an immediate deeper understanding of each other. As far as following Oprah's lead is concerned, then I have to say that I don't follow anyone - I prefer to do my own research and follow my own intuition. The reason that I say that Oprah is our only hope, is that she is one of the very few people to whom the masses listen. There are many enlightened people like Eckart Tolle, but they do not command the same audience. So we agree that Oprah is capable of affecting the way many people think. One of the huge problems with the world today is that most people cannot think for themselves, and so they follow others. Almost ALL of the others are preaching the same old story, which fundamentally is designed to occupy our minds with trivia, so that we never question how our freedoms are being eroded. And the governments are given the authority to do this by millions of voters who are half asleep. If someone like Oprah starts to give some real alternatives, then there is a chance that some people might wake up! The importance of this is that if they don't wake up VERY soon, then the planet will be destroyed. There are presently too few people awake to counter-balance the sleeping billions. Soon, as more people awaken, there will be a critical mass and the whole balance of mass thinking will change. Let's hope it's very soon, for our children's and grand children's sakes. The agenda of the planetary controllers is not in the interests of us common folk. I could go on for hours, but all the information necessary for waking up, by firstly clearing out widely held misconceptions, and secondly by introducing ourselves to our spirit, is available on the web site. Anyone really interested, and would like some help, then please email me. Best regards David , Lynn Ward <lynnward wrote: > > At 11:17 PM 4/10/2008, you wrote: > > David, > > Was just curious about the email thing. I know one can live anywhere, > for example and have a address. But often, when one lives > outside the U.S. the email indicates where that person is living - > or, at the very least, from where they're posting country-wise. For > some reason, it never really occurred to me that, say, someone in the > UK, would have an address from Italy - or something like that. > > As far as Oprah goes - anyone who doesn't think she does the shows > she wants or prints what she wants either doesn't know much about > her, what she owns and/or how powerful she is, or is being naive. She > does own her own tv station, among other things. People can start > talking about all the conspiracy theories they want, but sometimes, > things are just what they seem. This is the case with Oprah - she > appears to be very rich and powerful, and she is. While I don't watch > her show anymore, I did happen to be watching one of her shows, when > she explained how she basically got to have whatever guests she > wanted, and was able to pursue whatever topic or area she wanted. If > you, or anyone else wants to think otherwise - go ahead. It's no skin > off my nose. And it really doesn't matter to me - the only thing I > think about that whole subject, is it's better to know who and what > you're dealing with than not in that regard.........but, like I said, > it's doesn't really matter to me what people think about her one way > or the other. > > It's true that the mass media in general is owned by a couple of > families. But, it's also true that there are a couple of individuals > outside those families who own tv stations, magazines - a number of > things. Oprah is one. Off the top of my head, Ted Turner is another. > They say what those stations do, what they cover, and what they broadcast. > > As far as her doing research on all the things she discusses on her > show - I think I gave several examples where that didn't happen. And, > even if she does know (which I have no doubt she does) that an actual > physical man - not a " man " who was a woman, and who clearly has some > of her female parts left - can't be pregnant, she has for some > strange reason, not addressed that. Nor, did she address it during > the interview. If you doubt me on that, I happen to have a transcript > of the interview, and would be happy to send it to you off-group. > But, trust me, there won't be anything different than what I just > said. And, I think, as a media personality, as a journalist, she has > the responsibility to make that clear. Because, before you know it, > there will be things circulating that will say a man, a real physical > man, can get pregnant and have a child. That's just not true. > > As far as Tolle goes - have you read his book? I haven't - all I know > about it is what I've either heard or read from people who are pro > and who are against what he's talking about. Perhaps everyone ought > to run out and buy his book. It must really be something. Then, > according to you, people won't need any methods, natural or > otherwise, to help with health issues. Nor, will there be any need > to share information in that regard with others. It should certainly > lighten the load on the internet. And, hey - I can think of a lot of > groups that will become unnecessary if one only follows Tolle's lead..... > > I was curious as to why you thought Oprah was " our best hope. " Thank > you for sharing your thoughts on the issue. I'm a little surprised, > though, if you think so highly of Oprah and what she's pushing, that > you aren't following her lead.......If I felt as strongly about > someone and the belief system they tout as you seem to, I would > follow them and it.... > > I'm, glad that you've found a belief system that fits. I also have a > bit of difficulty when someone calls a couple of thousand year old > belief system " New Age. " It would sort of be like calling Buddhism new age..... > > Thanks for the link to your site - it has many interesting things. > Just want to tell you though, I think you have a typo: In 1958, the > John Birch society was founded - I think that's what you meant, but > you typed John Birth. Someone who doesn't know about the John Birch > Society may be confused and not know what you're referring to. If > it's not John Birch, I'm stumped, because I couldn't find anything on > that other person that had anything to do with something in 1958.... > > Oh, and as far as Operation Mockingbird goes - you're talking about > something that began in 1948, and was " exposed " in the > 70's........perhaps you don't listen to American radio or television > much. Because if you did, you would see, that on the whole, they are > very liberal and anti government - or, at the very least, anti > Republican. Many, if not most of the stories that emanate from the > general media have a certain spin on them. And, often things are left > out. So, if one really wants to get to the Truth of an issue, one has > to look at a number of different sources. Often, the Truth lies > somewhere between what conservative and liberal press write........ > > Lynn > > > dgwa1.fortunecity.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 12, 2008 Report Share Posted April 12, 2008 At 11:15 AM 4/12/2008, you wrote: Hi David, Thanks for your response...... I knew about the and all that - in a sense, it would be like if I went to Canada, or someplace in Europe and still used my earthlink address. Dh thought you might have been in some way affiliated with the British embassy or a British company. Somehow, I guess it just never occurred to me that someone in China would use an address outside of there if they lived there permanently. Kind of like when I lived in Germany - at some point, everything I had (addresses and so forth) were related to me living there. We weren't affiliated with the Americans there...Of course, they didn't have the Internet then, either.....*smile* True what you say about Ted Turner.....although I didn't think about it when I wrote to you. The only thing we watch (I think) is the channel he has which shows old movies. About the media - I think they may all have same the same agenda - power - but that they are coming from different places. Perhaps I should have included alternative media and bloggers, but thought it was implied - Point is, I try to find out what's going on by a variety of sources. Perhaps some are from the same master, I don't know. Doesn't really matter to me - I'm more interested in finding out what's really going on..... The concepts regarding yoga have been known for a long time, but I think part of the reason that you don't see more things about things like that are headlines....most people would find a headline that says, " Obama tripped over his tongue " more tantalizing than say, a headline that read " You can achieve Peace through Chakras. " The latter headlines would sell a select group, but as you know, most are blissfully unaware....and, IMO, most people are lemmings....they'll follow someone right off a cliff, without thinking twice. Appreciate the offer on Tolle's book. But, I belong to another group which I'm pretty sure has downloaded it. If not, I'd like to contact you privately to get it. Although ,there's really not any need, if you want to respond to anything or discuss anything, you'll have to contact me privately. Although I've belonged to this group for a long time (years), and another like it (many of the same people in both), I've come to a decision and plan to go " nomail " as soon as I send this. I can scan what is sent to see if there is anything of interest to me. At this juncture, there is little the group discusses I can not find on my own. And, I'm weary of some of the discussions and posts, and the fact that it doesn't seem to matter whether information is factual or not. I can not understand why it's necessary to hinge one's beliefs on faulty information. If the evidence isn't enough, then just say " I believe it regardless. " I have a number of things which I believe which I accept on a gut level, even though there isn't a lot of proof to substantiate my beliefs. Hope you are well, and you enjoy the group. Some interesting stuff comes through here, Lynn Hello Lynn, so many things, I don't know where to start. First, thanks for looking at the site, and sorry about a mis-type. Actually I didn't type that - that part was taken from an old version of trufax.org. I'll correct it on the next update. Emails can be sent from anywhere without indicating where they come from. I might type a draft in Thailand, travel on a plane to China, get a train to Uzbekistan, and then send the e-mail from .co.uk, because that's where my e-mail account is held. It will look the same if sent from any of these countries. It appears that we have very different ideas about who controls what, especially as far as mass media is concerned. Ted Turner is a prime example of one of the owners with an agenda. You will not see any truth about health, or much else related to the control of people on his channel. I can also assure you that if Oprah stepped on the toes of the planetary controllers, you would never hear of her again - how do you think Princess Dai and JFK met there ends, yet some may think that they could do what they wanted. As far as the truth falling between liberal and conservative press is concerned, then I would say that both of these are so far away from the truth, and both on the same agenda, that the truth never gets a look in. As far as health is concerned, why don't we read about chakras, every day. Whatever happened to the ancient spiritual healing? Why is reincarnation not talked about? Why does everyone think that yoga is a body thing, instead of a mind and spirit thing? Why are we still filling our kids full of useless and dangerous vaccines?Why is the truth about radiation from mobile phones stifled? I have one of Eckhart Tolle's books as an audio book. I can upload it somewhere for you to listen to if you like, but its too big to email. I think what we are talking about here are people who have found their truth, and I believe that when this occurs, people end up on the same wavelength, and have an immediate deeper understanding of each other. As far as following Oprah's lead is concerned, then I have to say that I don't follow anyone - I prefer to do my own research and follow my own intuition. The reason that I say that Oprah is our only hope, is that she is one of the very few people to whom the masses listen. There are many enlightened people like Eckart Tolle, but they do not command the same audience. So we agree that Oprah is capable of affecting the way many people think. One of the huge problems with the world today is that most people cannot think for themselves, and so they follow others. Almost ALL of the others are preaching the same old story, which fundamentally is designed to occupy our minds with trivia, so that we never question how our freedoms are being eroded. And the governments are given the authority to do this by millions of voters who are half asleep. If someone like Oprah starts to give some real alternatives, then there is a chance that some people might wake up! The importance of this is that if they don't wake up VERY soon, then the planet will be destroyed. There are presently too few people awake to counter-balance the sleeping billions. Soon, as more people awaken, there will be a critical mass and the whole balance of mass thinking will change. Let's hope it's very soon, for our children's and grand children's sakes. The agenda of the planetary controllers is not in the interests of us common folk. I could go on for hours, but all the information necessary for waking up, by firstly clearing out widely held misconceptions, and secondly by introducing ourselves to our spirit, is available on the web site. Anyone really interested, and would like some help, then please email me. Best regards David --- In , Lynn Ward <lynnward wrote: > > At 11:17 PM 4/10/2008, you wrote: > > David, > > Was just curious about the email thing. I know one can live anywhere, > for example and have a address. But often, when one lives > outside the U.S. the email indicates where that person is living - > or, at the very least, from where they're posting country-wise. For > some reason, it never really occurred to me that, say, someone in the > UK, would have an address from Italy - or something like that. > > As far as Oprah goes - anyone who doesn't think she does the shows > she wants or prints what she wants either doesn't know much about > her, what she owns and/or how powerful she is, or is being naive. She > does own her own tv station, among other things. People can start > talking about all the conspiracy theories they want, but sometimes, > things are just what they seem. This is the case with Oprah - she > appears to be very rich and powerful, and she is. While I don't watch > her show anymore, I did happen to be watching one of her shows, when > she explained how she basically got to have whatever guests she > wanted, and was able to pursue whatever topic or area she wanted. If > you, or anyone else wants to think otherwise - go ahead. It's no skin > off my nose. And it really doesn't matter to me - the only thing I > think about that whole subject, is it's better to know who and what > you're dealing with than not in that regard.........but, like I said, > it's doesn't really matter to me what people think about her one way > or the other. > > It's true that the mass media in general is owned by a couple of > families. But, it's also true that there are a couple of individuals > outside those families who own tv stations, magazines - a number of > things. Oprah is one. Off the top of my head, Ted Turner is another. > They say what those stations do, what they cover, and what they broadcast. > > As far as her doing research on all the things she discusses on her > show - I think I gave several examples where that didn't happen. And, > even if she does know (which I have no doubt she does) that an actual > physical man - not a " man " who was a woman, and who clearly has some > of her female parts left - can't be pregnant, she has for some > strange reason, not addressed that. Nor, did she address it during > the interview. If you doubt me on that, I happen to have a transcript > of the interview, and would be happy to send it to you off-group. > But, trust me, there won't be anything different than what I just > said. And, I think, as a media personality, as a journalist, she has > the responsibility to make that clear. Because, before you know it, > there will be things circulating that will say a man, a real physical > man, can get pregnant and have a child. That's just not true. > > As far as Tolle goes - have you read his book? I haven't - all I know > about it is what I've either heard or read from people who are pro > and who are against what he's talking about. Perhaps everyone ought > to run out and buy his book. It must really be something. Then, > according to you, people won't need any methods, natural or > otherwise, to help with health issues. Nor, will there be any need > to share information in that regard with others. It should certainly > lighten the load on the internet. And, hey - I can think of a lot of > groups that will become unnecessary if one only follows Tolle's lead..... > > I was curious as to why you thought Oprah was " our best hope. " Thank > you for sharing your thoughts on the issue. I'm a little surprised, > though, if you think so highly of Oprah and what she's pushing, that > you aren't following her lead.......If I felt as strongly about > someone and the belief system they tout as you seem to, I would > follow them and it.... > > I'm, glad that you've found a belief system that fits. I also have a > bit of difficulty when someone calls a couple of thousand year old > belief system " New Age. " It would sort of be like calling Buddhism new age..... > > Thanks for the link to your site - it has many interesting things. > Just want to tell you though, I think you have a typo: In 1958, the > John Birch society was founded - I think that's what you meant, but > you typed John Birth. Someone who doesn't know about the John Birch > Society may be confused and not know what you're referring to. If > it's not John Birch, I'm stumped, because I couldn't find anything on > that other person that had anything to do with something in 1958.... > > Oh, and as far as Operation Mockingbird goes - you're talking about > something that began in 1948, and was " exposed " in the > 70's........perhaps you don't listen to American radio or television > much. Because if you did, you would see, that on the whole, they are > very liberal and anti government - or, at the very least, anti > Republican. Many, if not most of the stories that emanate from the > general media have a certain spin on them. And, often things are left > out. So, if one really wants to get to the Truth of an issue, one has > to look at a number of different sources. Often, the Truth lies > somewhere between what conservative and liberal press write........ > > Lynn > > > dgwa1.fortunecity.com > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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