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Death by Protein

A Notmilk reader was concerned that soy products

might contain too much protein. The World Health

Organization recommends that the average adult

consume 28-35 grams of protein each day. The average

American delivers well over 100 grams of protein to

his or her body each day, and that might be the reason

for our high rates of cancer, heart disease, osteoporosis,

asthma, and diabetes.

As for soy...a 100-gram portion (3.5 ounces) of Mori-Nu

silken soft tofu contains 4 grams of protein. A 100-gram

portion of firm tofu contains 7 grams of protein. The

same amount of cheddar cheese contains 25 grams of protein.

Soy products are a good source of protein for vegans.

They contain a full range of amino acids incluing the

9 essential aminos which are often difficult to get

in a soyless/beanless vegan diet.

As for protein deficiency, visit any U.S. hospital and ask:

" How many patients occupy beds here because they

do not eat enough protein "

The answer you will get is, " Zero. "

Hospitals are filled with Americans who have eaten too

much dietary animal protein. It is nearly impossible

to live in America and not satisfy your protein needs.

In 1988, Dr. C. Everett Koop, the Surgeon General of

the United States issued his Report on Nutrition and

Health, which concluded:

" The average man in the US eats 175% more protein

than the recommended daily allowance and the

average woman eats 144% more. "

The Surgeon General had to had to have been aware of

these five additional scientific facts:

(1)

" Osteoporosis is caused by a number of things, one of

the most important being too much dietary protein. "

Science 1986;233(4763)

(2)

" Countries with the highest rates of osteoporosis,

such as the United States, England, and Sweden,

consume the most milk. China and Japan, where

people eat much less protein and dairy food, have

low rates of osteoporosis. "

Nutrition Action Healthletter, June, 1993

(3)

" Dietary protein increases production of acid in

the blood which can be neutralized by calcium

mobilized from the skeleton. "

American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, 1995; 61

(4)

" Even when eating 1,400 mg of calcium daily, one

can lose up to 4% of his or her bone mass each year

while consuming a high-protein diet. "

American Journal of Clinical Nutrition 1979;32

(5)

" Increasing one's protein intake by 100%

may cause calcium loss to double. "

Journal of Nutrition, 1981; 111

One year after the Surgeon General's comments, the

European Journal of Epidemiology (1999 Jul, 15:6,

507-15) reported:

" Animal food-groups were directly correlated to

mortality from coronary heart disease, defined as

sudden coronary death or fatal myocardial

infarction and vegetable food-groups (except

potatoes) as well as fish and alcohol were

inversely correlated with CHD mortality.

Univariate analysis showed significant positive

correlation coefficients for butter (R = 0.887),

meat (R = 0.645), pastries (R = 0.752), and milk

(R = 0.600) consumption, and significant

negative correlation coefficients for legumes

(R = -0.822), oils (R = -0.571), and alcohol

(R = -0.609) consumption. Combined vegetable

foods (excluding alcohol) were inversely

correlated (R = -0.519), whereas combined

animal foods (excluding fish) were directly

correlated (R = 0.798) with coronary heart

disease death rates. "

Robert Cohen

http://www.notmilk.com

 

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Recently sent in some stuff on how those types of soy

products, milk, tofu, etc, aren't really very good for you. the only type

of soy that is, is the fermented type, as is in Miso, and things of that

nature. In trying to be healthy, you could be doing yourself other

damage. It's not the protein that is the problem.

Lynn

 

 

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cohensmilk1

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Apr 6, 2008 5:22 PM

NOTMILK - Death by Protein

To:

notmilk

 

Death by Protein

A Notmilk reader was concerned that soy products

might contain too much protein. The World Health

Organization recommends that the average adult

consume 28-35 grams of protein each day. The average

American delivers well over 100 grams of protein to

his or her body each day, and that might be the reason

for our high rates of cancer, heart disease, osteoporosis,

asthma, and diabetes.

As for soy...a 100-gram portion (3.5 ounces) of Mori-Nu

silken soft tofu contains 4 grams of protein. A 100-gram

portion of firm tofu contains 7 grams of protein. The

same amount of cheddar cheese contains 25 grams of protein.

Soy products are a good source of protein for vegans.

They contain a full range of amino acids incluing the

9 essential aminos which are often difficult to get

in a soyless/beanless vegan diet.

As for protein deficiency, visit any U.S. hospital and ask:

" How many patients occupy beds here because they

do not eat enough protein "

The answer you will get is, " Zero. "

Hospitals are filled with Americans who have eaten too

much dietary animal protein. It is nearly impossible

to live in America and not satisfy your protein needs.

In 1988, Dr. C. Everett Koop, the Surgeon General of

the United States issued his Report on Nutrition and

Health, which concluded:

" The average man in the US eats 175% more protein

than the recommended daily allowance and the

average woman eats 144% more. "

The Surgeon General had to had to have been aware of

these five additional scientific facts:

(1)

" Osteoporosis is caused by a number of things, one of

the most important being too much dietary protein. "

Science 1986;233(4763)

(2)

" Countries with the highest rates of osteoporosis,

such as the United States, England, and Sweden,

consume the most milk. China and Japan, where

people eat much less protein and dairy food, have

low rates of osteoporosis. "

Nutrition Action Healthletter, June, 1993

(3)

" Dietary protein increases production of acid in

the blood which can be neutralized by calcium

mobilized from the skeleton. "

American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, 1995; 61

(4)

" Even when eating 1,400 mg of calcium daily, one

can lose up to 4% of his or her bone mass each year

while consuming a high-protein diet. "

American Journal of Clinical Nutrition 1979;32

(5)

" Increasing one's protein intake by 100%

may cause calcium loss to double. "

Journal of Nutrition, 1981; 111

One year after the Surgeon General's comments, the

European Journal of Epidemiology (1999 Jul, 15:6,

507-15) reported:

" Animal food-groups were directly correlated to

mortality from coronary heart disease, defined as

sudden coronary death or fatal myocardial

infarction and vegetable food-groups (except

potatoes) as well as fish and alcohol were

inversely correlated with CHD mortality.

Univariate analysis showed significant positive

correlation coefficients for butter (R = 0.887),

meat (R = 0.645), pastries (R = 0.752), and milk

(R = 0.600) consumption, and significant

negative correlation coefficients for legumes

(R = -0.822), oils (R = -0.571), and alcohol

(R = -0.609) consumption. Combined vegetable

foods (excluding alcohol) were inversely

correlated (R = -0.519), whereas combined

animal foods (excluding fish) were directly

correlated (R = 0.798) with coronary heart

disease death rates. "

Robert Cohen

http://www.notmilk.com

 

--

Dear Friends,

Sending this mail keeping you in mind. If you do not want to receive such

mails let me know.

Please consider the environment before printing this message.

Sincerely,

Dr. Vispi Jokhi

MS (Orthopedics)

660/6 S. Palamkote Road, Parsi Colony,

Dadar, Mumbai-400014.

91 22 32440710

9323351529

e mail: vhjokhi

 

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Yeah, I need to find something GOOD to put in my cereal (not that I eat it much though).

 

Kenneth T

 

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Lynn Ward

Wednesday, April 09, 2008 21:18

Re: Re: [prakruti] Fwd: NOTMILK - Death by Protein

Recently sent in some stuff on how those types of soy products, milk, tofu, etc, aren't really very good for you. the only type of soy that is, is the fermented type, as is in Miso, and things of that nature. In trying to be healthy, you could be doing yourself other damage. It's not the protein that is the problem.Lynn

 

---------- Forwarded message ----------cohensmilk1 <cohensmilk1 >Apr 6, 2008 5:22 PMNOTMILK - Death by Proteinnotmilk Death by Protein A Notmilk reader was concerned that soy products might contain too much protein. The World Health Organization recommends that the average adult consume 28-35 grams of protein each day. The average American delivers well over 100 grams of protein to his or her body each day, and that might be the reason for our high rates of cancer, heart disease, osteoporosis, asthma, and diabetes. As for soy...a 100-gram portion (3.5 ounces) of Mori-Nu silken soft tofu contains 4 grams of protein. A 100-gram portion of firm tofu contains 7 grams of protein. The same amount of cheddar cheese contains 25 grams of protein. Soy products are a good source of protein for vegans. They contain a full range of amino acids incluing the 9 essential aminos which are often difficult to get in a soyless/beanless vegan diet. As for protein deficiency, visit any U.S. hospital and ask: "How many patients occupy beds here because they do not eat enough protein" The answer you will get is, "Zero." Hospitals are filled with Americans who have eaten too much dietary animal protein. It is nearly impossible to live in America and not satisfy your protein needs. In 1988, Dr. C. Everett Koop, the Surgeon General of the United States issued his Report on Nutrition and Health, which concluded: "The average man in the US eats 175% more protein than the recommended daily allowance and the average woman eats 144% more." The Surgeon General had to had to have been aware of these five additional scientific facts: (1) "Osteoporosis is caused by a number of things, one of the most important being too much dietary protein." Science 1986;233(4763) (2) "Countries with the highest rates of osteoporosis, such as the United States, England, and Sweden, consume the most milk. China and Japan, where people eat much less protein and dairy food, have low rates of osteoporosis." Nutrition Action Healthletter, June, 1993 (3) "Dietary protein increases production of acid in the blood which can be neutralized by calcium mobilized from the skeleton." American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, 1995; 61 (4) "Even when eating 1,400 mg of calcium daily, one can lose up to 4% of his or her bone mass each year while consuming a high-protein diet." American Journal of Clinical Nutrition 1979;32 (5) "Increasing one's protein intake by 100% may cause calcium loss to double." Journal of Nutrition, 1981; 111 One year after the Surgeon General's comments, theEuropean Journal of Epidemiology (1999 Jul, 15:6, 507-15) reported: "Animal food-groups were directly correlated to mortality from coronary heart disease, defined as sudden coronary death or fatal myocardial infarction and vegetable food-groups (except potatoes) as well as fish and alcohol were inversely correlated with CHD mortality. Univariate analysis showed significant positive correlation coefficients for butter (R = 0.887), meat (R = 0.645), pastries (R = 0.752), and milk (R = 0.600) consumption, and significant negative correlation coefficients for legumes (R = -0.822), oils (R = -0.571), and alcohol (R = -0.609) consumption. Combined vegetable foods (excluding alcohol) were inversely correlated (R = -0.519), whereas combined animal foods (excluding fish) were directly correlated (R = 0.798) with coronary heart disease death rates." Robert Cohen http://www.notmilk.com -- Dear Friends,Sending this mail keeping you in mind. If you do not want to receive such mails let me know.Please consider the environment before printing this message. Sincerely,Dr. Vispi JokhiMS (Orthopedics)660/6 S. Palamkote Road, Parsi Colony,Dadar, Mumbai-400014.91 22 324407109323351529e mail: vhjokhi ---Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system ( http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.859 / Virus Database: 585 - Release 2/14/05******Kraig and Shirley Carroll ... in the woods of SE Kentuckyhttp://www.thehavens.com/thehavens606-376-3363---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system ( http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.859 / Virus Database: 585 - Release 2/14/05

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IF we ever eat cereal, it tastes just fine with ice cold filtered water... Really!

Coconut milk is great too.

 

Sincerely Barb M.

 

 

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Kenneth

4/9/2008 9:44:57 PM

 

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At 09:44 PM 4/9/2008, you wrote:

You got me there - I know it may not be good for you, but milk is the

only thing that taste good to me when I do eat cereal, or oatmeal, or

things like that. Let me know if you find something that is not only good

for you, but tastes good........

Lynn

Yeah, I need to find something

GOOD to put in my cereal (not that I eat it much though).

 

Kenneth T

 

 

 

 

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At 10:45 PM 4/9/2008, you wrote:

Dunno about the water - although I drink a lot. Would probably forgo the

cereal, which I rarely eat anyway....But, the coconut milk sounds

interesting....Have you ever used it in something you want to cook? May

sound like a dumb question, but does it change at all when it's heated?

Just occurred to me, it might taste really nice as the liquid part of hot

chocolate?

Lynn

IF we ever eat cereal, it tastes

just fine with ice cold filtered water... Really!

Coconut milk is great too.

 

Sincerely Barb M.

 

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Kenneth

4/9/2008 9:44:57 PM

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NOTMILK - Death by Protein

 

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YES ! There ya go HOT CHOCOLATE!!!! ... I don't know if this is the best way to go about it but I use the canned coconut milk, one can makes about half a gallon the way we use it or maybe less if you prefer richer milk.

 

I was surprised how much better the cereal tasted with ice cold water.

 

I have seen recipes for coconut milk icecream. Try out a recipe search online!

 

Enjoy.

 

 

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Lynn Ward

4/9/2008 11:07:36 PM

 

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Can you buy it by the gallon or even half gallon?

Where would you buy it? HFS?

 

Kenneth T

 

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Lynn Ward

Wednesday, April 09, 2008 23:07

Re: Re: [prakruti] Fwd: NOTMILK - Death by Protein

At 10:45 PM 4/9/2008, you wrote:Dunno about the water - although I drink a lot. Would probably forgo the cereal, which I rarely eat anyway....But, the coconut milk sounds interesting....Have you ever used it in something you want to cook? May sound like a dumb question, but does it change at all when it's heated? Just occurred to me, it might taste really nice as the liquid part of hot chocolate?Lynn

IF we ever eat cereal, it tastes just fine with ice cold filtered water... Really!Coconut milk is great too. Sincerely Barb M. ---- Kenneth4/9/2008 9:44:57 PM Subject: Re: Re: [prakruti] Fwd: NOTMILK - Death by Protein

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Lynn

 

I am a 'convert' to coconut milk/cream and 90% of the fat I use in cooking/baking is coconut fat.

 

I awoke today to discover that I had run out of my own home made gluten free bread...... and as I cannot eat standard breakfast cereals or make toast from 'regular' shop bought breads..... I thought long and hard about what I would eat for sustenence............ ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh PANKAKES.... made from g/f flour and coconut milk......

 

you gotta try em....... mouth wateringly delicious

 

Breakfast at 7am tomorrow will include more pancakes as I still have a tad of the mix left in the refrigerator!

 

I use it in any recipe that calls for milk...... try it in scrambled eggs too --- YUP tiz delich......

 

 

 

Have you ever used it in something you want to cook

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I use Almond Milk....it is delicious, a much better consistancy than soy or rice milk (IMO) and healthier than soy (also IMO)......oat milk may also be a good choice but I haven't bothered to try it since I like the Almond Milk so well.

 

Tricia

 

 

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Kenneth

Wednesday, April 09, 2008 9:44 PM ~ PP

Re: Re: [prakruti] Fwd: NOTMILK - Death by Protein

 

Yeah, I need to find something GOOD to put in my cereal (not that I eat it much though).

 

Kenneth T

 

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Lynn Ward

Wednesday, April 09, 2008 21:18

Re: Re: [prakruti] Fwd: NOTMILK - Death by Protein

Recently sent in some stuff on how those types of soy products, milk, tofu, etc, aren't really very good for you. the only type of soy that is, is the fermented type, as is in Miso, and things of that nature. In trying to be healthy, you could be doing yourself other damage. It's not the protein that is the problem.Lynn

 

---------- Forwarded message ----------cohensmilk1 <cohensmilk1 >Apr 6, 2008 5:22 PMNOTMILK - Death by Proteinnotmilk Death by Protein A Notmilk reader was concerned that soy products might contain too much protein. The World Health Organization recommends that the average adult consume 28-35 grams of protein each day. The average American delivers well over 100 grams of protein to his or her body each day, and that might be the reason for our high rates of cancer, heart disease, osteoporosis, asthma, and diabetes. As for soy...a 100-gram portion (3.5 ounces) of Mori-Nu silken soft tofu contains 4 grams of protein. A 100-gram portion of firm tofu contains 7 grams of protein. The same amount of cheddar cheese contains 25 grams of protein. Soy products are a good source of protein for vegans. They contain a full range of amino acids incluing the 9 essential aminos which are often difficult to get in a soyless/beanless vegan diet. As for protein deficiency, visit any U.S. hospital and ask: "How many patients occupy beds here because they do not eat enough protein" The answer you will get is, "Zero." Hospitals are filled with Americans who have eaten too much dietary animal protein. It is nearly impossible to live in America and not satisfy your protein needs. In 1988, Dr. C. Everett Koop, the Surgeon General of the United States issued his Report on Nutrition and Health, which concluded: "The average man in the US eats 175% more protein than the recommended daily allowance and the average woman eats 144% more." The Surgeon General had to had to have been aware of these five additional scientific facts: (1) "Osteoporosis is caused by a number of things, one of the most important being too much dietary protein." Science 1986;233(4763) (2) "Countries with the highest rates of osteoporosis, such as the United States, England, and Sweden, consume the most milk. China and Japan, where people eat much less protein and dairy food, have low rates of osteoporosis." Nutrition Action Healthletter, June, 1993 (3) "Dietary protein increases production of acid in the blood which can be neutralized by calcium mobilized from the skeleton." American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, 1995; 61 (4) "Even when eating 1,400 mg of calcium daily, one can lose up to 4% of his or her bone mass each year while consuming a high-protein diet." American Journal of Clinical Nutrition 1979;32 (5) "Increasing one's protein intake by 100% may cause calcium loss to double." Journal of Nutrition, 1981; 111 One year after the Surgeon General's comments, theEuropean Journal of Epidemiology (1999 Jul, 15:6, 507-15) reported: "Animal food-groups were directly correlated to mortality from coronary heart disease, defined as sudden coronary death or fatal myocardial infarction and vegetable food-groups (except potatoes) as well as fish and alcohol were inversely correlated with CHD mortality. Univariate analysis showed significant positive correlation coefficients for butter (R = 0.887), meat (R = 0.645), pastries (R = 0.752), and milk (R = 0.600) consumption, and significant negative correlation coefficients for legumes (R = -0.822), oils (R = -0.571), and alcohol (R = -0.609) consumption. Combined vegetable foods (excluding alcohol) were inversely correlated (R = -0.519), whereas combined animal foods (excluding fish) were directly correlated (R = 0.798) with coronary heart disease death rates." Robert Cohen http://www.notmilk.com -- Dear Friends,Sending this mail keeping you in mind. If you do not want to receive such mails let me know.Please consider the environment before printing this message. Sincerely,Dr. Vispi JokhiMS (Orthopedics)660/6 S. Palamkote Road, Parsi Colony,Dadar, Mumbai-400014.91 22 324407109323351529e mail: vhjokhi ---Incoming mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system ( http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.859 / Virus Database: 585 - Release 2/14/05******Kraig and Shirley Carroll ... in the woods of SE Kentuckyhttp://www.thehavens.com/thehavens606-376-3363---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system ( http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.859 / Virus Database: 585 - Release 2/14/05

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At 05:34 AM 4/10/2008, you wrote:

Huh..........sounds like a good choice. I use coconut oil for a number of

things as well, including to soften skin...........I use a variety of

oils to cook - like xtra virgin olive a lot, but it's not good for things

that you would prefer to have a sweeter taste.....

Your pancakes make me think of the ones I used to make when we were

low-carbing it. It's really quite amazing - one can make pancakes that

are really good out of many things people wouldn't normally think

of.

thanks for sharing.......

Lynn

 

Lynn

 

I am a 'convert' to coconut milk/cream and 90% of the

fat I use in cooking/baking is coconut fat.

 

I awoke today to discover that I had run out of my

own home made gluten free bread...... and as I cannot eat standard

breakfast cereals or make toast from 'regular' shop bought breads..... I

thought long and hard about what I would eat for

sustenence............ ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh PANKAKES.... made from g/f

flour and coconut milk......

 

you gotta try em....... mouth wateringly

delicious

 

Breakfast at 7am tomorrow will include more pancakes

as I still have a tad of the mix left in the refrigerator!

 

I use it in any recipe that calls for milk...... try

it in scrambled eggs too --- YUP tiz delich......