Its the US' fault (my last post on this!)

[Guest guest]

Simple reason Lynn... Ron Paul would be good for the world, not

just good for the USA.

And I am not alone in this, if it were up to the world voters there

wouldn't be a doubt: Ron Paul would be the one.

 

Our boys and girls are deployed in the war regions too Lynn., as are many

other nationalities. Not as many, true, but they are there. Our economy

although doing better than what I glean about the one in USA is still

affected, people here are losing their homes too. Whatever goes

terribly wrong in USA has the ripple effect effecting the rest of

the world.

The day the US stops meddling in other countries that will be the

day citizens of the world will stay out of the politics.

With regard to giving more accurate information... Ron Paul

has roughly 300 delegates, McCain roughly 900, but final

nominee will be settled at the September convention. Lots is

happening.

Many of the primaries are only straw polls and do not decide the

delegates, but are decided in caucuses, all which has not even happened

yet.

Mainstream has taken the attitude of 'winner in a state takes all' .. not

all states work like that. MSM doesn't shy away from the bullying

reporting which makes everyone believe it in the end.

To find the real numbers you would have to look at each state's primary

results and then see if they do it by winner take all, percentage, or by

place. It would be tedious to accomplish, but maybe someone should do it,

so we can put this " McCain has won " crap to rest.

Reasons for Dr Paul cutting the numbers of staff is because he is a

genius in economics, knows how to spend every dollar to its greatest

value, unlike many of the other candidates who have overspent

beyond belief and still dropped out. Dr.Paul's budget was never as

huge as any of the others, and yet, he is still running and going

well, with cash on hand. The dedication of his support is

awesome.

Unfortunately I can't seem to find the link to the worldvoters site...

(if and when I do I will post it), but to give a little info about it:

Ron Paul has 63000 of the votes, Obama comes second... McCain had

900.

It takes a bit more effort to find the real deal and information but it

is out there.

Hanneke

At 12:05 PM 7/04/2008, you wrote:

At 09:07 PM 4/6/2008, you

wrote:

OK - well, this is what I've been saying for quite some time - one can

only believe a part of what is said...........but, I'm curious - why

would you be involved in a grass-roots movement for Ron Paul? You do live

in Australia, don't you? Also, what part of what I said was incorrect? I

have no investment in passing on wrong info, so I'd really like to know.

I first heard about him from my sister who lives in England.......

 

Lynn

 

Lynn

I am involved on a daily basis with the grass roots movement , and no, I

am not confusing anything.

I think the confusing part for many comes from the main stream

reporting.

At 10:28 AM 7/04/2008, you wrote:

At 07:44 PM 4/6/2008, you

wrote:

Are you sure you know how the process works over here as far as delegates

goes?

 

http://answers./question/index?qid=20071106224359AAmWM1x

gives some answers. The Republican nominee is already sewn up. Ron Paul

couldn't run as a Dem - no way in hell he would get the votes. The only

way he can get on the ballot is to run as an Independant or Libertarian

or something like that.....Not to mention, most of the states have

already had their primaries, if not all of them.....most, I think - but

not sure...

You may be mixing up delegates for votes........

Lynn

 

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[Guest guest]

Thank you Hanneke! Glad to

see the RP supporters stand up.

He is the ONLY candidate in my mind, everyone else is the same.

Here is something I posted last nite that never went thru.

=========================

Fog of the Voting War.... Do you SEE this?

 

I see before me the fog of war -as they like to call it.

It is the smear of the campaign in Politics. But truly, it is the war

of

our free men against the elite.

It is mental and it is symbolic and it is spiritual.

If you don't get it...I don't know if I can help you.

I wish I could.

You see,

Right Now, somewhere the Elite (PTB/TPTB/CFR) have been standing with

one another,

chuckling and laughing at each of us, the electorate, the populus, the

voters, the taxpayers.

Many of us, in the blur of life and work and family and perhaps blind

in

sheepland others just trying to live the American dream, have become

the

foothold of their comedy.

 

Its' tyranny smolders in the embers of this --live, in your face--

chess

game.

 

Three candidates with one agenda.

No vote needs to be counted, any Pundit in office is a win for the

Elite.

Obama, Clinton or McCain...Is Absolutely the same for the Elite and

Horrendous for our Country...

 

But, we the people, dance around the Charade.

We send money, we volunteer, we activate in our community.

We debate and we bicker the semantics of religion, color, feminism, War

 

and Peace and all the other little things the Elite Owned Media throws

our way. We feel the spirit of democracy and the wave of patriotism.

All the while, 5 or more steps ahead, the Elite smoke their cigars and

tip swiggers of brandy at each other. Another successful campaign

season

with some new agendas washed into the brains of the populous.

 

Some of the Moves of 2008:

1- Death of the Republican Party

 

When you spend your evenings only watching Socialist Democrat actors

charade each other on TV in the name of politics. It becomes the Only

Party in the Country. Is there another candidate or another Party?

That moves to part two

 

2- One Party System

Sure, McCain is there, Yelling at anyone who questions him, promising

to

get us into war, getting on and off of airplanes, running away from any

 

debate offers by other republicans -even if they have zero chance of

getting all the delegates. Why? What would it hurt for McCain to be on

TV as much as possible. Showing us what he has! Debating down the other

 

Republicans? Can't he debate? Doesn't he have something to say? Or is

he

a loose cannon Manchurian Candidate?

 

Now that leads back to #1...We have Obama and Clinton on the TVE

24/7...and hence...No one else is running for president.....

 

That moves us clearly to 3...

 

3- Teaching Americans how to become Socialists

Now, if there is no differing party on TV to watch. If every debate and

 

every candidate on TV and every political opinion fighting for

president

being viewed is presented by only one side of the Coin...(Clinton or

Obama) Part 1 and Part 2-Death of Republican Party/One party System...

 

Now, within this mindset...the only thing people are discussing is:

Which is better:

Obama's Presidential Ideals or Clinton's Ideals?

(I know they are both playing for the same team, so my answer is, there

 

is no question...they live and die by the same sword)

 

In the mean time...This creates Passionate Identity to only One side of

 

the Coin...

 

There is No other Side of the Coin....

 

4- It is almost Totalitarian...

The plurbs on the media about vote fraud. They don't need Vote fraud

this year. Everyone is absolutely on the same team. They are just

different flavors.

 

 

Z PLURIBUS UNUM Clinton McCain Obama

===========================

Toni

 

"What we are today comes from our thoughts of yesterday,

and our present thoughts build our life of tomorrow:

Our life is the creation of our mind." ~Buddha~

 

 

 

Hanneke wrote:

 

Simple reason Lynn... Ron Paul would be good for the world, not

just good for the USA.

And I am not alone in this, if it were up to the world voters there

wouldn't be a doubt: Ron Paul would be the one.

 

 

 

Our boys and girls are deployed in the war regions too Lynn., as are

many

other nationalities. Not as many, true, but they are there. Our economy

although doing better than what I glean about the one in USA is still

affected, people here are losing their homes too. Whatever goes

terribly wrong in USA has the ripple effect effecting the rest of

the world.

The day the US stops meddling in other countries that will be the

day citizens of the world will stay out of the politics.

 

With regard to giving more accurate information... Ron Paul

has roughly 300 delegates, McCain roughly 900, but final

nominee will be settled at the September convention. Lots is

happening.

Many of the primaries are only straw polls and do not decide the

delegates, but are decided in caucuses, all which has not even happened

yet.

Mainstream has taken the attitude of 'winner in a state takes all' ..

not

all states work like that. MSM doesn't shy away from the bullying

reporting which makes everyone believe it in the end.

To find the real numbers you would have to look at each state's primary

results and then see if they do it by winner take all, percentage, or

by

place. It would be tedious to accomplish, but maybe someone should do

it,

so we can put this "McCain has won" crap to rest.

 

Reasons for Dr Paul cutting the numbers of staff is because he is a

genius in economics, knows how to spend every dollar to its greatest

value, unlike many of the other candidates who have overspent

beyond belief and still dropped out. Dr.Paul's budget was never as

huge as any of the others, and yet, he is still running and going

well, with cash on hand. The dedication of his support is

awesome.

 

Unfortunately I can't seem to find the link to the worldvoters site...

(if and when I do I will post it), but to give a little info about it:

Ron Paul has 63000 of the votes, Obama comes second... McCain had

900.

It takes a bit more effort to find the real deal and information but it

is out there.

 

Hanneke

[Guest guest]

Toni,

Thank you so much, ... gives a rather vivid description of the

whole circus. Well done.

Can't help myself Toni, lol, once you're hooked you're hooked.. but

on a more serious note: I share your sentiment that he is the ONLY

candidate.

They have a heck of a time digging up dirt about him because there is

none.

In their attempts to silence him, since he is not stepping out, the

GOP is resorting to the lowest of lowest tactics making up new rules as

they go. Some interesting things will happen till

November.

Voting for the lesser of the evil ones is still evil.

Hanneke

 

At 03:17 PM 7/04/2008, you wrote:

 

Thank you Hanneke! Glad to see the RP supporters stand up.

He is the ONLY candidate in my mind, everyone else is the same.

Here is something I posted last nite that never went

thru.

[Guest guest]

Yes, I thought that was a

perfect description of our circus! I didn't write it, but it summed up

my sentiments enough to save it and try to get people to see what is

really happening, the least of which ihs my own Mother! lol

Hillary was at the Commission of 300 in July 07 tho, so we know she

was probably already hand-picked!

I will also write Ron Paul in, *if* there even is an election.

Seems to be a bit of a feeling of unrest lately.

I am not sure what is going on, but it seems to be a feeling of great

despair,

like a constant gnawing in your gut kind of thing.

Something is amiss, whether it be weather, war or human, that's for

sure!

Toni

PS: I do keep my eye on the usgs.gov site tho! lol

http://earthquake.usgs.gov/

 

"What we are today comes from our thoughts of yesterday,

and our present thoughts build our life of tomorrow:

Our life is the creation of our mind." ~Buddha~

 

 

 

Hanneke wrote:

Toni,

 

Thank you so much, ... gives a rather vivid description of the

whole circus. Well done.

 

Can't help myself Toni, lol, once you're hooked you're hooked.. but

on a more serious note: I share your sentiment that he is the ONLY

candidate.

They have a heck of a time digging up dirt about him because there is

none.

 

In their attempts to silence him, since he is not stepping out, the

GOP is resorting to the lowest of lowest tactics making up new rules as

they go. Some interesting things will happen till

November.

Voting for the lesser of the evil ones is still evil.

 

Hanneke

[Guest guest]

I'm just glad he's still alive!!

 

-

Hanneke

Monday, April 07, 2008 3:58 PM

Re: Re: Its the US' fault (my last post on this!)

Toni,Thank you so much, ... gives a rather vivid description of the whole circus. Well done.Can't help myself Toni, lol, once you're hooked you're hooked.. but on a more serious note: I share your sentiment that he is the ONLY candidate.They have a heck of a time digging up dirt about him because there is none.In their attempts to silence him, since he is not stepping out, the GOP is resorting to the lowest of lowest tactics making up new rules as they go. Some interesting things will happen till November.Voting for the lesser of the evil ones is still evil. HannekeAt 03:17 PM 7/04/2008, you wrote:

Thank you Hanneke! Glad to see the RP supporters stand up.He is the ONLY candidate in my mind, everyone else is the same.Here is something I posted last nite that never went thru.

[Guest guest]

Ya, I supposed they could of

Paul Wellstone'd him by now, but how many of them can they really do,

and get away with it. Ya, I probably fear for his life more than

anything!

T

 

"What we are today comes from our thoughts of yesterday,

and our present thoughts build our life of tomorrow:

Our life is the creation of our mind." ~Buddha~

 

 

 

Jane MacRoss wrote:

 

I'm just glad

he's still alive!!

 

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Hanneke

 

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Sent:

Monday, April 07, 2008 3:58 PM

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Re: Re: Its the US' fault (my last post on this!)

 

 

Toni,

 

Thank you so much, ... gives a rather vivid description of the whole

circus. Well done.

 

Can't help myself Toni, lol, once you're hooked you're hooked.. but on

a more serious note: I share your sentiment that he is the ONLY

candidate.

They have a heck of a time digging up dirt about him because there is

none.

 

In their attempts to silence him, since he is not stepping out, the

GOP is resorting to the lowest of lowest tactics making up new rules as

they go. Some interesting things will happen till November.

Voting for the lesser of the evil ones is still evil.

 

Hanneke