States sue EPA to move on global warming

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Guess no one's told them about the global warming

hoax?.....................Lynn

States sue EPA to move on global warming

Citing Supreme Court ruling, allies want to force rules

within 60 days

BOSTON - A coalition of states on Wednesday sued

the Bush administration, saying it has failed to comply with a Supreme

Court ruling that opened the door for regulating the greenhouse gases

tied to global warming.

The Supreme Court said in April 2007 that carbon dioxide from burning

fossil fuels is a pollutant subject to the Clean Air Act. The court

directed the EPA to determine if carbon dioxide emissions, linked to

global warming, endanger public health and welfare.

If that is the case, the court said, the EPA must regulate the

emissions.

The 18 states, two cities and 11 environmental groups said in a court

filing Wednesday that the EPA has not issued a decision on regulation.

Their court filing seeks to compel the EPA to act within 60

days.

“The EPA’s failure to act in the face of these incontestable dangers is a

shameful dereliction of duty,” said Massachusetts Attorney General Martha

Coakley.

The Sierra Club, which is also part of the lawsuit, accused the Bush

administration of favoring industry. " While this administration has

done everything possible to make a mockery of the rule of law in this

country, it’s still stunning that they refuse to yield even to the high

court, " said Sierra Club legal counsel David Bookbinder.

EPA spokesman Jonathan Shradar said the Supreme Court required the agency

to evaluate how it would regulate greenhouse gas emissions from cars and

other vehicles, but set no deadline.

The EPA plans to include the evaluation in a broader look at how to best

regulate all greenhouse gas emissions, not just those from vehicles, he

said. Otherwise, a mash of laws and regulations could emerge rather than

the “holistic” approach the administration favors.

“We want to set a good foundation to build a strong climate policy of

potential regulation and laws we can work toward and actually see some

success,” Shradar said.

Draft rule abandoned?

The Supreme Court ruling requires the agency to regulate carbon

dioxide if it determines it is a danger to public health and welfare.

 

The plaintiffs contend the EPA has already completed the work needed to

start regulating carbon dioxide.

Senior EPA employees have told congressional investigators in the House

about a tentative finding from early December that CO2 posed a danger

because of its climate impact. They said a draft regulation was

distributed to the Transportation Department and the White

House.

The EPA officials, in interviews with the House Oversight and Government

Reform Committee, said those findings were put on hold abruptly.

 

EPA administrator Stephen Johnson has said the issue had to be

re-examined because of tougher automobile mileage requirements enacted in

December.

The plaintiffs want the finding about the dangers of carbon dioxide

released within 60 days so the process for regulating vehicle emissions

can begin. They said final rules wouldn’t be ready until the next

administration takes over.

In Washington, the House Select Committee on Energy Independence and

Global Warming voted 12-0 Wednesday to issue a subpoena for all drafts of

EPA documents on the issue.

“EPA has made no effort to accommodate the committee’s request,” said

Rep. Edward Markey, D-Mass., the committee’s chairman.

Shradar declined to say whether the agency would produce the documents

the subpoena will request. “We will review this new petition and respond

appropriately,” he said.

EPA chief signals go-slow approach

Johnson last Thursday told lawmakers that the agency would not be

rushed into deciding.

Such action " could affect many (emission) sources beyond just cars

and trucks " and needs to be examined broadly as to other impacts, he

wrote the leaders of the House and Senate environment

committees.

Johnson said he has decided to begin the process by seeking public

comment on the implications of regulating carbon dioxide on other agency

rules that cover everything from power plants and factories to schools

and small businesses.

That process could take months and led some of his critics to suggest he

was shunting the sensitive issue to the next administration.

" This is the latest quack from a lame-duck EPA intent on running out

the clock ... without doing a thing to combat global warming, " said

Rep. Edward Markey, D-Mass. He is chairman of the House Select Committee

on Energy Independence and Global Warming.

Johnson said that if CO2 is found to endanger public health and welfare,

the agency probably would have to curtail such emissions from other

sources as well. That could affect a range of air pollution, from cement

factories, refineries and power plants to cars, aircraft, schools and

off-road vehicles.

" Rather than rushing to judgment on a single issue, this approach

allows us to examine all the potential effects of a decision with the

benefit of the public insight, " Johnson wrote.

Sen. Barbara Boxer, who heads the Senate Environment and Public Works

Committee, noted that Johnson has had nearly a year to respond to the

court but " now, instead of action, we get more

foot-dragging. "

" Time is not on our side when it comes to avoiding dangerous climate

change. This letter makes it clear that Mr. Johnson and the Bush

administration are not on our side, either, " Boxer, D-Calif., said

in a statement.

The plaintiffs in Wednesday's court action include Arizona, California,

Connecticut, Delaware, Illinois, Iowa, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts,

Minnesota, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode

Island, Vermont, Washington and the District of Columbia, plus the city

of New York, and the mayor and city council of Baltimore.

 

 

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Oh...yes they know all about the hoax, but this is big state business. what a excuse to strip you off your liberty, and regulate every detail in your life. And how many people will have a good job to di it.Den 03/04/2008 kl. 15.50 skrev Lynn Ward:Guess no one's told them about the global warming hoax?.....................LynnStates sue EPA to move on global warmingCiting Supreme Court ruling, allies want to force rules within 60 daysBOSTON - A coalition of states on Wednesday sued the Bush administration, saying it has failed to comply with a Supreme Court ruling that opened the door for regulating the greenhouse gases tied to global warming.The Supreme Court said in April 2007 that carbon dioxide from burning fossil fuels is a pollutant subject to the Clean Air Act. The court directed the EPA to determine if carbon dioxide emissions, linked to global warming, endanger public health and welfare.If that is the case, the court said, the EPA must regulate the emissions.The 18 states, two cities and 11 environmental groups said in a court filing Wednesday that the EPA has not issued a decision on regulation. Their court filing seeks to compel the EPA to act within 60 days.“The EPA’s failure to act in the face of these incontestable dangers is a shameful dereliction of duty,” said Massachusetts Attorney General Martha Coakley.The Sierra Club, which is also part of the lawsuit, accused the Bush administration of favoring industry. "While this administration has done everything possible to make a mockery of the rule of law in this country, it’s still stunning that they refuse to yield even to the high court," said Sierra Club legal counsel David Bookbinder. EPA spokesman Jonathan Shradar said the Supreme Court required the agency to evaluate how it would regulate greenhouse gas emissions from cars and other vehicles, but set no deadline.The EPA plans to include the evaluation in a broader look at how to best regulate all greenhouse gas emissions, not just those from vehicles, he said. Otherwise, a mash of laws and regulations could emerge rather than the “holistic” approach the administration favors.“We want to set a good foundation to build a strong climate policy of potential regulation and laws we can work toward and actually see some success,” Shradar said.Draft rule abandoned?The Supreme Court ruling requires the agency to regulate carbon dioxide if it determines it is a danger to public health and welfare. The plaintiffs contend the EPA has already completed the work needed to start regulating carbon dioxide.Senior EPA employees have told congressional investigators in the House about a tentative finding from early December that CO2 posed a danger because of its climate impact. They said a draft regulation was distributed to the Transportation Department and the White House.The EPA officials, in interviews with the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, said those findings were put on hold abruptly. EPA administrator Stephen Johnson has said the issue had to be re-examined because of tougher automobile mileage requirements enacted in December.The plaintiffs want the finding about the dangers of carbon dioxide released within 60 days so the process for regulating vehicle emissions can begin. They said final rules wouldn’t be ready until the next administration takes over.In Washington, the House Select Committee on Energy Independence and Global Warming voted 12-0 Wednesday to issue a subpoena for all drafts of EPA documents on the issue.“EPA has made no effort to accommodate the committee’s request,” said Rep. Edward Markey, D-Mass., the committee’s chairman.Shradar declined to say whether the agency would produce the documents the subpoena will request. “We will review this new petition and respond appropriately,” he said.EPA chief signals go-slow approachJohnson last Thursday told lawmakers that the agency would not be rushed into deciding.Such action "could affect many (emission) sources beyond just cars and trucks" and needs to be examined broadly as to other impacts, he wrote the leaders of the House and Senate environment committees.Johnson said he has decided to begin the process by seeking public comment on the implications of regulating carbon dioxide on other agency rules that cover everything from power plants and factories to schools and small businesses.That process could take months and led some of his critics to suggest he was shunting the sensitive issue to the next administration."This is the latest quack from a lame-duck EPA intent on running out the clock ... without doing a thing to combat global warming," said Rep. Edward Markey, D-Mass. He is chairman of the House Select Committee on Energy Independence and Global Warming.Johnson said that if CO2 is found to endanger public health and welfare, the agency probably would have to curtail such emissions from other sources as well. That could affect a range of air pollution, from cement factories, refineries and power plants to cars, aircraft, schools and off-road vehicles."Rather than rushing to judgment on a single issue, this approach allows us to examine all the potential effects of a decision with the benefit of the public insight," Johnson wrote.Sen. Barbara Boxer, who heads the Senate Environment and Public Works Committee, noted that Johnson has had nearly a year to respond to the court but "now, instead of action, we get more foot-dragging.""Time is not on our side when it comes to avoiding dangerous climate change. This letter makes it clear that Mr. Johnson and the Bush administration are not on our side, either," Boxer, D-Calif., said in a statement.The plaintiffs in Wednesday's court action include Arizona, California, Connecticut, Delaware, Illinois, Iowa, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Minnesota, New Jersey, New Mexico, New York, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Vermont, Washington and the District of Columbia, plus the city of New York, and the mayor and city council of Baltimore.http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23919234/

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At 10:05 AM 4/3/2008, you wrote:

You know, I'm not convinced - I think a lot of people still believe we

are having a global warming - and that would include a lot of folks in

power. The media, in general, has been hawking this theory like crazy.

After all, if you see it in on the telly, the news and read it in the

paper, it must be true..........

Lynn

 

Oh...yes they know all about the

hoax, but this is big state business. what a excuse to strip you off your

liberty, and regulate every detail in your life. And how many people will

have a good job to di it.

 

Den 03/04/2008 kl. 15.50 skrev Lynn Ward:

 

Guess no one's told them about the global

warming hoax?.....................Lynn

States sue EPA to move on global

warming

Citing Supreme Court ruling, allies want to force rules

within 60 days

[Guest guest]

Hi,I know that the global warming issue is a hoax.I don't like Al Gore (he traveled to France with Madeleine Albright to try to arm-twist France into accepting GMOs).However, I like the fact that fake global warming is fueling change.The planet is extremely polluted.Have you seen this Algalita video on the mass of plastic in the Pacific Ocean that is larger than the United States?Some of the plastic is 50 years old. Water samples contain 6 times more plastic than plankton.http://www.algalita.org/pelagic_plastic_mov.htmlMary JoRe: States sue EPA to move on global warmingPosted by: "Lynn Ward" lynnward   lynn_ward2002Thu Apr 3, 2008 11:04 am (PDT)At 10:05 AM 4/3/2008, you wrote:You know, I'm not convinced - I think a lot of people still believe we are having a global warming - and that would include a lot of folks in power. The media, in general, has been hawking this theory like crazy. After all, if you see it in on the telly, the news and read it in the paper, it must be true..........Lynn>Oh...yes they know all about the hoax, but this is big state >business. what a excuse to strip you off your liberty, and regulate >every detail in your life. And how many people will have a good job to di it.>>

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At 05:40 PM 4/3/2008, you wrote:

Oh, and have you read, that Obama said he will put Gore in charge of

dealing with the global warming issues..........

Something else -mentioned the article to DH, and he had a point - said he

felt states ought to be able to have higher emissions requirements than

the Feds. As long as it's not lower.

I agree, with you, Mary Jo, if nothing else has come out of it, I think

many people's consciousness has been raised in terms of what we're doing,

and have done to our planet. I've seen pictures of that plastic mess in

the ocean, and it's shocking. Personally, I think plastic bags ought to

be banned.

In case anyone is interested, there are some sites online that show you

how to sort of " remake " your plastic bags - they can be woven

into bags, rugs - all kinds of things. In fact, I've been saving plastic

bags in certain colors to make a throw rug. Ought to work great for the

bathroom, or anywhere where it might get wet. But, many of them people

wind up using in just regular rooms.

Lynn

 

Hi,

I know that the global warming issue is a hoax.

I don't like Al Gore (he traveled to France with Madeleine Albright to

try to arm-twist France into accepting GMOs).

However, I like the fact that fake global warming is fueling change.

The planet is extremely polluted.

Have you seen this Algalita video on the mass of plastic in the Pacific

Ocean that is larger than the United States?

Some of the plastic is 50 years old. Water samples contain 6 times more

plastic than plankton.

 

http://www.algalita.org/pelagic_plastic_mov.html

Mary Jo

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ten of the past twelve years, have produced the hottest temps. ever

recorded in the us.......so something is getting warmer, and the american

west has had the highest heat increase within the us! kraig

******

Kraig and Shirley Carroll ... in the woods of SE Kentucky

http://www.thehavens.com/

thehavens

606-376-3363

 

 

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Hi Lynn,I recently discovered compostable bags made of a vegetable polymer that breaks down in 10 to 45 days.http://recyclaholics.com/old_site/bags.htmSeventh Generation and some of the other "earth friendly" companies should have introduced these type of bags long ago.I'm disappointed in Seventh Generation. The Organic Consumers Association recently blew the whistle on the 1,4-dixoane in Seventh Generation products. It's a carcinogen that's banned in the EU.Mary JoRe: States sue EPA to move on global warmingPosted by: "Lynn Ward" lynnward   lynn_ward2002Thu Apr 3, 2008 5:06 pm (PDT)At 05:40 PM 4/3/2008, you wrote:Oh, and have you read, that Obama said he will put Gore in charge of dealing with the global warming issues..........Something else -mentioned the article to DH, and he had a point - said he felt states ought to be able to have higher emissions requirements than the Feds. As long as it's not lower.I agree, with you, Mary Jo, if nothing else has come out of it, I think many people's consciousness has been raised in terms of what we're doing, and have done to our planet. I've seen pictures of that plastic mess in the ocean, and it's shocking. Personally, I think plastic bags ought to be banned.In case anyone is interested, there are some sites online that show you how to sort of "remake" your plastic bags - they can be woven into bags, rugs - all kinds of things. In fact, I've been saving plastic bags in certain colors to make a throw rug. Ought to work great for the bathroom, or anywhere where it might get wet. But, many of them people wind up using in just regular rooms.Lynn

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At 11:11 PM 4/3/2008, you wrote:

Hi Mary Jo,

Huh........cool.........I had no idea such things were being made. Since

they can be made, people need to start making a big deal and get them or

something like them into the stores. We have fabric or knit bags like

they often use in England which we use for big shopping, but we,

especially DH usually forget to bring them, or stick a couple in the car

when he wants to just pick a couple of things up. In CA, they had these

bins outside grocery stores, where you could put your plastic bags, and

they'd get re-used, or re-cycled in some way. Here, in KY, there don't

have anything like that. I love the idea of compostable

bags...........

Lynn

 

Hi Lynn,

I recently discovered compostable bags made of a vegetable polymer that

breaks down in 10 to 45 days.

 

http://recyclaholics.com/old_site/bags.htm

Seventh Generation and some of the other " earth friendly "

companies should have introduced these type of bags long ago.

I'm disappointed in Seventh Generation. The Organic Consumers Association

recently blew the whistle on the 1,4-dixoane in Seventh Generation

products. It's a carcinogen that's banned in the EU.

Mary Jo

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Has the winter 2008 not produced the coldest temps. ever recorded in some places in the US.KennDen 04/04/2008 kl. 04.26 skrev thehavens:ten of the past twelve years, have produced the hottest temps. ever recorded in the us.......so something is getting warmer, and the american west has had the highest heat increase within the us! kraig******Kraig and Shirley Carroll ... in the woods of SE Kentuckyhttp://www.thehavens.com/thehavens (AT) highland (DOT) net606-376-3363 ---Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free.Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com).Version: 6.0.859 / Virus Database: 585 - Release 2/14/05

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not even close ....our winter has been noticeable mild here in

kentucky, not even 5 inches of snow for the whole winter!!!!!! and only

one night of below 0' F tempertures!!!!! kraig

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thehavens

606-376-3363

 

 

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