Guest guest Posted June 11, 2006 Report Share Posted June 11, 2006 Hiya, I went to the doc this week for the first time in at least 3 years. I went to get my foot x-rayed after twisting my ankle real bad and fearing I buggered up a previous injury. The doc spent maybe 6 seconds looking at my foot, declared it a sprain and then spent 10 minutes trying to get me to get a tetanus shot and make an appointment for a pap test. I refused both. I used to get yearly exams before I quit going to the doctor and now I'm wondering if it's really important to do so. Does anyone have any input on this? I don't know if pap tests are truly helpful or not. Thanks Krys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2006 Report Share Posted June 11, 2006 Well, Krys, a pap smear detected the beginning stages of cervical cancer in me in 1974. So to me, they are very important. I am very grateful for the test. Marie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2006 Report Share Posted June 11, 2006 Oh boy do I! lol...Seriously! I went 7 years without a pap, had one, then was told I needed to see a specialist as I had High grade pre cancerous cervical dysplasia, which comes from HPV a virus that I think comes to us in different way's, but still can kill you how ever you got it. I was set up for surgery after having biopsies, and had it done, and a dnc just to be sure, and was in and out in a matter of 4 1/2 hours or so! And Medicaid covers it! Please any woman, and you, please always have a yearly pap done...I was told years ago that once you hit a certain age and a certain amount of good results that you can skip a few...NOT! I am proof! Please take care and God be with you Karly =0) On 6/10/06, harlydane @msn.com <harlydane wrote: Hiya, I went to the doc this week for the first time in at least 3 years. I went to get my foot x-rayed after twisting my ankle real bad and fearing I buggered up a previous injury. The doc spent maybe 6 seconds looking at my foot, declared it a sprain and then spent 10 minutes trying to get me to get a tetanus shot and make an appointment for a pap test. I refused both. I used to get yearly exams before I quit going to the doctor and now I'm wondering if it's really important to do so. Does anyone have any input on this? I don't know if pap tests are truly helpful or not. Thanks Krys -- People are like stained glass windows: they sparkle and shine when the sun is out, but when the darkness sets in their true beauty is revealed only if there is a light within. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2006 Report Share Posted June 11, 2006 Well since this topic has come up.....does anyone know what can be done or any herbal preventative used to help prevent cervical cancer and or to fight off any viruses such as HPV? Important topic....... Thanks! Gina Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2006 Report Share Posted June 11, 2006 Hey Krys, Personally I avoid the medical world unless I need access to their tests then I do my own thing. Are you taking anything to help heal your ankle? Arnica montana either in homeopathic form or in a cream is great for healing traumatic injuries like a sprain and swelling associated with them. I had a pap 5 years ago because a new doc was bugging me so much about it I just gave in. Look at that analogy - I get bugged to let a stranger put foreign objects inside me - in any other context that is sexual assault. That was the first pap I had since my kids were born 20 years ago, and it will be my last. Are they beneficial? As some here said, yes. I think it all depends on your consciousness and state of health. The medical world is based on fear - so have all these invasive tests just to make sure everything is ok. But if we are mentally and physically clean, continually cleanse, use appropriate supplements, and all that, then they may not be necessary. We know our body, we live it and with a strong immune system under those conditions, should be able to identify or heal things before they get that bad. Rachel harlydane @msn.com wrote: Hiya, I went to the doc this week for the first time in at least 3 years. I went to get my foot x-rayed after twisting my ankle real bad and fearing I buggered up a previous injury. The doc spent maybe 6 seconds looking at my foot, declared it a sprain and then spent 10 minutes trying to get me to get a tetanus shot and make an appointment for a pap test. I refused both. I used to get yearly exams before I quit going to the doctor and now I'm wondering if it's really important to do so. Does anyone have any input on this? I don't know if pap tests are truly helpful or not. Thanks Krys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2006 Report Share Posted June 11, 2006 Krys, I consider Pap Smears an invasion of the body. They can cause irritation which can lead to future problems. If there was something wrong how would you take care of it? Naturally or cutting away at your body? Why not develop a healthy lifestyle (if you haven't already)that would deter any problems? Vicki herbal remedies , " harlydane " <harlydane wrote: > > Hiya, > > I went to the doc this week for the first time in at least 3 years. I went to get my foot x-rayed after twisting my ankle real bad and fearing I buggered up a previous injury. The doc spent maybe 6 seconds looking at my foot, declared it a sprain and then spent 10 minutes trying to get me to get a tetanus shot and make an appointment for a pap test. I refused both. I used to get yearly exams before I quit going to the doctor and now I'm wondering if it's really important to do so. Does anyone have any input on this? I don't know if pap tests are truly helpful or not. > > Thanks > Krys > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2006 Report Share Posted June 11, 2006 As a cancer survivor I would have to strongly disagree. I got lucky - I found that small lump in my neck. I had 2 needle biopsies and was told I would need surgery to be able to know if was benign. Pretty invasive I'd say. But I went for it. Good thing I did. I was diagnosed with a very aggressive cancer - Large B Cell Lymphoma - Stage 4 and was given about 3 months to live. I used every kind of treatment available to help me beat it - natural and otherwise. You never know what you'll do until it's you that's facing certain death. I consider myself lucky that I had a sign - the lump. Cervical cancer does not usually give any signs and it is very hard to beat! So go for the irritation. Ok, I give, maybe that little scrape they do on you causes a little irritation - but, I still say better to be alive. Just One Who Survived - Bonnie "Sam" Garrett westonvj wrote: Krys, I consider Pap Smears an invasion of the body. They can cause irritation which can lead to future problems. If there was something wrong how would you take care of it? Naturally or cutting away at your body? Why not develop a healthy lifestyle (if you haven't already)that would deter any problems? Vicki Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2006 Report Share Posted June 11, 2006 I'm sorry to hear about your view on this...there is no way for you to know whether or not the cells in your uterus/vagina/cervix have changed,,,,how to take care of cancer? cut it out! WOULD you knowingly leave that inside you to fester your life away? And of coarse it is an invasion to every responsible woman. And sex causes more problems for a woman than a pap does. I truly hope you re think your feelings about paps for your own sake, and the others whom read your post. No matter how healthy, or how you eat, no one is immune to this. Karly On 6/11/06, westonvj <westonvj wrote: Krys,I consider Pap Smears an invasion of the body. They can cause irritation which can lead to future problems.If there was something wrong how would you take care of it? Naturally or cutting away at your body? Why not develop a healthy lifestyle (if you haven't already)that would deter any problems? Vickiherbal remedies , " harlydane " <harlydane wrote:>> Hiya,> > I went to the doc this week for the first time in at least 3 years. I went to get my foot x-rayed after twisting my ankle real bad and fearing I buggered up a previous injury. The doc spent maybe 6 seconds looking at my foot, declared it a sprain and then spent 10 minutes trying to get me to get a tetanus shot and make an appointment for a pap test. I refused both. I used to get yearly exams before I quit going to the doctor and now I'm wondering if it's really important to do so. Does anyone have any input on this? I don't know if pap tests are truly helpful or not.> > Thanks > Krys> -- People are like stained glass windows: they sparkle and shine when the sun is out, but when the darkness sets in their true beauty is revealed only if there is a light within. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2006 Report Share Posted June 12, 2006 I too had precancerouse cells and had to have in office procedure done, where they cut a piece and did some stuff, but i was 1 step away from cancer ifd I didn't have it done.. I see no reason but no insurence to not get a pap. a mamograham os another subject. Please get your pap done. Stuck - Karly Gray herbal remedies Sunday, June 11, 2006 12:18 AM [lists] Re: Herbal Remedies - Pap tests Oh boy do I! lol...Seriously! I went 7 years without a pap, had one, then was told I needed to see a specialist as I had High grade pre cancerous cervical dysplasia, which comes from HPV a virus that I think comes to us in different way's, but still can kill you how ever you got it. I was set up for surgery after having biopsies, and had it done, and a dnc just to be sure, and was in and out in a matter of 4 1/2 hours or so! And Medicaid covers it! Please any woman, and you, please always have a yearly pap done...I was told years ago that once you hit a certain age and a certain amount of good results that you can skip a few...NOT! I am proof! Please take care and God be with you Karly =0) On 6/10/06, harlydane @msn.com <harlydane wrote: Hiya, I went to the doc this week for the first time in at least 3 years. I went to get my foot x-rayed after twisting my ankle real bad and fearing I buggered up a previous injury. The doc spent maybe 6 seconds looking at my foot, declared it a sprain and then spent 10 minutes trying to get me to get a tetanus shot and make an appointment for a pap test. I refused both. I used to get yearly exams before I quit going to the doctor and now I'm wondering if it's really important to do so. Does anyone have any input on this? I don't know if pap tests are truly helpful or not. Thanks Krys -- People are like stained glass windows: they sparkle and shine when the sun is out, but when the darkness sets in their true beauty is revealed only if there is a light within. avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 0623-0, 06/05/2006Tested on: 6/11/2006 9:14:30 PMavast! - copyright © 2000-2006 ALWIL Software. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2006 Report Share Posted June 12, 2006 Wow, I am surprised to see this type of advice here! Guys, please do some research. Break free from the brainwashing we've all been subjected to. Every single person has cancer (abnormal cells) several times in their life. You just don't know about it most of the time. The body deals with it quickly and quietly. If we're over-toxic then we cannot deal with it and it grows. What should we do then? Detoxify the body! Get it cleaned up so it can do its job. Personally I haven't had a pap in over 13 years, and I don't plan to have one ever again. Same thing with mammograms. I have uterine and breast fibroids and no amount of testing helped them. Taking care of myself the way I should is what's helping. Our bodies are perfectly capable of healing themselves if we provide the tools. Finding out what those tools are is more essential than any of the millions of tests doctors tell us we *need*. ::climbing down from my soapbox:: -Raine Karly Gray wrote: <snip> Please any woman, and you, please always have a yearly pap done...I was told years ago that once you hit a certain age and a certain amount of good results that you can skip a few...NOT! I am proof! Please take care and God be with you Karly =0) .. -- Join our club and swap paperback books for FREE - PaperBackSwap.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2006 Report Share Posted June 12, 2006 I had precancerous cells on a PAP test many years ago, had a colscopy(sp) to scrape off the cells. The doctor hurt and I requested the nurse who was SO much better. That happened to be a male doctor and I now use a female doctor, but some of them are horrors too. After the precancer cells (STD); I had a checkup every six months for a few years. Now I have been putting off my PAP and better get it soon for peace of mind, not worried that the precancer has come back, but what is this about a new test for cervical cancer, a vaccine or something. It's not reliable on its own or so my general doctor told me. PAP's are something that I think we should endure. I sneak in baby oil with me. They always ask for a urine sample first. k.Karly Gray <karly.gray wrote: I'm sorry to hear about your view on this...there is no way for you to know whether or not the cells in your uterus/vagina/cervix have changed,,,,how to take care of cancer? cut it out! WOULD you knowingly leave that inside you to fester your life away? And of coarse it is an invasion to every responsible woman. And sex causes more problems for a woman than a pap does. I truly hope you re think your feelings about paps for your own sake, and the others whom read your post. No matter how healthy, or how you eat, no one is immune to this. Karly On 6/11/06, westonvj <westonvj wrote: Krys,I consider Pap Smears an invasion of the body. They can cause irritation which can lead to future problems.If there was something wrong how would you take care of it? Naturally or cutting away at your body? Why not develop a healthy lifestyle (if you haven't already)that would deter any problems? Vickiherbal remedies , "harlydane " <harlydane wrote:>> Hiya,> > I went to the doc this week for the first time in at least 3 years. I went to get my foot x-rayed after twisting my ankle real bad and fearing I buggered up a previous injury. The doc spent maybe 6 seconds looking at my foot, declared it a sprain and then spent 10 minutes trying to get me to get a tetanus shot and make an appointment for a pap test. I refused both. I used to get yearly exams before I quit going to the doctor and now I'm wondering if it's really important to do so. Does anyone have any input on this? I don't know if pap tests are truly helpful or not.> > Thanks> Krys>-- People are like stained glass windows: they sparkle and shine when the sun is out, but when the darkness sets in their true beauty is revealed only if there is a light within. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2006 Report Share Posted June 12, 2006 **I would also be interested in this** peace robyn any herbal preventative used to help prevent cervical cancer and or to > fight > off any viruses such as HPV? > > Important topic....... > > > Thanks! > Gina > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2006 Report Share Posted June 12, 2006 I believe that pap tests are important. Even if you perfer to use natual healing methods, its important to exactly what you are dealing with. And since vaginal cancer is cause by a virus(hpv) being tested is the only way to find out. Baeednah herbal remedies , " harlydane " <harlydane wrote: > > Hiya, > > I went to the doc this week for the first time in at least 3 years. I went to get my foot x-rayed after twisting my ankle real bad and fearing I buggered up a previous injury. The doc spent maybe 6 seconds looking at my foot, declared it a sprain and then spent 10 minutes trying to get me to get a tetanus shot and make an appointment for a pap test. I refused both. I used to get yearly exams before I quit going to the doctor and now I'm wondering if it's really important to do so. Does anyone have any input on this? I don't know if pap tests are truly helpful or not. > > Thanks > Krys > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2006 Report Share Posted June 12, 2006 herbal remedies , Rachel Mason <groups wrote: > > > > Are they beneficial? As some here said, yes. I think it all depends on > your consciousness and state of health. The medical world is based on > fear - so have all these invasive tests just to make sure everything is > ok. But if we are mentally and physically clean, continually cleanse, > use appropriate supplements, and all that, then they may not be > necessary. We know our body, we live it and with a strong immune system > under those conditions, should be able to identify or heal things before > they get that bad. > > Rachel > > I'd hate for everyone to get heated over this, but it seems like some are. And understandably so. The word Cancer has become a tool for fear in all too many Americans. I think it really does depend on your stand in life and the way you choose to live it over all. If you subject yourself to a way of life enviting to cancer and other terrible infections, then yes, maybe a pap is good for you. I was dragged through the mud with my doctors, while they scared the crap out of me for months, after being told I " MAY " have pre-cancerous cells, then I was told I may have endometriosis, then I was told yes, maybe it was cancer, then again something else... I was finally convinced to get surgery, which would have removed my ovaries, but then I lost my insurance and was suddenly " ok " . Kinda spells it out, doesn't it? Was it about me, really, or about $$$? I refer to that phase in my life as the " curse of the insurance card " . That was when I chose to become responsible for my own body and walk away from the medicos completely. Around the same time, my grandfather was diagnosed with cancer (had been 100% healthy his whole life but they " caught it " in a check up) and a year later died because of all the " Treatment " , along with a list of other diseases and conditions he never had before his " diagnosis " .. So as much as the cancer and pre-cancer survivors have good reason to tell you to go, and I DO fully understand why, I too have good reason to tell you not to. SOOO... I think the answer truly only lies in KNOWING yourself, your body and WHAT IS RIGHT FOR YOU. I have every respect for those LUCKY enough to get through a diagnosis with the medicos. But I do personally believe all we have done is open a floodgate for the people making the $$$ off all of it and allowed fear to herd us like cows into a slaughterhouse. (Ok... that was harsh... lol... but it's true!) I have my opinions, and obviously many others do as well. I think it has got to be what you know in your heart to be right. There are just as many success stories from people who did NOT go to the Doctors, rather, took responsibility for their own lives and made necessary strides and changes. Generally, if you feel you need to get yearly pap's, then maybe you should. All I would suggest is that you really assess what they may try to tell you, versus what you KNOW about your own body. Anyway, lol that's my two cents I guess... I just hate seeing people fight... you're all beautiful!!! Love and Blessings, ~Raaven Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2006 Report Share Posted June 12, 2006 --- Hi Krys, I think the important thing is family history, are you on birth control (I am assuming not), and if you have been promiscuous. These are usually the " lifestyle choices " that make having a yearly pap smear more important. There is no " right " answer to this question since there are " horror " stories (cancer, pre-cancerous), and " safe " stories. You need to do what you think is best. Years ago, when I was young, I took birth control pills (before I signed off of them for life), and I had a pap twice a year with never any problems. I had a pap in 1983 before I found I was pregnant for my son, one in 1995, and one in 2000. Haven't had one since. I will probably go soon to have one. I have never had any " off " tests. I know this isn't all sure-fired, 100% " safe " , but I do not like to be " invaded " on a yearly basis. I will have one in the next year, though, since I have waited quite some time. It doesn't matter what others have had done, go by your own conscience. Good Luck! Lori In herbal remedies , " harlydane " <harlydane wrote: > > Hiya, > > I went to the doc this week for the first time in at least 3 years. I went to get my foot x-rayed after twisting my ankle real bad and fearing I buggered up a previous injury. The doc spent maybe 6 seconds looking at my foot, declared it a sprain and then spent 10 minutes trying to get me to get a tetanus shot and make an appointment for a pap test. I refused both. I used to get yearly exams before I quit going to the doctor and now I'm wondering if it's really important to do so. Does anyone have any input on this? I don't know if pap tests are truly helpful or not. > > Thanks > Krys > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2006 Report Share Posted June 12, 2006 I do not agree with radiation, chemotherapy or surgical removal of cancer. There are natural ways to deal with cancer as with every other health problem. Do some research. Everyone is entitled to her own opinion. I gave mine. You do not need to agree with it. Just leave it inside of you? Of course not. There are environments cancer thrives in and there are environments it cannot live in. Get rid of it naturally so it will not come back elsewhere in your body and get your body healthy so it can fight illnesses like it is supposed to. I'm saying educate yourself! I have seen too many friends and relatives die at the hands of doctors over this issue to ever back down from my stance. I have seen the doctor's route. I have seen the natural route. I know what choice I would make. Vicki herbal remedies , " Karly Gray " <karly.gray wrote: > > I'm sorry to hear about your view on this...there is no way for you to know > whether or not the cells in your uterus/vagina/cervix have changed,,,,how to > take care of cancer? cut it out! WOULD you knowingly leave that inside you > to fester your life away? And of coarse it is an invasion to every > responsible woman. And sex causes more problems for a woman than a pap does. > I truly hope you re think your feelings about paps for your own sake, and > the others whom read your post. No matter how healthy, or how you eat, no > one is immune to this. > Karly > > > On 6/11/06, westonvj <westonvj wrote: > > > > Krys, > > > > I consider Pap Smears an invasion of the body. They can cause > > irritation which can lead to future problems. > > > > If there was something wrong how would you take care of it? > > Naturally or cutting away at your body? Why not develop a healthy > > lifestyle (if you haven't already)that would deter any problems? > > > > Vicki > > > > herbal remedies <herbal remedies% 40>, > > " harlydane " > > <harlydane@> wrote: > > > > > > Hiya, > > > > > > I went to the doc this week for the first time in at least 3 > > years. I went to get my foot x-rayed after twisting my ankle real > > bad and fearing I buggered up a previous injury. The doc spent maybe > > 6 seconds looking at my foot, declared it a sprain and then spent 10 > > minutes trying to get me to get a tetanus shot and make an > > appointment for a pap test. I refused both. I used to get yearly > > exams before I quit going to the doctor and now I'm wondering if it's > > really important to do so. Does anyone have any input on this? I > > don't know if pap tests are truly helpful or not. > > > > > > Thanks > > > Krys > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > People are like stained glass windows: they sparkle and shine when the sun > is out, but when the darkness sets in their true beauty is revealed only if > there is a light within. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2006 Report Share Posted June 12, 2006 I agree. Baeednah In herbal remedies , " Bonnie \ " Sam\ " Garrett " <bgarrett32 wrote: > > As a cancer survivor I would have to strongly disagree. I got lucky - I > found that small lump in my neck. I had 2 needle biopsies and was told I > would need surgery to be able to know if was benign. Pretty invasive I'd > say. But I went for it. Good thing I did. I was diagnosed with a very > aggressive cancer - Large B Cell Lymphoma - Stage 4 and was given about > 3 months to live. I used every kind of treatment available to help me > beat it - natural and otherwise. You never know what you'll do until > it's you that's facing certain death. > > I consider myself lucky that I had a sign - the lump. Cervical cancer > does not usually give any signs and it is very hard to beat! So go for > the irritation. Ok, I give, maybe that little scrape they do on you > causes a little irritation - but, I still say better to be alive. > > Just One Who Survived - > Bonnie " Sam " Garrett > > westonvj wrote: > > > > Krys, > > > > I consider Pap Smears an invasion of the body. They can cause > > irritation which can lead to future problems. > > > > If there was something wrong how would you take care of it? > > Naturally or cutting away at your body? Why not develop a healthy > > lifestyle (if you haven't already)that would deter any problems? > > > > Vicki > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2006 Report Share Posted June 13, 2006 The old pap- " smears " did have false positive results. The new thin prep pap tests actually centifuge the cells and can be tested for HPV which is the virus causing warts. The thin prep has given women better results and with less further testing. With the old papsmears women would have to undergo a colposocpy as the next step in a positive result papsmear for abnormal cells. With the thin prep women are not having to do that next step unless the rare chance the hpv testing off the papsmear comes back positive. We still have to be responsible for our own health. Darla Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2006 Report Share Posted June 13, 2006 My motivation is this, which the moderators might kick me out for? But My Late Mother would have only lived for 2 months with her brain cancer, and that was WITh rad & Chemo ( Dr's words ) Well I wont take cant for an answer so I DID go naturally AND rad & chemo and she lived happy and healthy, never even caught a cold for 1 1/2 years. Her brain tumor was the size of a grapefruit, pressing on her motor skills...If we left it she would have died in those 2 and 1/2 month time limit. I used both methods together and met with a very happy medium, as well as the rest of my family. I didn't expect this to become controversy! Karly On 6/12/06, westonvj <westonvj wrote: I do not agree with radiation, chemotherapy or surgical removal of cancer. There are natural ways to deal with cancer as with every other health problem. Do some research. Everyone is entitled to her own opinion. I gave mine. You do not need to agree with it. Just leave it inside of you? Of course not. There are environments cancer thrives in and there are environments it cannot live in. Get rid of it naturally so it will not come back elsewhere in your body and get your body healthy so it can fight illnesses like it is supposed to. I'm saying educate yourself! I have seen too many friends and relatives die at the hands of doctors over this issue to ever back down from my stance. I have seen the doctor's route. I have seen the natural route. I know what choice I would make.Vicki herbal remedies , " Karly Gray " <karly.gray wrote:>> I'm sorry to hear about your view on this...there is no way for you to know> whether or not the cells in your uterus/vagina/cervix have changed,,,,how to> take care of cancer? cut it out! WOULD you knowingly leave that inside you> to fester your life away? And of coarse it is an invasion to every> responsible woman. And sex causes more problems for a woman than a pap does.> I truly hope you re think your feelings about paps for your own sake, and> the others whom read your post. No matter how healthy, or how you eat, no> one is immune to this.> Karly > > > On 6/11/06, westonvj <westonvj wrote:> >> > Krys,> >> > I consider Pap Smears an invasion of the body. They can cause> > irritation which can lead to future problems. > >> > If there was something wrong how would you take care of it?> > Naturally or cutting away at your body? Why not develop a healthy> > lifestyle (if you haven't already)that would deter any problems? > >> > Vicki> >> > herbal remedies <herbal remedies%40>,> > " harlydane " > > <harlydane@> wrote:> > >> > > Hiya,> > > > > > I went to the doc this week for the first time in at least 3> > years. I went to get my foot x-rayed after twisting my ankle real> > bad and fearing I buggered up a previous injury. The doc spent maybe> > 6 seconds looking at my foot, declared it a sprain and then spent 10> > minutes trying to get me to get a tetanus shot and make an> > appointment for a pap test. I refused both. I used to get yearly > > exams before I quit going to the doctor and now I'm wondering if it's> > really important to do so. Does anyone have any input on this? I> > don't know if pap tests are truly helpful or not. > > >> > > Thanks> > > Krys> > >> >> > > >> > > > -- > > People are like stained glass windows: they sparkle and shine when the sun> is out, but when the darkness sets in their true beauty is revealed only if> there is a light within.> -- People are like stained glass windows: they sparkle and shine when the sun is out, but when the darkness sets in their true beauty is revealed only if there is a light within. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2006 Report Share Posted June 13, 2006 GROUP RULES: 9. This list is Naturopathic and deals with all natural remedies and Nutrition only. Allopathic medical treatment and psychiatric treatment are extremely destructive to the health of human beings and promotion or discussion of such is OT (off topic). However, how to handle the destructive results of such treatment using natural methods is definitely ON topic. ******************************* I copied this from the files, and was wondering if anyone else thinks the topic of pap tests has become pretty off topic? It's just an inquiry, but it seems to me that the purpose for this message board is to AVOID the medico hype? Even when dealing with the taboo " C " word? I completely respect other's opinions when it comes to these matters, but things seem to be getting hot... and I just want to see peace and love again! We're all here because we believe, unanimously (Supposed to be anyway) that natural remedies and nutrition is the best way to live! Isn't that why Doc has offered us this safe haven to live, love, and learn? I absolutely love this Group. And I understand everyone has their opinions... but SOME of these opinions seem to now be invading the general essence of this place. Not to mention breaching the guidelines we were all told about, and agreed to, when we stumbled on this blessing of a Group Can we maybe cool it down a little? I don't mean to offend, but I feel I have been offended, since I am fighting every day for a better world where we can all live in our differences, EDUCATE ourselves by UNlearning what we have had branded into our brains, and not have to succumb to the way things are now... this including CANCER, doctors, etc. Remember the Einstein quote: " The only thing that interferes with my learning is my education " ... I think that those who have their firm convictions on believing in the medico's... whether OB's or otherwise... is fine, for you, if you choose to maintain that one way of thinking without even hearing or learning any other way... but that's not why we're here. Initially I did not think this would carry on for so long, but now it's getting a bit rough. And not taking responsibility for your own body, no matter HOW you do so... is a cop out, and there IS a better way. Period. You just have to be willing to learn and change. I don't think telling someone to " Cop out " by going to " traditional doctors " and believing what they tell you without educating your SELF is good advice, at least not HERE. I apologize if this was inapropriate... I was just hoping maybe we could get back to sharing and learning from one another? ) You are ALL beautiful! And I am SO thankful for this place! Lets get back to the good stuff ) Love and Blessings ALWAYS! ~Raaven Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2006 Report Share Posted June 13, 2006 Preface: There is a " Treatment " for Cervical Cancer and that is: Folic-Acid also known as Folate also called Folican. All you have to know is this: *Folic-Acid is another word for FOLIAGE ACID. All this means is: WHEREEVER YOU SEE FOLIAGE OR GREEN LEAVES YOU SEE FOLIC-ACID KNOWN AS FOLATE OR FOLICAN. The best answer for Cervical Abnormalites is *Folic-Acid pills; either prescription or over the counter. That and begin to Juice Greens every day and eats lots of Salads. Hi: First on Pap Smears: I understand people's concern about *Pap- Smears*. I thouhgt maybe the histoy of Pap-Smears may help some. It was Dr. Papallomius(sp.?) who " invented the Pap-smear " ;here is why: Dr. Papllomuius's Daughter was diagnosed with *Cervical Cancer* AFTER it was too far gone to get into remission. So Dr. Pap...said to himself: " If I had only diagnosed my daughter's Cervical condition earlier my daughter might be alive today. With that in mind; Dr. Papallomuus " invented the PapSmear " which is a non-invasive test that detects abnormal or cancer cells BEFORE they " spread " . Not only that but Cervival Cancer is the most easily " cured " . So if there was ever a way to beat Cervical Cancer; catching it early would be the best bet. Doctors and Scientists belive that Cervical Cancer is caused by the *Papillomius Virus* which is correleated with *Cervical problems " . (The Papillomius Virus was named after Dr. Papillomius). My opinion is: *FOLIC ACID* CAN PREVENT WARTS OF THE PAPALLOMIUS. The body continutely rebuilds itself all the cells are constantly rebuilding replensishing so the whole KEY to Natural Healing is: *GIVE YOUR BODY THE NUTRIENTS IT NEEDS TO RE-BUILD Health;like Folic*. herbal remedies , " Robyn " <rreardon2001 wrote: > > > **I would also be interested in this** > > peace > robyn > > any herbal preventative used to help prevent cervical cancer and or > to > > fight > > off any viruses such as HPV? > > > > Important topic....... > > > > > > Thanks! > > Gina > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2006 Report Share Posted June 13, 2006 *Folate called Folic Acid or Folican has been proven to reverse this. " herbal remedies , PiscesAngel7 wrote: > > Well since this topic has come up.....does anyone know what can be done > or any herbal preventative used to help prevent cervical cancer and or to > fight > off any viruses such as HPV? > > Important topic....... > > > Thanks! > Gina > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 13, 2006 Report Share Posted June 13, 2006 Hi, I don't have an issue with being tested by the medical world to know exactly what you are dealing then treating it naturally. However, often enough, especially recently with me, much of what we are sick with does not fit into the medical paradigm and testing doesn't show much. I didn't know vaginal cancer was caused by a virus, its not surprising though. There are some excellent researchers, such as Hulda Clark and Royal Rife, that showed that each disease is related to a very specific virus, bacteria, parasite, and such - and have devised treatment protocols based on that. I think the bigger question, as was posted earlier, is what suppressed the immune system so that it was not able to handle it before it got to the point of a disease. That is exactly what the immune system is designed to do. So yes, there can be testing to regularly see is something is wrong, but also by supplements, herbs, nutrition, cleansing we can keep our immune system in stronger condition to ideally prevent it from happening. And I believe Robyn asked about herbal preventatives for cancer. In natural medicine there are many treatments for cancer - and using some of these regularly may prevent it, depending on the rest of our mind/body health. Things such as taheebo tea, the original essiac tea, and chaparrel tea are used to treat cancer, and regularly drinking and cleansing with these herbs can maintain and nourish the body. There are also many natural antivirals - such as colloidal silver which was discussed. Rachel baybae360 wrote: I believe that pap tests are important. Even if you perfer to use natual healing methods, its important to exactly what you are dealing with. And since vaginal cancer is cause by a virus(hpv) being tested is the only way to find out. Baeednah herbal remedies , "harlydane " <harlydane wrote: Hiya, I went to the doc this week for the first time in at least 3 years. I went to get my foot x-rayed after twisting my ankle real bad and fearing I buggered up a previous injury. The doc spent maybe 6 seconds looking at my foot, declared it a sprain and then spent 10 minutes trying to get me to get a tetanus shot and make an appointment for a pap test. I refused both. I used to get yearly exams before I quit going to the doctor and now I'm wondering if it's really important to do so. Does anyone have any input on this? I don't know if pap tests are truly helpful or not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 23, 2006 Report Share Posted June 23, 2006 Dear Raaven, Not inappropriate at all. Your points are very valid and the reason for my latest wrist slapping. This list IS about Natural Methods. I appreciate your concern and attempt to keep things on topic. In Health and Love, Doc Doc Shillington727-447-5282Doc - E J Lanier herbal remedies Tuesday, June 13, 2006 1:53 AM Herbal Remedies - Re: Pap tests GROUP RULES:9. This list is Naturopathic and deals with all natural remedies andNutrition only. Allopathic medical treatment and psychiatrictreatment are extremely destructive to the health of human beings andpromotion or discussion of such is OT (off topic). However, how tohandle the destructive results of such treatment using natural methodsis definitely ON topic.*******************************I copied this from the files, and was wondering if anyone else thinksthe topic of pap tests has become pretty off topic? It's just aninquiry, but it seems to me that the purpose for this message board isto AVOID the medico hype? Even when dealing with the taboo "C" word?I completely respect other's opinions when it comes to these matters,but things seem to be getting hot... and I just want to see peace andlove again! We're all here because we believe, unanimously (Supposedto be anyway) that natural remedies and nutrition is the best way tolive! Isn't that why Doc has offered us this safe haven to live, love,and learn?I absolutely love this Group. And I understand everyone has theiropinions... but SOME of these opinions seem to now be invading thegeneral essence of this place. Not to mention breaching the guidelineswe were all told about, and agreed to, when we stumbled on thisblessing of a Group Can we maybe cool it down a little? I don'tmean to offend, but I feel I have been offended, since I am fightingevery day for a better world where we can all live in our differences,EDUCATE ourselves by UNlearning what we have had branded into ourbrains, and not have to succumb to the way things are now... thisincluding CANCER, doctors, etc. Remember the Einstein quote: "The onlything that interferes with my learning is my education"... I thinkthat those who have their firm convictions on believing in themedico's... whether OB's or otherwise... is fine, for you, if youchoose to maintain that one way of thinking without even hearing orlearning any other way... but that's not why we're here. Initially Idid not think this would carry on for so long, but now it's getting abit rough. And not taking responsibility for your own body, no matterHOW you do so... is a cop out, and there IS a better way. Period. Youjust have to be willing to learn and change. I don't think tellingsomeone to "Cop out" by going to "traditional doctors" and believingwhat they tell you without educating your SELF is good advice, atleast not HERE.I apologize if this was inapropriate... I was just hoping maybe wecould get back to sharing and learning from one another? ) You areALL beautiful! And I am SO thankful for this place! Lets get back tothe good stuff )Love and Blessings ALWAYS!~Raaven Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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