Guest guest Posted September 22, 2009 Report Share Posted September 22, 2009 what method can one use to supplement testosterone outside of the dr./prescription arena? are we completely dependant on big pharma? - bestsurprise2002 MCS-Canada Monday, September 21, 2009 6:57 PM << >> Testosterone Replacement Therapy There are 3 Graphs here - I don't know if they will show up or not. Testosterone Replacement Therapy _http://www.hormoneandlongevitycenter.com/testoteronetreatments1/_ (http://www.hormoneandlongevitycenter.com/testoteronetreatments1/) _Treatment with Testosterone_ (http://www.hormoneandlongevitycenter.com/testoteronetreatments1#1) _Scientific Review of Testosterone Replacement in Men_ (http://www.hormoneandlongevitycenter.com/testoteronetreatments1#2) _Testosterone Prevents Mental Decline in Aging Males_ (http://www.hormoneandlongevitycenter.com/testoteronetreatments1#3) _Testosterone and Women_ (http://www.hormoneandlongevitycenter.com/testoteronetreatments1#4) Treatment With Testosterone Many men suffer needlessly because their testosterone is never checked or the wrong test is ordered. Men as young as 25 to 30 years in age are presenting with low levels of testosterone, which was not the case 10 or 20 years ago. This is possibly a result of environmental toxins, plastics, pesticides, pollutants and/or xenoestrogens in the environment. A large percentage of men who have been told their testosterone is fine actually have low testosterone. Often the total amount of testosterone is read as adequate, but the amount of usable testosterone is low. Men with low testosterone may have subtle to profound symptoms, ranging form poor motivation, anxiety, weight gain, and loss sense of well being to profound depression, and loss of sex drive. Men with low testosterone cannot only enjoy an improved quality of life with testosterone supplementation, but it will also provide a significant decreased risk for heart disease, cancer, diabetes and death. Low testosterone in men can result in: 1. Fatigue, tiredness or loss of energy 2. Depression, low or negative mood 3. Irritability, anger or bad temper 4. Anxiety or nervousness 5. Loss of memory or concentration 6. Relationship problem with partner 7. Loss of sex drive or libido 8. Erection problems during sex 9. Loss of morning erections 10. Decreased intensity of orgasms 11. Backache, joint pains or stiffness 12. Heavy drinking, past or present 13. Loss of fitness 14. Feeling over-stressed 15. Loss of drive and competitive edge 16. Stiffness and pain in muscles and joints 17. Falling level of fitness 18. Decreased effectiveness of workouts Testosterone replacement and optimization can result in: 1. Decreased aging of heart and circulation 2. Decreased risk of heart attacks and strokes 3. Decreased risk of diabetes 4. Decreased body Fat 5. Increased lean muscle 6. Increased blood flow to brain 7. Decreased brain aging 8. Improved memory and intelligence 9. Decreased risk of dementia and Alzheimer's 10. Increased sense of well being 11. Improved Sexual function 12. Decreased Osteoporosis 13. Decreased risk of prostate cancer Average testosterone levels in older vs. younger men Low testosterone linked to long-term risk of death in relatively healthy adult men ENDO 2007: The Endocrine Society Research Summaries Book June 5, 2007 This study is another major report linking deficiency of testosterone in relatively healthy men with increased death from all causes, over time. “We have followed these men for an average of 18 years and our study strongly suggests that the association between testosterone levels and death is not simply due to some acute illness, " said Gail Laughlin, Ph.D., assistant professor and study author. In the study, Laughlin and co-workers looked at death, no matter the cause, in nearly 800 men, ages 50 to 91 years, who were living in California since 1970. At the beginning of the 1980s, almost one-third of these men had suboptimal blood testosterone levels for men their age. The group with low testosterone levels had a 33 percent greater risk of death during the next 18 years than the men with higher testosterone. This difference was not explained by smoking, drinking, physical activity level or pre-existing diseases (such as diabetes or heart disease). Men with low testosterone were more likely to have elevated markers of inflammation, called inflammatory cytokines, which contribute to many diseases. Men with low testosterone were also shown to be three times more likely to have a waist measurement more than 40 inches, low HDL (good) cholesterol, high triglycerides (levels of fat in the blood), high blood pressure or high blood glucose (blood sugar). This study is further confirmation of previous studies that demonstrate an increased risk of morbidity and mortality with low or low normal testosterone: · In a study of male veterans, low serum testosterone levels were shown to increase the risk of death in the next few years by 88%, according to a report in the Archives of Internal Medicine. · In an earlier study, Dr. Molly M. Shores and colleagues from the University of Washington in Seattle and showed an increase in 6-month mortality among men with low testosterone levels. · The another study published in a 2006 edition of the Archives of Internal Medicine involved 858 male veterans who were at least 40 years of age, prostate cancer-free, and had repeated testosterone levels taken between 1994 and 1999 and were followed for an average of 4.3 years. It was found that men with low or low normal testosterone had a 23-75% increased risk of dying. Scientific Review of Testosterone Replacement in Men 1. Bringing testosterone form low normal to high normal lowers the risk for heart disease by 60% The Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism. Aug 2002. Vol. 87, No. 8 3632-3639 2. 2 year study of low dose testosterone on libido in men (Clin Endocrinol Metab 1997) 3. Dihydrotestoerone reduces prostate size Ann Med 1993 Jun;25(3):235-41 3. Testosterone Improves Sexual Function, Mood, Muscle Strength, and Body Composition Parameters in Hypogonadal Men Improved a. Sexual function b. mood c. muscle strength, leg > arm d. Subjects did not exercise e. Improved lean body mass and fat mass f. Correlated with serum level of T obtained Study showed that these benefits were not obtained with testosterone patches (Testosterone patches are too weak for most patients) 5. Testosterone supplementation increased working memory in men Janowsky J et al. Sex steroids modify working memory J Cogn Neurosci 2000 May;12(3):407-14 6. Testosterone replacement reduces the risk of Alzheimer’s Disease by preventing the production of beta amyloid precursor protein. Gouras GK et al. Proc Natl Acad Sci U S A 2000 Feb 1;97(3):1202-5 7. Testosterone levels correlates with and testosterone replacement improves cognitive function Hormones and Behavior 1998; 33(2):85-94. J Clin Endocrinol Metab 1999 Oct;84(10):3681-5 8. Testosterone replacement is more effective than antidepressants for depression Am J Psychiatry 157:1884, November 2000 Androl 1992 Jul-Aug;13(4):297-304 9. Low testosterone associated with fatigue and testosterone replacement increases sense of well being Many patients are able to stop Antidepressants after being treated with testosterone Geriatr Psychiatry Neurol 2000 Summer;13(2):93-101 10. The lower the active testosterone level, the higher the risk for heart attack. Circulation 1999 Apr 6;99(13):1666-70 - Acute anti-ischemic effect of testosterone in men with coronary artery disease. - Testosterone improves exercise induced ST depression - Dilates coronary arteries “Short-term administration of testosterone induces a beneficial effect on exercise induced myocardial ischemia in men with coronary artery disease. This effect may be related to a direct coronary-relaxing effect.†11. Men with heart disease have significantly lower - Total testosterone - Free testosterone - Bioavailability testosterone - Men with coronary artery disease have lower levels of androgens than men with normal coronary angiograms. Eur Heart J 2000 Jun;21(11):890-4 12. Low testosterone increases the risk of heart disease and more optimal levels decrease the risk of heart disease. Int J Obes Relat Metab Disord, July 2003 13. Low testosterone levels increase the risk of prostate cancer and testosterone replacement is expected to reduce risk of prostate cancer. Dihydrotestosterone and testosterone levels in men screened for prostate cancer: a study of a randomized population. Br J Urol 1996 Mar;77(3):433-40 - DHT is lower in prostate cancer patients - DHT is lower in prostate cancer patients - DHT is lower in more advanced tumors - PSA and DHT have an inverse relationship (high DHT lower PSA) 14. Testosterone replacement is better than exercise to reduce body fat, gain lean muscle and improve strength and effects of testosterone are improved with exercise (Synergistic effect) J Endocrinol 2001 Jul;170(1):27-38 15. Testosterone replacement reduces risk of diabetes - Testosterone replacement decreases insulin resistance - Low levels of testosterone play a role in the development of type 2 diabetes - Elevated insulin decreases testosterone levels resulting in a vicious cycle of worsening insulin resistance and reduced testosterone levels - Testosterone replacement breaks this cycle - Low testosterone is associated with Syndrome X, hypertension, type 2 diabetes and heart disease. Journal of American Epidemiology 1996 Int J Obes Relat Metab Disord 2000 Mayo Clin Proc 2000 Jan;75 Suppl:S61-4 Diabetes Care. 2000 Apr;23(4):490-4 Metabolism 1997 May;46(5):526-9 16. Dihydrotestoterone with NSAIDS kills prostate cancer cells Cancer Chemother Pharmacol, 2002; 49(3):179-86 17. Using HCG to boost testosterone levels results in significant improvement in prostate enlargement and symptoms Journal of Urology 2003 18. Testosterone replacement decreases fat and increases lean muscle. Bhasin et al. journal of Endocrinology and Metabolism, 2003 19. Testosterone replacement speeds healing and result s in shortens hospital stays. Journal Am Geriatr Soc, 2002 20. Pesticides reduce testosterone production in men Biology and Reproduction, 2003 Testosterone Prevents Mental Decline in Aging Males Longitudinal Assessment of Serum Free Testosterone Concentration Predicts Memory Performance and Cognitive Status in Elderly Men The Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism. Vol. 87, No. 11 5001-5007 Abstract: Circulating testosterone (T) levels have behavioral and neurological effects in both human and nonhuman species. Both T concentrations and neuropsychological function decrease substantially with age in men. The purpose of this prospective, longitudinal study was to investigate the relationships between age-associated decreases in endogenous serum T (testosterone) and free T concentrations and declines in neuropsychological performance. Participants were volunteers from the Baltimore Longitudinal Study of Aging, aged 50–91 yr at baseline T assessment. Four hundred seven men were followed for an average of 10 yr, with assessments of multiple cognitive domains and contemporaneous determination of serum total T, SHBG, and a free T index (FTI). We administered neuropsychological tests of verbal and visual memory, mental status, visuomotor scanning and attention, verbal knowledge/language, visuospatial ability, and depressive symptomatology. Higher free testosterone was associated with better scores on visual and verbal memory, visuospatial functioning, and visuomotor scanning and a reduced rate of longitudinal decline in visual memory. Men classified as hypogonadal (low testosterone) had significantly lower scores on measures of memory and visuospatial performance and a faster rate of decline in visual memory. These results suggest a possible beneficial relationship between circulating free Testosterone concentrations and specific domains of cognitive performance in older men. Testosterone and Women At Last A True Aphrodisiac Is Discovered Archives of General Psychiatry/Vol. 57 Researchers in the Netherlands studied genital arousal in women after the administration of testosterone and reported their findings in the February 2000 issue of the Archives of General Psychiatry. Sublingual testosterone was shown to trigger sexual desires, fantasies and lust along with an increase in vaginal arousal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2009 Report Share Posted September 23, 2009 DHEA is often effective in restoring testosterone ;so can L -arginine . Siberian ginseng has been used for centuries for this purpose. --- On Tue, 9/22/09, dave bermes <dlbermes wrote: dave bermes <dlbermes Re: << >> Testosterone Replacement Therapy Tuesday, September 22, 2009, 2:34 AM  what method can one use to supplement testosterone outside of the dr./prescription arena? are we completely dependant on big pharma? - bestsurprise2002@ MCS-Canada@gro ups.com Monday, September 21, 2009 6:57 PM << Alternative- Medicine- Forum >> Testosterone Replacement Therapy There are 3 Graphs here - I don't know if they will show up or not. Testosterone Replacement Therapy _http://www.hormonea ndlongevitycente r.com/testoteron etreatments1/ _ (http://www.hormonea ndlongevitycente r.com/testoteron etreatments1/) _Treatment with Testosterone_ (http://www.hormonea ndlongevitycente r.com/testoteron etreatments1# 1) _Scientific Review of Testosterone Replacement in Men_ (http://www.hormonea ndlongevitycente r.com/testoteron etreatments1# 2) _Testosterone Prevents Mental Decline in Aging Males_ (http://www.hormonea ndlongevitycente r.com/testoteron etreatments1# 3) _Testosterone and Women_ (http://www.hormonea ndlongevitycente r.com/testoteron etreatments1# 4) Treatment With Testosterone Many men suffer needlessly because their testosterone is never checked or the wrong test is ordered. Men as young as 25 to 30 years in age are presenting with low levels of testosterone, which was not the case 10 or 20 years ago. This is possibly a result of environmental toxins, plastics, pesticides, pollutants and/or xenoestrogens in the environment. A large percentage of men who have been told their testosterone is fine actually have low testosterone. Often the total amount of testosterone is read as adequate, but the amount of usable testosterone is low. Men with low testosterone may have subtle to profound symptoms, ranging form poor motivation, anxiety, weight gain, and loss sense of well being to profound depression, and loss of sex drive. Men with low testosterone cannot only enjoy an improved quality of life with testosterone supplementation, but it will also provide a significant decreased risk for heart disease, cancer, diabetes and death. Low testosterone in men can result in: 1. Fatigue, tiredness or loss of energy 2. Depression, low or negative mood 3. Irritability, anger or bad temper 4. Anxiety or nervousness 5. Loss of memory or concentration 6. Relationship problem with partner 7. Loss of sex drive or libido 8. Erection problems during sex 9. Loss of morning erections 10. Decreased intensity of orgasms 11. Backache, joint pains or stiffness 12. Heavy drinking, past or present 13. Loss of fitness 14. Feeling over-stressed 15. Loss of drive and competitive edge 16. Stiffness and pain in muscles and joints 17. Falling level of fitness 18. Decreased effectiveness of workouts Testosterone replacement and optimization can result in: 1. Decreased aging of heart and circulation 2. Decreased risk of heart attacks and strokes 3. Decreased risk of diabetes 4. Decreased body Fat 5. Increased lean muscle 6. Increased blood flow to brain 7. Decreased brain aging 8. Improved memory and intelligence 9. Decreased risk of dementia and Alzheimer's 10. Increased sense of well being 11. Improved Sexual function 12. Decreased Osteoporosis 13. Decreased risk of prostate cancer Average testosterone levels in older vs. younger men Low testosterone linked to long-term risk of death in relatively healthy adult men ENDO 2007: The Endocrine Society Research Summaries Book June 5, 2007 This study is another major report linking deficiency of testosterone in relatively healthy men with increased death from all causes, over time. “We have followed these men for an average of 18 years and our study strongly suggests that the association between testosterone levels and death is not simply due to some acute illness, " said Gail Laughlin, Ph.D., assistant professor and study author. In the study, Laughlin and co-workers looked at death, no matter the cause, in nearly 800 men, ages 50 to 91 years, who were living in California since 1970. At the beginning of the 1980s, almost one-third of these men had suboptimal blood testosterone levels for men their age. The group with low testosterone levels had a 33 percent greater risk of death during the next 18 years than the men with higher testosterone. This difference was not explained by smoking, drinking, physical activity level or pre-existing diseases (such as diabetes or heart disease). Men with low testosterone were more likely to have elevated markers of inflammation, called inflammatory cytokines, which contribute to many diseases. Men with low testosterone were also shown to be three times more likely to have a waist measurement more than 40 inches, low HDL (good) cholesterol, high triglycerides (levels of fat in the blood), high blood pressure or high blood glucose (blood sugar). This study is further confirmation of previous studies that demonstrate an increased risk of morbidity and mortality with low or low normal testosterone: · In a study of male veterans, low serum testosterone levels were shown to increase the risk of death in the next few years by 88%, according to a report in the Archives of Internal Medicine. · In an earlier study, Dr. Molly M. Shores and colleagues from the University of Washington in Seattle and showed an increase in 6-month mortality among men with low testosterone levels. · The another study published in a 2006 edition of the Archives of Internal Medicine involved 858 male veterans who were at least 40 years of age, prostate cancer-free, and had repeated testosterone levels taken between 1994 and 1999 and were followed for an average of 4.3 years. It was found that men with low or low normal testosterone had a 23-75% increased risk of dying. Scientific Review of Testosterone Replacement in Men 1. Bringing testosterone form low normal to high normal lowers the risk for heart disease by 60% The Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism. Aug 2002. Vol. 87, No. 8 3632-3639 2. 2 year study of low dose testosterone on libido in men (Clin Endocrinol Metab 1997) 3. Dihydrotestoerone reduces prostate size Ann Med 1993 Jun;25(3):235- 41 3. Testosterone Improves Sexual Function, Mood, Muscle Strength, and Body Composition Parameters in Hypogonadal Men Improved a. Sexual function b. mood c. muscle strength, leg > arm d. Subjects did not exercise e. Improved lean body mass and fat mass f. Correlated with serum level of T obtained Study showed that these benefits were not obtained with testosterone patches (Testosterone patches are too weak for most patients) 5. Testosterone supplementation increased working memory in men Janowsky J et al. Sex steroids modify working memory J Cogn Neurosci 2000 May;12(3):407- 14 6. Testosterone replacement reduces the risk of Alzheimer’s Disease by preventing the production of beta amyloid precursor protein. Gouras GK et al. Proc Natl Acad Sci U S A 2000 Feb 1;97(3):1202- 5 7. Testosterone levels correlates with and testosterone replacement improves cognitive function Hormones and Behavior 1998; 33(2):85-94. J Clin Endocrinol Metab 1999 Oct;84(10):3681- 5 8. Testosterone replacement is more effective than antidepressants for depression Am J Psychiatry 157:1884, November 2000 Androl 1992 Jul-Aug;13(4) :297-304 9. Low testosterone associated with fatigue and testosterone replacement increases sense of well being Many patients are able to stop Antidepressants after being treated with testosterone Geriatr Psychiatry Neurol 2000 Summer;13(2) :93-101 10. The lower the active testosterone level, the higher the risk for heart attack. Circulation 1999 Apr 6;99(13):1666- 70 - Acute anti-ischemic effect of testosterone in men with coronary artery disease. - Testosterone improves exercise induced ST depression - Dilates coronary arteries “Short-term administration of testosterone induces a beneficial effect on exercise induced myocardial ischemia in men with coronary artery disease. This effect may be related to a direct coronary-relaxing effect.†11. Men with heart disease have significantly lower - Total testosterone - Free testosterone - Bioavailability testosterone - Men with coronary artery disease have lower levels of androgens than men with normal coronary angiograms. Eur Heart J 2000 Jun;21(11):890- 4 12. Low testosterone increases the risk of heart disease and more optimal levels decrease the risk of heart disease. Int J Obes Relat Metab Disord, July 2003 13. Low testosterone levels increase the risk of prostate cancer and testosterone replacement is expected to reduce risk of prostate cancer. Dihydrotestosterone and testosterone levels in men screened for prostate cancer: a study of a randomized population. Br J Urol 1996 Mar;77(3):433- 40 - DHT is lower in prostate cancer patients - DHT is lower in prostate cancer patients - DHT is lower in more advanced tumors - PSA and DHT have an inverse relationship (high DHT lower PSA) 14. Testosterone replacement is better than exercise to reduce body fat, gain lean muscle and improve strength and effects of testosterone are improved with exercise (Synergistic effect) J Endocrinol 2001 Jul;170(1):27- 38 15. Testosterone replacement reduces risk of diabetes - Testosterone replacement decreases insulin resistance - Low levels of testosterone play a role in the development of type 2 diabetes - Elevated insulin decreases testosterone levels resulting in a vicious cycle of worsening insulin resistance and reduced testosterone levels - Testosterone replacement breaks this cycle - Low testosterone is associated with Syndrome X, hypertension, type 2 diabetes and heart disease. Journal of American Epidemiology 1996 Int J Obes Relat Metab Disord 2000 Mayo Clin Proc 2000 Jan;75 Suppl:S61-4 Diabetes Care. 2000 Apr;23(4):490- 4 Metabolism 1997 May;46(5):526- 9 16. Dihydrotestoterone with NSAIDS kills prostate cancer cells Cancer Chemother Pharmacol, 2002; 49(3):179-86 17. Using HCG to boost testosterone levels results in significant improvement in prostate enlargement and symptoms Journal of Urology 2003 18. Testosterone replacement decreases fat and increases lean muscle. Bhasin et al. journal of Endocrinology and Metabolism, 2003 19. Testosterone replacement speeds healing and result s in shortens hospital stays. Journal Am Geriatr Soc, 2002 20. Pesticides reduce testosterone production in men Biology and Reproduction, 2003 Testosterone Prevents Mental Decline in Aging Males Longitudinal Assessment of Serum Free Testosterone Concentration Predicts Memory Performance and Cognitive Status in Elderly Men The Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism. Vol. 87, No. 11 5001-5007 Abstract: Circulating testosterone (T) levels have behavioral and neurological effects in both human and nonhuman species. Both T concentrations and neuropsychological function decrease substantially with age in men. The purpose of this prospective, longitudinal study was to investigate the relationships between age-associated decreases in endogenous serum T (testosterone) and free T concentrations and declines in neuropsychological performance. Participants were volunteers from the Baltimore Longitudinal Study of Aging, aged 50–91 yr at baseline T assessment. Four hundred seven men were followed for an average of 10 yr, with assessments of multiple cognitive domains and contemporaneous determination of serum total T, SHBG, and a free T index (FTI). We administered neuropsychological tests of verbal and visual memory, mental status, visuomotor scanning and attention, verbal knowledge/language, visuospatial ability, and depressive symptomatology. Higher free testosterone was associated with better scores on visual and verbal memory, visuospatial functioning, and visuomotor scanning and a reduced rate of longitudinal decline in visual memory. Men classified as hypogonadal (low testosterone) had significantly lower scores on measures of memory and visuospatial performance and a faster rate of decline in visual memory. These results suggest a possible beneficial relationship between circulating free Testosterone concentrations and specific domains of cognitive performance in older men. Testosterone and Women At Last A True Aphrodisiac Is Discovered Archives of General Psychiatry/Vol. 57 Researchers in the Netherlands studied genital arousal in women after the administration of testosterone and reported their findings in the February 2000 issue of the Archives of General Psychiatry. Sublingual testosterone was shown to trigger sexual desires, fantasies and lust along with an increase in vaginal arousal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 23, 2009 Report Share Posted September 23, 2009 Hi Dave, I asked your question on the coconut oil information list. I got back 2 replies. Alobar Maca root powder works wonders but it should not be taken constantly, you take it until you feel the effect, then back off until you need it again. Dr. William Wong used to sell it but went to an extract or something like that and I have not used that so don't know about it. The brand I use now is not sold openly on the internet and is only sold by my contact for customers of his other products. Nevertheless, one should be able to find high quality organic maca root powder on the web. The stuff tastes awful and sticks to the roof of your mouth. I take it on an empty stomach before a meal. Apple juice mitigates the taste better than any other that I've tried. It works good to mix it in a shaker but you lose a bit that way and since it's not cheap I go ahead and take a spoonful by mouth and chase with apple juice, mixing in my mouth well before swallowing so as to get as little as possible on the roof of my mouth. I have read that raw (Unpasteurized!) almonds are good for this too but have not done it yet. There are farms in California that sell them direct as the law allows. DaddyBob I decided to supply the hormone building blocks by taking pregnenolone instead of testosterone, MACA, DHEA or tribulus. It's wonderful. There is also an organic, dried MACA extract for interested parties: http://www.therootofthematter.ca/ ...and the site has other herbs too! Duncan On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 1:34 AM, dave bermes <dlbermes wrote: > what method can one use to supplement testosterone outside of the dr./prescription arena? are we completely dependant on big pharma? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2009 Report Share Posted September 24, 2009 Thank you kindly for your help. I will check this out right away. I just don't go to doctors any more. Too many bad experiences. dave - Alobar Wednesday, September 23, 2009 5:40 PM Re: << >> Testosterone Replacement Therapy Hi Dave, I asked your question on the coconut oil information list. I got back 2 replies. Alobar Maca root powder works wonders but it should not be taken constantly, you take it until you feel the effect, then back off until you need it again. Dr. William Wong used to sell it but went to an extract or something like that and I have not used that so don't know about it. The brand I use now is not sold openly on the internet and is only sold by my contact for customers of his other products. Nevertheless, one should be able to find high quality organic maca root powder on the web. The stuff tastes awful and sticks to the roof of your mouth. I take it on an empty stomach before a meal. Apple juice mitigates the taste better than any other that I've tried. It works good to mix it in a shaker but you lose a bit that way and since it's not cheap I go ahead and take a spoonful by mouth and chase with apple juice, mixing in my mouth well before swallowing so as to get as little as possible on the roof of my mouth. I have read that raw (Unpasteurized!) almonds are good for this too but have not done it yet. There are farms in California that sell them direct as the law allows. DaddyBob I decided to supply the hormone building blocks by taking pregnenolone instead of testosterone, MACA, DHEA or tribulus. It's wonderful. There is also an organic, dried MACA extract for interested parties: http://www.therootofthematter.ca/ ..and the site has other herbs too! Duncan On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 1:34 AM, dave bermes <dlbermes wrote: > what method can one use to supplement testosterone outside of the dr./prescription arena? are we completely dependant on big pharma? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2009 Report Share Posted September 25, 2009 Here are some additional replies from coconut oil list. Alobar I bought this Organic Maca on ebay, hopefully it is high quality. It tastes good to me, kind of peanut buttery. Price is right too. 1/2 lb. will last a long time. http://tinyurl.com/y9xrrjd Keith +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Alobar, other than SomaLife, which increases HGH, http://members.shaw.ca/SomaLife-gHP/ I use pregenenolone to increase the sex hormones testosterone estrogen AND progesterone, as well as DHEA, the whole exercise being within my body's natural control mechanisms. By that I mean that the body makes a hormonal balance based on finding raw material readily available. Besides jacking up hormones, no memory/cognitive enhancer approaches the effectiveness of pregnenolone. Maca would be my first choice as strictly a testosterone increaser but it could never win over the broader effects and safety of pregnenolone. Duncan +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Dr. Ray Sahelian says " You MUST read this page regarding Pregnenolone side effects BEFORE you buy Pregnenolone supplements. " Duncan may feel differently or disagree with the cautions but just putting them out there for safety's sake. http://www.raysahelian.com/pregnenolone.html Keith +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ Keith, I read Sahelian's page, whatever research, and several doctor's opinions before starting on pregnenolone. I respect his " erring on the side of caution " but I note that pregnenolone doses today of 10 times what he prefers are very common, and side effects have been proven to be very rare even in people who take the larger therapeutic doses. My parents are doing 150 mg/day pregnenolone, following the research; I use 25 mg, and my wife uses 50 mg. I can assure you it's been a very good supplement for all of us, it has no side effects in our experience, and we'll keep on it. By way of an explanation, I've been dabbling in anti-aging since 1981 or 1982. I'm less interested in maintaining the low-normal hormonal values for someone of my advancing age and more interested in having a twenty-something's higher-normal values to match my youthful HGH growth hormone spike that SomaLife gHP gives me. I want all of my hormonal values to be within the range of someone in his prime, not in the range of a nearly beat middle-aged old man. all good, Duncan On Wed, Sep 23, 2009 at 5:40 PM, Alobar <alobar wrote: > Hi Dave, > I asked your question on the coconut oil information list. I got > back 2 replies. > > Alobar > > Maca root powder works wonders but it should not be taken constantly, you > take it until you feel the effect, then back off until you need it again. > Dr. William Wong used to sell it but went to an extract or something like > that and I have not used that so don't know about it. The brand I use now is > not sold openly on the internet and is only sold by my contact for customers > of his other products. Nevertheless, one should be able to find high quality > organic maca root powder on the web. > > The stuff tastes awful and sticks to the roof of your mouth. I take it on an > empty stomach before a meal. Apple juice mitigates the taste better than any > other that I've tried. It works good to mix it in a shaker but you lose a > bit that way and since it's not cheap I go ahead and take a spoonful by > mouth and chase with apple juice, mixing in my mouth well before swallowing > so as to get as little as possible on the roof of my mouth. > > I have read that raw (Unpasteurized!) almonds are good for this too but have > not done it yet. There are farms in California that sell them direct as the > law allows. > > DaddyBob > > I decided to supply the hormone building blocks by taking > pregnenolone instead of testosterone, MACA, DHEA or tribulus. It's > wonderful. > > There is also an organic, dried MACA extract for interested parties: > http://www.therootofthematter.ca/ > > ..and the site has other herbs too! > > Duncan > > On Tue, Sep 22, 2009 at 1:34 AM, dave bermes <dlbermes wrote: >> what method can one use to supplement testosterone outside of the dr./prescription arena? are we completely dependant on big pharma? >> > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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