Guest guest Posted August 6, 2009 Report Share Posted August 6, 2009 Yessir. Preventative medicine is the best way, but I would rather have all the options in a catastrophe. In the mid eighties, you could provide group health insurance for a family of four for $200.00 a month. Co-payments for office visits and prescriptions were $5.00. The plan paid 90% after a 500.00 deductible if you went out of plan. Now, prescriptions are a $50.00 co-pay. The same insurance costs $1100.00 per month. Something is wrong with this picture. Nothing has gone up like health insurance has. Did you know that every hospital bills a different amount for each service depending on the negotiated rate with each health insurance carrier? The fee for each service can vary widely depending on the carrier. Why does it cost one amount for one person and a different amount for someone else? Services cost what they cost. When I buy a loaf of bread at the store, that same loaf of bread costs the same no matter who is buying it. Not so with healthcare though. Each hospital has to hire hundreds of billing clerks because it's so complicated. , Alobar <Alobar wrote: > > Back in the 1950s, my family's doctor made house calls for $5. When > I had my appendix out in 1955, the total cost (doctor, > anesthesiologist, 1 week hospital stay, blood) the total cost was > about what my father made in less than 2 weeks. Low cost of > healthcare means people can afford it. > > Alternative medicine is where I invest my money (vitamins, healthy > food, etc.) But all the alternative supplements in the world would > not help if I were hit by a car. > > Alobar > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2009 Report Share Posted August 7, 2009 Do you have a reference for that? Because in my experience not every cancer is caused by yeast. And before you say anything Candida is yeast. ---- Jim Clark 8/6/2009 9:58:54 PM << >> Re: Obamacare Cancer is the result of an overrun of candida... as Dr. Simoncini says, it is candida. You avoid cancer by keeping your biological terrain in balance. We probably all have some form of Candida, but most of us keep it under control with a healthy lifestyle. If you don't recognize this, then I will be paying for YOUR cancer rather than you for mine. Re: Obamacare </message/57539 _ylc=X3oDMTJydDZvc2RjBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzQxOTgyNTEEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDYw DE0BG1zZ0lkAzU3NTM5BHNlYwNkbXNnBHNsawN2bXNnBHN0aW1lAzEyNDk0ODM4OTY-> Posted by: " Jane " claimmaster <claimmaster?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Obamacare> claimmaster <http://profiles./claimmaster> Tue Aug 4, 2009 9:00 pm (PDT) Then when you get cancer, I will be forced to pay for it. I think we should all be in this together. Jane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 7, 2009 Report Share Posted August 7, 2009 Actually, it depends on the type of insurance. I had HMO Blue and when I first got it, it would not pay for chiropractic care. Now, even though it will pay for chiropractic car, you have to go through a list. HMO Blue has an A plan and a B plan. Guess which plan City of Houston employees get? By the way, you are right about insurance companies. They already ration health care. But they do more than that. I had a condition that was misdiagnosed four times. All during that time,the doctors kept telling me that it was all in my head. Because they couldn't figure out what the problem was, they put it back on me. I ended up going to an osteopath and paying out of my own pocket. I had plan B. A religious minister that I knew supposedly had HMO Blue as well, only he had plan A. He had a similar problem to mine. When he went to the same clinic, they immediately referred him to the very same doctor I had to go out and find all by myself. I feel very bad for doctors who are unable to present an option that might help because they know that insurance will not pay for it. Regards, Linda Bastida --- On Tue, 8/4/09, Nancie Elizabeth Barnett <deifspirit wrote: Nancie Elizabeth Barnett <deifspirit Re: << >> Re: Obamacare Tuesday, August 4, 2009, 11:56 PM Actually that is NOT correct. Blue shield does pay for alternative treatments, however the cost is much higher. -- -- Jim Clark 8/4/2009 9:00:22 PM Alternative- Medicine- Forum@ s.com << Alternative- Medicine- Forum >> Re: Obamacare Amen. Virtually no one had health insurance before 1960 and everyone was fine with that. They are trying to fix the wrong thing. It is the health care system that is broken. It gives you plenty of drugs, but not solutions. No healthcare insurance plan will pay for preventive medicine. Why not? Because there are no drugs involved. <>Re: Obamacare <http://groups. / group/Alternativ e-Medicine- Forum/message/ 57503 _ylc=X3oDMTJyOWdldG RwBF9TAzk3MzU5Nz E1BGdycElkAzQxOT gyNTEEZ3Jwc3BJZA MxNzA1MDYw DE0BG1zZ0lkAzU3NTAz BHNlYwNkbXNnBHNs awN2bXNnBHN0aW1l AzEyNDkzOTgwNDQ- > Posted by: " Alobar " Alobar (AT) Gmail (DOT) com <Alobar (AT) Gmail (DOT) com?Subject=%20Re% 3A%20Obamacare> wm_alobar <http://profiles. / wm_alobar> Tue Aug 4, 2009 3:10 am (PDT) A mandatory plan I must pay for is one I will refuse. I'd rather buy vitamins and good quality food than be forced to pay for health insurance. Alobar On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 11:58 AM, earthmother1111<pink627 (AT) hotmail (DOT) com <pink627% 40hotmail. com>> wrote: > I, personally, think it should be given a chance. After all, the current healthcare system certainly isn't working. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2009 Report Share Posted August 8, 2009 Amen. Jane you are 100% correct. I am a medical provider and I deal with this everyday at work. That is what I don't get. I bet all of those protesters have plans that limit something and constantly get in between them and their provider. That is what the insurance execs live for to deny, deny deny. Otherwise they don't make money. Nancie ---- Jane 8/7/2009 7:02:19 PM << >> Re: Obamacare This is not true. Many healthcare plans pay for preventive care. Mine does and we have lousy coverage. Many also pay for some form of alternative healthcare, too. And the arguement that the government is going to get between you and your doctor if the Obama plan goes thru is totally false. Anyone who doesn't already know that your insurance stands between you and your doctor consistantly has been living in a cave. I should know. I've worked for the insurance company's for 25 years. Jane > Amen. Virtually no one had health insurance before 1960 and > everyone was fine with that. They are trying to fix the wrong > thing. It is the health care system that is broken. It gives you > plenty of drugs, but not solutions. No healthcare insurance plan > will pay for preventive medicine. Why not? Because there are no > drugs involved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 8, 2009 Report Share Posted August 8, 2009 Hi Jane, Preventive care is often in the eye of the beholder. Doctors can examine a patient one year and not find cancer. Next year, they might find cancer. That is not true prevention, it is simply monitoring. The truth is that we are the ones who can do the most to prevent illness. We can do this by eating the best foods we can, instead of eating what is cheap and convenient. We can exercise. We can drink pure water. We can rest instead of burning the candle at both ends. People on medicare or medicaid would probably be in a better position to say whether a universal health care system would get between you and your doctor. It is my opinion that the HMO's already ration health care. Regards, Linda Bastida --- On Fri, 8/7/09, Jane <claimmaster wrote: Jane <claimmaster << >> Re: Obamacare Friday, August 7, 2009, 5:56 PM This is not true. Many healthcare plans pay for preventive care. Mine does, and we have lousy coverage. Many also pay for some form of alternative healthcare, too. And the arguement that the government is going to get between you and your doctor if the Obama plan goes thru is totally false. Anyone who doesn't already know that your insurance stands between you and your doctor consistantly has been living in a cave. I should know. I've worked for the insurance company's for 25 years. Jane > Amen. Virtually no one had health insurance before 1960 and > everyone was fine with that. They are trying to fix the wrong > thing. It is the health care system that is broken. It gives you > plenty of drugs, but not solutions. No healthcare insurance plan > will pay for preventive medicine. Why not? Because there are no > drugs involved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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