Guest guest Posted July 29, 2009 Report Share Posted July 29, 2009 Here is some of the excerpts of Obama's socialized healthcare program and the page number on which you can find it for yourself.   Page after Page of Reasons to Hate Obamacare   By Alan Caruba Sunday, July 26, 2009    Here are just a few very good reasons to hate Obamacare:  • Page 22: Mandates audits of all employers that self-insure!  • Page 29: Admission: your health care will be rationed!  • Page 30: A government committee will decide what treatments and benefits you get (and, unlike an insurer,  there will be no appeals process)  • Page 42: The “Health Choices Commissioner(another CZAR)†will decide health benefits for you. You will have no choice.  None.  • Page 50: All non-US citizens, illegal or not, will be provided withfree healthcare services.  • Page 58: Every person will be issued a National ID Healthcard.  • Page 59: The federal government will have direct, real-time access to all individual bank accounts for  electronic funds transfer.  • Page 65: Taxpayers will subsidize all union retiree and community organizer health plans (read: SEIU, UAW and  ACORN)  • Page 72: All private healthcare plans must conform to government rules to participate in a Healthcare  Exchange(more bureaucrats).  • Page 84: All private healthcare plans must participate in the Healthcare Exchange (i.e., total government  control of private plans)  • Page 91: Government mandates linguistic infrastructure for services; translation: illegal aliens  • Page 95: The Government will pay ACORN and Americorps to sign up individuals for Government-run Health Care  plan.  • Page 102: Those eligible for Medicaid will be automatically enrolled: you have no choice in the matter.  • Page 124:No company can sue the government for price-fixing. No “judicial review†is permitted against the  government monopoly. Put simply, private insurers will be crushed.  • Page 127: The AMA sold doctors out: the government will set wages.  • Page 145: An employer MUST auto-enroll employees into the government-run public plan. No alternatives.  • Page 126: Employers MUST pay healthcare bills for part-time employees AND their families.  • Page 149: Any employer with a payroll of $400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays an 8% tax  on payroll  • Page 150: Any employer with a payroll of $250K-400K or more, who does not offer the public option, pays a 2  to 6% taxon payroll  • Page 167: Any individual who doesn't have acceptable healthcare (according to the government) will be taxed  2.5%of income.  • Page 170: Any NON-RESIDENT alien is exempt from individual taxes (Americans will pay for them).  • Page 195: Officers and employees of Government Healthcare Bureaucracy will have access to ALL American  financial and personal records.  • Page 203: “The tax imposed under this section shall not be treated as tax.†Yes, it really says that.•   .Page 239: Bill will reduce physician services for Medicaid.Seniors and the poor most affected.† • Page 241: Doctors: no matter what specialty you have, you’ll all be paid the same (thanks, AMA!)  • Page 253: Government sets value of doctors’ time, their professional judgment, etc.  • Page 265: Government mandates and controls productivity for private healthcare industries.  • Page 268: Government regulates rental and purchase of power-driven wheelchairs.  • Page 272: Cancer patients: welcome to the wonderful world of rationing!  • Page 280: Hospitals will bepenalized for what the government deems preventable re-admissions.  • Page 298: Doctors: if you treat a patient during an initial admission that results in a readmission, you will  be penalized by the government.  • Page 317: Doctors: you are now prohibited for owning and investing in healthcare companies!  • Page 318: Prohibition on hospital expansion. Hospitals cannot expand without government approval.  • Page 321: Hospital expansion hinges on“community†input: in other words, yet another payoff for ACORN.  • Page 335: Government mandates establishment of outcome-based measures: i.e., rationing.  • Page 341: Government has authority to disqualify Medicare Advantage Plans, HMOs, etc.  • Page 354: Government will restrict enrollment of SPECIAL NEEDS individuals.  • Page 379: More bureaucracy: Telehealth Advisory Committee (healthcare by phone).  • Page 425: More bureaucracy: Advance Care Planning Consult: Senior Citizens, assisted suicide, euthanasia?  • Page 425: Government willinstruct and consult regardingliving wills, durable powers of attorney, etc.  Mandatory. Appears to lock in estate taxes ahead of time.  • Page 425: Government provides approved list of end-of-life resources, guiding you in death.  • Page 427: Government mandates program that orders end-of-life treatment; government dictates how your life  ends.  • Page 429: Advance Care Planning Consult will be used to dictate treatment as patient’s health deteriorates.  This can include an ORDER for end-of-life plans. An ORDER from the GOVERNMENT.  • Page 430: Government will decide whatlevel of treatments you may have at end-of-life.  • Page 469: Community-based Home Medical Services: more payoffs for ACORN.  • Page 472: Payments to Community-based organizations: more payoffs for ACORN.  • Page 489: Government will cover marriage and family therapy. Governmentintervenes in your marriage.  • Page 494: Government will cover mental health services: defining, creating and rationing those services.  A tip of my hat to my friend, Ben Cerruti, for providing this look at the Obamanation called Obamacare..  Write, email, fax or call your Senators and your Representative and tell them to voteNO! http://www.visi.com/juan/congress/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 30, 2009 Report Share Posted July 30, 2009 I don't know if this is true or not, but it's just a choice. You don't have to take the government program. Private programs will still be as they are. Afterall government runs Medicare and Medicaid now. It's not as if they would be new to health care, and Medicare covers many, many things private insurers won't and keeps costs down. A friend is having cataracts removed. With private insurance it will cost $6k, if he only had medicare, it would cost 1,200.00 but the procedure is the same, from same doctor. Program only adds an option to people not insured at all that end up in hospitals at a very high cost with more advanced illness, or people who choice it over private insurance. , " Ralph Childers, Jr. " <alphome04 wrote: > > Here is some of the excerpts of Obama's socialized healthcare program and the page number on which you can find it for yourself. >  >  > Page after Page of Reasons to Hate Obamacare >  >  By Alan Caruba Sunday, July 26, 2009 >  >  > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2009 Report Share Posted August 3, 2009 I, personally, think it should be given a chance. After all, the current healthcare system certainly isn't working. , " Ralph Childers, Jr. " <alphome04 wrote: > > Here is some of the excerpts of Obama's socialized healthcare program and the page number on which you can find it for yourself. > Â > Â > Page after Page of Reasons to Hate Obamacare > Â > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2009 Report Share Posted August 4, 2009 Astra Zenaca reported a 5%+ increase in earnings just last week in an otherwise down market. How can this be? The vast percentage of their products are relatively ineffective compared to eating well and exercising. They are selling air or even worse, controlled sickness... and the American people can't get enough of it. Yes, health care needs reforming... but not health insurance. Obama has it exactly backwards. Health Care has become a one way high tech nightmare with blinders led by the FDA. Obama wants to fight a war against insurance companies using government know-how... and virtually everyone knows that the government does not know how. This is not where the problem lies, but they are easy targets. Meanwhile, the Republicans want tort reform so that responsibility is taken away from this broken system. Both sides love big government and bloated corporations as they continue to prove that on a daily basis, so why not protect them? As reported last Wednesday in the Wall Street Journal, 70% of the health care money is spent on cancer, heart disease and type II dieabetes. Most of that amount is spent on targeted cancer removal by various means... a condition that can't be successfully removed as long as the systemic problem remains. Our scorch and burn tactic will never " win the war " . Evidence of this has been discovered and ignored hundreds of times in the past as costs continue to increase and people are maimed and killed by the ineffective, high tech instruments of their war. Interestingly, the first chemo was " mustard gas " . Then we have " nuclear " medicine (sound familiar?), but why not just cut it out with a knife in a most barbaric fashion? Interestingly, the human body actually creates cancer cells and those cells are actually a part of them... That is, this is their body's defense system protecting them against a problem , but the " war " is fought against those very cells, not the cause. The remaining part of that 70% of the health care money is spent on maintaining Cardiovascular Systems clogged with unhealthy, unnaturally altered foods and Type II Diabetes... both systemic, life-style related conditions. The war... no, the entire theater of errors.. is really about how to keep people barely moving while the buzzards feed on the living carcass... that is, big pharma picks their pockets. Ron Paul has quietly pointed all of this out. The people who want this reform are generally not doctors. They are money changers and politicians. In fact, doctors are not even allowed to employ systems that they know work, but are not backed by pharma's money. Otherwise, they risk being sued or worse. There is no money in prevention and the population is equally uninterested. The populace wants someone else to do their work for them as they continue business as usual. Until this is recognized, no system of payment will ever work. > </message/57480;_ylc=X3o\ DMTJyaXE4NjY3BF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzQxOTgyNTEEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDYwODE0BG1zZ0l\ kAzU3NDgwBHNlYwNkbXNnBHNsawN2bXNnBHN0aW1lAzEyNDkzNDk2Mzg->Posted by: " John Polifronio " counterpnt <counterpnt?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Obamacare> johnpol5911 <http://profiles./johnpol5911> Mon Aug 3, 2009 6:33 pm (PDT) Holy Christ man! First you describe Hillary and Bill Clinton's effort to reform healthcare as a " ...debacle, " then you proceed to tell us why it could not have been otherwise to any discerning observer. Hillary was given the task to deal with the disaster that is U. S. health care, because of her profound interest and dedication to this problem. Any effort to deal with the " ...insatiable, profiteering, subsidized health care giants, " is a triumph, hardly a debacle. Hillary should have the greatest praise heaped on her for her incredible daring in taking on this daunting task. Obama is benefitting from her first attack on this monster. Hillary crashed through the tightly closed door of our traditional health care disaster. How could she " win " in such an attack? You can't win with any sincere effort to seriously reform healthcare, you can only lay the groundwork for a second assault on the problem.< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2009 Report Share Posted August 4, 2009 Alobar, What would you do if you got a broken leg or were in a bad car accident? You can take umpteen vitamins and it won't help you (that much). GB , Alobar <Alobar wrote: > > A mandatory plan I must pay for is one I will refuse. I'd rather buy > vitamins and good quality food than be forced to pay for health > insurance. > > Alobar > > On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 11:58 AM, earthmother1111<pink627 wrote: > > I, personally, think it should be given a chance. After all, the current healthcare system certainly isn't working. > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2009 Report Share Posted August 4, 2009 Amen. Virtually no one had health insurance before 1960 and everyone was fine with that. They are trying to fix the wrong thing. It is the health care system that is broken. It gives you plenty of drugs, but not solutions. No healthcare insurance plan will pay for preventive medicine. Why not? Because there are no drugs involved. <>Re: Obamacare </message/57503;_ylc=X3o\ DMTJyOWdldGRwBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzQxOTgyNTEEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDYwODE0BG1zZ0l\ kAzU3NTAzBHNlYwNkbXNnBHNsawN2bXNnBHN0aW1lAzEyNDkzOTgwNDQ-> Posted by: " Alobar " Alobar <Alobar?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Obamacare> wm_alobar <http://profiles./wm_alobar> Tue Aug 4, 2009 3:10 am (PDT) A mandatory plan I must pay for is one I will refuse. I'd rather buy vitamins and good quality food than be forced to pay for health insurance. Alobar On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 11:58 AM, earthmother1111<pink627 <pink627%40hotmail.com>> wrote: > I, personally, think it should be given a chance. After all, the current healthcare system certainly isn't working. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 Emergency care and corrective surgery are the two places where mainstream medicine shines. There is no getting around that and they deserve credit for that. If I am broken up from a car accident, no amount of self-healing is going to set my broken leg. However, on the flip side, if I have suddenly discovered a lump on my side, there are far better options than having a " lumpectomy " and follow-up chemo. Re: Obamacare </message/57534;_ylc=X3o\ DMTJycm1xamxnBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzQxOTgyNTEEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDYwODE0BG1zZ0l\ kAzU3NTM0BHNlYwNkbXNnBHNsawN2bXNnBHN0aW1lAzEyNDk0ODM4OTY-> Posted by: " Guru K " greatyoga <greatyoga?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Obamacare> greatyoga <http://profiles./greatyoga> Tue Aug 4, 2009 8:59 pm (PDT) Alobar, What would you do if you got a broken leg or were in a bad car accident? You can take umpteen vitamins and it won't help you (that much). GB <%40>, Alobar <Alobar wrote: > > A mandatory plan I must pay for is one I will refuse. I'd rather buy > vitamins and good quality food than be forced to pay for health > insurance. > > Alobar > > On Mon, Aug 3, 2009 at 11:58 AM, earthmother1111< pink627 wrote: > > I, personally, think it should be given a chance. After all, the current healthcare system certainly isn't working. > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2009 Report Share Posted August 6, 2009 I am not paying for it! Even though I am 67, I have refused Medicare. I don't take any drugs and I don't bother with checkups. Why do I care what allopathic doctors think? If we had any naturopaths here, I probably see them on occasion., but I doubt that any plan would cover their " treatments. " I spend a lot of money staying well and the sicko public benefits from my wellness. Posted by: " Bart Wheeler " befourwheeler <befourwheeler?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Obamacare> befourwheeler <http://profiles./befourwheeler> Tue Aug 4, 2009 9:00 pm (PDT) Your paying for it right now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2009 Report Share Posted August 6, 2009 Cancer is the result of an overrun of candida... as Dr. Simoncini says, it is candida. You avoid cancer by keeping your biological terrain in balance. We probably all have some form of Candida, but most of us keep it under control with a healthy lifestyle. If you don't recognize this, then I will be paying for YOUR cancer rather than you for mine. Re: Obamacare </message/57539;_ylc=X3o\ DMTJydDZvc2RjBF9TAzk3MzU5NzE1BGdycElkAzQxOTgyNTEEZ3Jwc3BJZAMxNzA1MDYwODE0BG1zZ0l\ kAzU3NTM5BHNlYwNkbXNnBHNsawN2bXNnBHN0aW1lAzEyNDk0ODM4OTY-> Posted by: " Jane " claimmaster <claimmaster?Subject=%20Re%3A%20Obamacare> claimmaster <http://profiles./claimmaster> Tue Aug 4, 2009 9:00 pm (PDT) Then when you get cancer, I will be forced to pay for it. I think we should all be in this together. Jane Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2009 Report Share Posted August 6, 2009 , Alobar <Alobar wrote: > > Social security did not go broke. Greedy politicians raided the > social security money to fund other projects. > > Post office works fairly well. > > Alobar > > On Tue, Aug 4, 2009 at 8:41 AM, robyn howell<robynehowell wrote: > > Once you start it, you cant go back. It wont work. Name one thing the goverment has ran successfully. Medicare and social securtiy are broke bad. They helped cause the mortgage crisis. The reason health care is broken is because the goverment already is involved in around 50 percent of it. If you want to finish this country off money wise, just try this health thing and it is over. > > > > >I am afraid they will stop the selling of supplements. If they want to change, why not allow insurance to pay for supplements which could make people healthier and save money in the long run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 6, 2009 Report Share Posted August 6, 2009 I am not against a new healthcare plan or seeing improvements in the existing system. Obama's plan is horrid and must be stopped. This plan wont work and will hurt this nation more than Obama and many others have already done. How many trillions in debt are we now? Seriously, the middle class and wealthy cant support all of the stuff going on now. Things are fixing to crash in on us. The more debt we pile up the worse it will be. We as a nation should have elected lawmakers that actually looked at short term AND long term at the many things they have done in the past. They chose not to and now we are in a mell-of-a hess. We must do damage control at this point. Obama's plan will pile on a huge load of crap upon the people when the people are hurting and broke. What do you expect from someone that was born in Kenya and doesnt give a darn about this country. Yeah, I know he supposedly is an American Citizen. I dont believe that for one second. Everyone should read Atlas Shrugged, listen to Gerald Celente and Peter Schiff on youtube. People are going John Gault and the shrug is fixing to happen. Be prepared and you will be better off. It is all in the book that happens to be fictional. Just alter the timelines and you can see it really is happening. *Dont put your head in the sand. It leaves you in a very vunerable position.* April Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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