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Thanks for your helpful suggestions DaddyBob, I'll give them a try.

 

I've already tried the Pauling-Rath formula, but the Vit. C Foundation may have

something new to tell me about it. I haven't tried using Zinc in as

concentrated a manner, as you describe, but I'll also be including this in my

program.

 

It's gratifying to hear of your success in dealing with angina. Though it gives

me some encouragment, I've been through so many therapies, dietary and

nutritional, medical and alternative, of every conceivable type, that I'd be

shocked if it helped me as well. I've heard about trials being conducted with a

herbal medication, called T-89. It's approved for use in Canada, and a few

European countries, and the results have been very encouraging. I've been

trying to get in on these trials, so far, with no success.

 

best wishes

jp

 

 

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ransley

Sunday, July 19, 2009 2:13 PM

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>I'm mystified. I've suffered from angina for 16 years, and can't seem to

make sense out of Dr. Esselstyn's recommendation, to avoid dairy, meat and

fish, as a method for the reversal of heart disease.<

 

You're living proof that this no dairy, no meat, no fish diet is

foolishness. I largely live on raw milk, grass fed beef and Atlantic

Flounder.

 

I have had angina so crippling that I could barely walk 100 feet. It has

absolutely not one thing to do with not eating- or even eating- those foods.

It is a serious shortage of Vitamin C, bioflavonoids and ZINC!

 

Get the Cardio C (Pauling-Rath formula) from the Vitamin C Foundation and

take it per directions, but don't overdo it because it can cause diarrhea.

 

Get a bottle of George Eby's Cold Cure zinc lozenges and get a mortar and

pestle to grind them to a powder and take 3-4 a day.

 

I completely and totally beat my angina with just those two things but

mostly the zinc.

 

And get some of the above foods to get your strength back. Study Metabolic

Typing and the tenets of Weston A. Price.

 

The heck with all these people that want to turn you into a rabbit.

 

DaddyBob

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Just to be sure, I want to point out that you answered my post ( or it does seem

so at least) and there is a part attributed to me (about being vegan)that was

not written by me. I am not a vegan, but I also think that eating red meat daily

is not good for you. I eat meat about once a week at the most and also I eat

fish, poultry and dairy products on a regular basis.I am not the person who

wrote this:

  " Actually living your life as a vegan is very healthy and there is no reason

to eat meat "

Again, I am NOT THE PERSON WHO WROTE THAT. I don't want this paragraph

attributed to me as it appears to be below.

 

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Jim Clark <huuman60

 

Friday, 24 July, 2009 10:33:14

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First, a couple of questions: How do you get the LCarnitine that you

need without eating meat? Why would anyone avoid fish?

 

Dr. Bruce West claims that he can cure virtually any heart condition by

putting his patents on a Standard Process regimen that includes a

substantial amount of raw organ meats.

 

My personal observation is that vegans tend to just " look sick " . Their

color is poor and they don't seem to thrive. It makes sense when you

consider this: The human race evolved on a mixed diet of herbs, berries,

vegetables.. . and meat when they could get it. Of course, the meat was

all from natural sources and when they really chowed down on a buffalo,

it was grass fed. They had not been given any harmful drugs or

hormones and no one " finished " them with corn.

 

If I had angina and what I was doing did not work, I'd change. We live

in a time when we have virtually all of the information in the world at

out finger tips. There are plenty of dietary options to try that make

sense, but a good place to start is the Weston Price Foundation website.

 

>Actually living your life as a vegan is very healthy and there is no

need to eat meat. You can get enough protein in your diet thru plants

and beans. I am living proof. I am a vegan. Eating meat is a choice and

I choose not to eat any animal flesh especially since I am an animal

right activist.

 

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7/20/2009 9:05:51 PM

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I think just saying 'meat eaters' is sort of misleading because some

people like myself eat meat, but only once a week and then only a little

bit As far as strict vegan goes, that kinda of falls into the category

of 'more is not better', and in this case 'none' is not better. I guess

the bottom line is moderation, or using lots of moderation and portion

control. Just going on the ' all or nothing' virtue is sure to fail.

It's like one candy bar isn't going to cause you to be obese, and a

little meat is not going to cause clogged arteries. For most people they

have a predisposition to develop certain disease processes due to

hereditary factors. Some people argue that it's not hereditary factors

but it's the way that you were

brought up and the food in the household, and that goes back to the

nature vs. nurture argument. My personal belief is that it's 'nature',

not 'nurture , and I do believe that you developed heart and artery

problems due to genetics, not anything you have done unless you were

eating steak every day year after year. Then at that point you would

have been over the 'moderation threshold.

 

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Thursday, 16 July, 2009 7:25:02

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I'm mystified. I've suffered from angina for 16 years, and can't seem to

make sense out of Dr. Esselstyn's recommendation, to avoid dairy, meat

and fish, as a method for the reversal of heart disease. After my

diagnosis, 16

years ago, I declined surgery, and shortly thereafter, went on a strict

Ornish style diet. I stayed on this diet, religiously, for 4 years. I

assume that 4 years would be enough to obtain some relief from heart

disease. But, in fact, I had, virtually, crippling angina, 16 years

ago, and, after 4 years of obsessively avoiding dairy, meat and fish, on

the Ornish diet, I did not see an iota of reduction in my angina. My

latest encounter with my cardiologists, reveal that I'm now a candidate

for a quadruple bypass, further proof, that those 4 strictly vegetarian

years, had zero effect on my

progressing arteriosclerosis.

 

It cannot be that avoiding dairy, fish and meat are a sure method for

preventing heart disease, otherwise all meat eaters would have heart disease

 

jp<

 

 

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