Guest guest Posted July 12, 2009 Report Share Posted July 12, 2009 _The Most Powerful Health Recommendation of Dr. Andrew Weil_ (http://articles.mercola.com/redirect/view.aspx?Email=fernwoods (AT) aol (DOT) com & ReturnUR\ L=http://a rticles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2009/07/07/The-Most-Powerful-Heal th-Recommendation-of-Dr-Andrew-Weil.aspx) Dr. Weil promotes this as the single most important physical intervention for health. _Make yourself heart attack proof | The Real Food Channel_ (http://www.therealfoodchannel.com/page/25.html) _http://www.therealfoodchannel.com/page/25.html_ (http://www.therealfoodchannel.com/page/25.html) Caldwell Esselstyn MD, chief of surgery at the Cleveland Clinic, discusses his 18-year study whereby he reversed severe heart disease in every patient in his program -- who had all been sent home to die by their cardiologists. Dr. Esselstyn shows you how by changing your diet you can prevent and reverse heart disease. A low-fat plant-based (vegetarian) diet is the key. If you eat no fish, meat , dairy, or oils you will not have heart disease. **************An Excellent Credit Score is 750. See Yours in Just 2 Easy Steps! (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100126575x1222377098x1201454399/aol?redir=http://\ www.freecreditreport.com/pm/default.aspx?sc=668072 & hmpgID=62 & bcd=Jul yExcfooterNO62) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 14, 2009 Report Share Posted July 14, 2009 This is mainstream baloney IMHO. I know that the vegans love these conclusions along with them. The mechanics are well studied, but the cause and effects just do not fly. Weil is a mainstream doctor posing as a naturopath. _The Most Powerful Health Recommendation of Dr. Andrew Weil_ (http://articles.mercola.com/redirect/view.aspx?Email=fernwoods (AT) aol (DOT) com & ReturnUR\ L=http://a <http://articles.mercola.com/redirect/view.aspx?Email=fernwoods (AT) aol (DOT) com & ReturnUR\ L=http://a> rticles.mercola. com/sites/articles/archive/2009/07/07/The-Most-Powerful-Heal th-Recommendation-of-Dr-Andrew-Weil.aspx) Dr. Weil promotes this as the single most important physical intervention for health. _Make yourself heart attack proof | The Real Food Channel_ (http://www.therealfoodchannel.com/page/25.html <http://www.therealfoodchannel.com/page/25.html>) _http://www.therealfoodchannel.com/page/25.html_ <http://www.therealfoodchannel.com/page/25.html_> (http://www.therealfoodchannel.com/page/25.html <http://www.therealfoodchannel.com/page/25.html>) Caldwell Esselstyn MD, chief of surgery at the Cleveland Clinic, discusses his 18-year study whereby he reversed severe heart disease in every patient in his program -- who had all been sent home to die by their cardiologists. Dr. Esselstyn shows you how by changing your diet you can prevent and reverse heart disease. A low-fat plant-based (vegetarian) diet is the key. If you eat no fish, meat , dairy, or oils you will not have heart disease. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2009 Report Share Posted July 16, 2009 Before making any claims pro or con on this study, I would like to see the data used. I do however know that to a person, vegans that I have helped in the past have been anemic and had sallow complections. Along with that, there are many reasons to remember that moderation is the key, not abstention.... zeke allen, ND , Jim Clark <huuman60 wrote: > > This is mainstream baloney IMHO. I know that the vegans love these > conclusions along with them. The mechanics are well studied, but the > cause and effects just do not fly. Weil is a mainstream doctor posing as > a naturopath. > > _The Most Powerful Health Recommendation of Dr. Andrew Weil_ > (http://articles.mercola.com/redirect/view.aspx?Email=fernwoods & ReturnURL=ht\ tp://a > <http://articles.mercola.com/redirect/view.aspx?Email=fernwoods & ReturnURL=ht\ tp://a> > rticles.mercola. > com/sites/articles/archive/2009/07/07/The-Most-Powerful-Heal > th-Recommendation-of-Dr-Andrew-Weil.aspx) > Dr. Weil promotes this as the single most important physical intervention > for health. > > _Make yourself heart attack proof | The Real Food Channel_ > (http://www.therealfoodchannel.com/page/25.html > <http://www.therealfoodchannel.com/page/25.html>) > _http://www.therealfoodchannel.com/page/25.html_ > <http://www.therealfoodchannel.com/page/25.html_> > (http://www.therealfoodchannel.com/page/25.html > <http://www.therealfoodchannel.com/page/25.html>) > > > Caldwell Esselstyn MD, chief of surgery at the Cleveland Clinic, discusses > his 18-year study whereby he reversed severe heart disease in every > patient in his program -- who had all been sent home to die by their > cardiologists. > > Dr. Esselstyn shows you how by changing your diet you can prevent and > reverse heart disease. A low-fat plant-based (vegetarian) diet is the > key. If > you eat no fish, meat , dairy, or oils you will not have heart disease. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2009 Report Share Posted July 19, 2009 >I'm mystified. I've suffered from angina for 16 years, and can't seem to make sense out of Dr. Esselstyn's recommendation, to avoid dairy, meat and fish, as a method for the reversal of heart disease.< You're living proof that this no dairy, no meat, no fish diet is foolishness. I largely live on raw milk, grass fed beef and Atlantic Flounder. I have had angina so crippling that I could barely walk 100 feet. It has absolutely not one thing to do with not eating- or even eating- those foods. It is a serious shortage of Vitamin C, bioflavonoids and ZINC! Get the Cardio C (Pauling-Rath formula) from the Vitamin C Foundation and take it per directions, but don't overdo it because it can cause diarrhea. Get a bottle of George Eby's Cold Cure zinc lozenges and get a mortar and pestle to grind them to a powder and take 3-4 a day. I completely and totally beat my angina with just those two things but mostly the zinc. And get some of the above foods to get your strength back. Study Metabolic Typing and the tenets of Weston A. Price. The heck with all these people that want to turn you into a rabbit. DaddyBob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2009 Report Share Posted July 24, 2009 First, a couple of questions: How do you get the LCarnitine that you need without eating meat? Why would anyone avoid fish? Dr. Bruce West claims that he can cure virtually any heart condition by putting his patents on a Standard Process regimen that includes a substantial amount of raw organ meats. My personal observation is that vegans tend to just " look sick " . Their color is poor and they don't seem to thrive. It makes sense when you consider this: The human race evolved on a mixed diet of herbs, berries, vegetables... and meat when they could get it. Of course, the meat was all from natural sources and when they really chowed down on a buffalo, it was grass fed. They had not been given any harmful drugs or hormones and no one " finished " them with corn. If I had angina and what I was doing did not work, I'd change. We live in a time when we have virtually all of the information in the world at out finger tips. There are plenty of dietary options to try that make sense, but a good place to start is the Weston Price Foundation website. >Actually living your life as a vegan is very healthy and there is no need to eat meat. You can get enough protein in your diet thru plants and beans. I am living proof. I am a vegan. Eating meat is a choice and I choose not to eat any animal flesh especially since I am an animal right activist. -- lynnzy 7/20/2009 9:05:51 PM <%40> Re: << >> Make yourself heart attack proof I think just saying 'meat eaters' is sort of misleading because some people like myself eat meat, but only once a week and then only a little bit As far as strict vegan goes, that kinda of falls into the category of 'more is not better', and in this case 'none' is not better. I guess the bottom line is moderation, or using lots of moderation and portion control. Just going on the ' all or nothing' virtue is sure to fail. It's like one candy bar isn't going to cause you to be obese, and a little meat is not going to cause clogged arteries. For most people they have a predisposition to develop certain disease processes due to hereditary factors. Some people argue that it's not hereditary factors but it's the way that you were brought up and the food in the household, and that goes back to the nature vs. nurture argument. My personal belief is that it's 'nature', not 'nurture , and I do believe that you developed heart and artery problems due to genetics, not anything you have done unless you were eating steak every day year after year. Then at that point you would have been over the 'moderation threshold. ________________________________ John Polifronio <counterpnt <counterpnt%40earthlink.net>> <%40> Thursday, 16 July, 2009 7:25:02 Re: << >> Make yourself heart attack proof I'm mystified. I've suffered from angina for 16 years, and can't seem to make sense out of Dr. Esselstyn's recommendation, to avoid dairy, meat and fish, as a method for the reversal of heart disease. After my diagnosis, 16 years ago, I declined surgery, and shortly thereafter, went on a strict Ornish style diet. I stayed on this diet, religiously, for 4 years. I assume that 4 years would be enough to obtain some relief from heart disease. But, in fact, I had, virtually, crippling angina, 16 years ago, and, after 4 years of obsessively avoiding dairy, meat and fish, on the Ornish diet, I did not see an iota of reduction in my angina. My latest encounter with my cardiologists, reveal that I'm now a candidate for a quadruple bypass, further proof, that those 4 strictly vegetarian years, had zero effect on my progressing arteriosclerosis. It cannot be that avoiding dairy, fish and meat are a sure method for preventing heart disease, otherwise all meat eaters would have heart disease jp< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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