New Here, I have a question regarding Fibromyalgia

[Guest guest]

Hey folks, hope everyone is having a great day!

 

My name is Maggie and I'm 31. The chronic pain and associated symptoms of

Fibromyalgia have made my life miserable. I was placed in " Pain Management

Therapy " to help my symptoms but they only gave me heavier doses of narcotic

medications and they all make my very sick, even with an anti-nausea medication

(not to mention I hate the narcotic side effect). My insurance doesn't cover any

of the FDA approved medications and they are very expensive. I'm hoping to find

an alternative way to combat chronic pain. I have a TENS unit but it just

doesn't cover enough area at once to be effective.

 

Any suggestions? Any ideas?

 

Thanks so much for your time!

Maggie

[Guest guest]

Dear Maggie,

 

The information below shows the futility of using pain drugs to eliminate the

pain of fibromyalgia. The answer is to take systemic enzymes, such as Bragg's

Braggzyme (120 Caps). Ask for it at you local health food store.

 

John from Israel

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Fibromyalgia and its Ischemic Pain

By: William ND, PhD, Member World Sports Medicine Hall of Fame

 

To most physicians the pain of Fibromyalgia Syndrome is a mystery. Its

unrelenting and debilitating pain is often relegated to being of psychosomatic

origin due to the fact that it does not decrease with the use of NSAID's,

opiates or psychotropics. In the present mindset of medicine if these

medications do not relieve the pain then it must be all in the patients mind! If

this is so, than the pain of an MI (heart attack) must also be all in the

patients mind.

 

We know that for 3 days following a heart attack the patient will have angina,

oft-times severe. We also know that for post MI pain, medicine does not normally

administer pain killers. Why? Because the pain of a heart attack is the pain of

ischemia (the lack of oxygen or Adenosine Tri Phosphate for the cells to

breathe). Ischemic pain we know can only be relieved by restoring either proper

O2 or ATP levels to the involved tissues.

 

Let's use a simple example we've all experienced. When you were a child you

likely at some time put rubber bands or string around your wrist and cut the

blood supply off to your hand. At first the hand went numb. Then while turning

an interesting shade of blue or purple, it began to throb. The more you moved

your fingers and contracted the muscles the more the hand hurt. The longer the

time the circulation was occluded from the area the harder the hand hurt. At

that same moment in time, if you mainlined heroin that hand would still have

hurt despite the fact that the strong opiate was swimming round your system and

brain killing all other pain. Why? Pain meds have no effect on relieving the

pain of ischemia!

 

OK, so ischemic pain can't be relieved by pain killers or anti-depressants, so

how does this relate to Fibromyalgia. Easy, in FMS we have a build up of fibrin

(the fibro of Fibromyalgia) through and across striated muscle around the body.

There is also the growth of fibrin in the micro circulation essentially plugging

these tiny blood vessels in the effected areas. The combo of decreased blood

supply, with the strangulating effect of the fibrin on muscle tissue, (remember

what fibrin can do to strangulate intestines after abdominal surgery), creates

the environment of ischemia. This is also why when these patients are taken

through bouts of aerobic exercise or high intensity resistance exercise their

pain greatly increases. *

 

What can be done to decrease the fibrosis? Until recently, nothing. There has

been really nothing in either the allopathic or naturopathic armamentum that was

capable of lysing away scar tissue or fibrosis. The only treatment allopathic

medicine has had up to now to try to control fibrosis growth has been to use

cortico steroids to lower the level of inflammation knowing that inflammation is

one of the things that produces fibrosis. Plastic surgeons have used this

technique on their post op patients with mixed results and cortico steroid

therapies used with FMS patients have proven to be failures.

 

With the advent of oral systemic enzyme research and application all branches of

the healing arts now have a powerful and effective tool for the safe lysing away

of fibrosis and the non- toxic control of inflammation. First used in Germany

and Japan against fibrocystic cysts of the breast and to prevent post operative

scar tissue in abdominal and orthopedic surgery, the effect of orally

administered highly fibrinolytic systemic enzymes has been documented in both

research and clinical use. (See abstracts in this web site).

 

The safety and complete lack of toxicity of systemic enzymes make it the primary

treatments of choice against inflammation (as they are used in German emergency

medicine) and the only choice available for the lysing away of scar tissue or

fibrosis.

 

With FMS patients, to be effective, an activation dose of the enzymes should be

found and maintained for at least 3 months. After which an attempt can be made

to reduce the dose. Experience of the docs using systemic enzymes with their FMS

patients has shown that in roughly 50% of the patients their maintenance dose

will be about 50% of their activation dose. For the other half of this patient

population the dose will have to be maintained at the high activation dose as

lowering it causes inflammation to return.

 

(I must interject a personal note both as an FMS patient myself and as one who

has treated hundreds if not thousands of FMS patients in the last 15 years:

many, many FMS patients are actually Munchausens patients and not true FMS

patients. The true FMS patient is anxious to do anything that might alleviate

their pain including exercise, nutrition and self applied therapies. The

malingerer will be wanting the doctor to do something to relieve their pain and

and reinforce their need for being dependent. If they are getting better they

will doctor hop to another doc as relief is not really what they really want.

These patients will have the " victim " mindset and be seen to be manipulating

their families for secondary gain. With these misdiagnosed FMS patients NOTHING

WILL WORK, EVEN IF IT IS. While these patients can enrich practices by their

frequent visits, they can also pose a problem and even be an insurance liability

as they will bad mouth one doc, his or her treatment plans and bedside manner to

the next doc they hop to in a never ending line of pity seeking and

manipulation. Once I discovered this about certain FMS patients while I was in

practice, I refused to work with these folks. If the patient would not exercise,

if they would not take their enzymes, if they would not follow the therapeutic

guidelines - I would not work with them. Using enzymes, nutrition and the

correct type of exercise, over 88% of my FMS patients did not remember they had

FMS after the first 8 to 16 weeks of work! I booked no malingering, as most of

the time I was worse off than the patients I was working with and I did not have

the time, patience or energy to deal with the " pity me " Munchausens patient).

 

Fibromyalgia is a multi-faceted disease demanding a multi-faceted solution and

since a major aspect of the problem is the pain of ischemia, the only treatment

available is also the safest treatment available, the use of highly fibrinolytic

orally administered systemic enzymes, to safely lyse away the fibrin, free

strangulated muscle tissue and open peripheral circulation by lysing away the

fibrin that is clogging the blood vessels. If the unrelenting pain of FMS can be

dealt with then the rest of the problems relating to the condition can be

ameliorated with ease.

 

 

* While exercise is a must for these patients to rebuild their strength,

overcome atrophy, increase the vascular bed there by improving circulation and

oxygenation and to increase the number of mitochondria to relieve the chronic

fatigue / EBB aspect of the disease; the exercise must be strength work of low

intensity but high resistance, (i.e. 3 to 4 sets of 3 to 5 repetitions with 70%

or more of the 1 rep max.) with long rest periods of 2 to 5 minuets in-between

sets. Aerobic exercise is not generally recommended but if done must not be over

8 minutes or of high intensity (over 50 to 60% of max HR) as the patient will

have no tolerance for it, either in their energy reserves or their recuperative

capacity. (Current Adaptation Reserve, Siff and Verkhoshansky, 1999). As per

Karvonin and Cooper 7 to 8 minutes is the minimum time aerobic work can be done

for while gaining a benefit to the heart and vascular system. Please read the

article: How To Keep From Having A Heart Attack - Do Less Aerobic Exercise at

www.drwong.us.

 

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, " Maggie " <maggiesturtz

wrote:

>

> Hey folks, hope everyone is having a great day!

>

> My name is Maggie and I'm 31. The chronic pain and associated symptoms of

Fibromyalgia have made my life miserable. I was placed in " Pain Management

Therapy " to help my symptoms but they only gave me heavier doses of narcotic

medications and they all make my very sick, even with an anti-nausea medication

(not to mention I hate the narcotic side effect). My insurance doesn't cover any

of the FDA approved medications and they are very expensive. I'm hoping to find

an alternative way to combat chronic pain. I have a TENS unit but it just

doesn't cover enough area at once to be effective.

>

> Any suggestions? Any ideas?

>

> Thanks so much for your time!

> Maggie

>

[Guest guest]

Please google LDN, I also have Fibro and take that - it is a compounded

prescription, but it is not expensive, which is exactly why you don't hear

enough about it.

 

Let me know if you cannot find it.

 

Hey folks, hope everyone is having a great day!

 

My name is Maggie and I'm 31. The chronic pain and associated symptoms of

Fibromyalgia have made my life miserable. I was placed in " Pain Management

Therapy " to help my symptoms but they only gave me heavier doses of narcotic

medications and they all make my very sick, even with an anti-nausea

medication (not to mention I hate the narcotic side effect). My insurance

doesn't cover any of the FDA approved medications and they are very

expensive. I'm hoping to find an alternative way to combat chronic pain. I

have a TENS unit but it just doesn't cover enough area at once to be

effective.

 

Any suggestions? Any ideas?

 

Thanks so much for your time!

Maggie

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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, " Maggie "

<maggiesturtz wrote:

>

> Hey folks, hope everyone is having a great day!

>

> My name is Maggie and I'm 31. The chronic pain and associated

symptoms of Fibromyalgia have made my life miserable. I was placed in

" Pain Management Therapy " to help my symptoms but they only gave me

heavier doses of narcotic medications and they all make my very sick,

even with an anti-nausea medication (not to mention I hate the narcotic

side effect). My insurance doesn't cover any of the FDA approved

medications and they are very expensive. I'm hoping to find an

alternative way to combat chronic pain. I have a TENS unit but it just

doesn't cover enough area at once to be effective.

>

> Any suggestions? Any ideas?

>

> Thanks so much for your time!

> Maggie

>

HI Maggie

 

Have you tryed Acupuncture to help you with the chronic pain?

[Guest guest]

Thank you So much to all of you who have been so incredibly helpful regarding

the chronic pain of Fibromyalgia. I have a ton of wonderful information to look

up and hopefully some brighter days ahead! I'll let you know if anything works

really well for me! Have a safe and happy holiday weekend!

 

Maggie

 

 

 

, " Kaylee " <kaylee4848

wrote:

>

> Please google LDN, I also have Fibro and take that - it is a compounded

> prescription, but it is not expensive, which is exactly why you don't hear

> enough about it.

>

> Let me know if you cannot find it.

>

> Hey folks, hope everyone is having a great day!

>

> My name is Maggie and I'm 31. The chronic pain and associated symptoms of

> Fibromyalgia have made my life miserable. I was placed in " Pain Management

> Therapy " to help my symptoms but they only gave me heavier doses of narcotic

> medications and they all make my very sick, even with an anti-nausea

> medication (not to mention I hate the narcotic side effect). My insurance

> doesn't cover any of the FDA approved medications and they are very

> expensive. I'm hoping to find an alternative way to combat chronic pain. I

> have a TENS unit but it just doesn't cover enough area at once to be

> effective.

>

> Any suggestions? Any ideas?

>

> Thanks so much for your time!

> Maggie

>

>

>

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>

>

[Guest guest]

I bought some Blockbuster Allclear, seems similar to the Braggs, but does

seem to have more in it. But so far I have not noticed a difference in my

Fibro, beyond the help I get from taking LDN, which is not a pain

medication, but does help, very much with pain among other things.

 

 

 

Here is what is in the Blockbuster. What do you think??

 

 

 

 

Supplement Facts (BlockBusterT capsule)

 

 

Serving Size: 2 Capsules

 

 

Serving Per Container: 60 (120 caps per bottle)

 

 

 

Amount Per Serving Information

 

 

Serrapeptase

 

40,000 IU

 

 

Nattokinase (including vitamin K2)

 

1600 FU

 

 

Protease

 

20,000 HUT

 

 

Lipase

 

1000 LU

 

 

Amylase

 

4000 SKB

 

 

Cellulase

 

600CU

 

 

Lactase

 

1000 ALU

 

 

Acerola 17.5%

 

50 mg

 

 

amla 45% Tannins

 

50 mg

 

 

Olive Leaf Citrus Blend

 

200 mg

 

 

CitroliveT

 

25 mg

 

 

Trace Mineral Complex

 

100 mg

 

 

Lactospore Probiotics 15 million

 

25 mg

 

 

Seaprose S

 

5 mg

 

 

Grapeseed Extract 25%

 

100 mg

 

 

Policosanol

 

6 mg

 

 

PycnogenolR

 

10 mg

 

 

 

 

 

SeaLady

 

The information below shows the futility of using pain drugs to eliminate

the pain of fibromyalgia. The answer is to take systemic enzymes, such as

Bragg's Braggzyme (120 Caps). Ask for it at you local health food store.

 

 

 

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[Guest guest]

Kaydee how much are you taking a day and how many divided doses a day?

I have been taking Systemic Enzymes for about 18 monnths now and the 'secret'

so to speak, is to take take enough plus to take them 3 x a day. The amount they

tell you to take on the bottle is 'maintenance' dose ONLY. And even for

mainetenance I would not take so little. Email me backchannel and I will give

you a couple of good articles about Systemic Enzymes, and also some urls. You

also need to commit to taking Systemic Enzymes for at least 3 to 6 months or

don't bother to take them at all. The studies say that it will take at least 3

months to notice any results - this was not true in my case nor others I know

whom started takeing a good multi-systemic enzyme product. But I suspect it is

an individual things and so it is a good idea not to look for resutls for about

3 months.

 

The studies say that it is better to take the systemic enymes 3 x a day -

that is better or more effective then 2 x a day...........One recent study says

that the Systemic Enzymes are active for about 5 to 5 & 1/2 hours after taking

them.

 

I have not tried Blockbuster Allclear but know poeple whom I trust whom say

it is a good product. I was taking Zymitol by Generation Plus - it has no

fillers, especially magnesiumn stearate....... You don't want magnesium stearate

in your supplements! It is NOT a form or magnesium - it is a 'stearate' which is

a trans-fat, among other things.

 

Stearic Acid

definition

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stearic_acid

 

Beware of Additives in Supplements

Stearates – Hydrogenated Fats Used in the Production of Most Supplements–

Decrease Absorption and May Be Toxic and Immunosuppressive by Ron Schmid, N.D.,

©2003 Magnesium stearate, stearic acid and ascorbyl palmitate, made by

hydrogenating cottonseed or palm oil, are used throughout the supplements

industry as lubricants. They are added to the raw materials in supplements so

that production machinery will run at maximum speeds. These fatty substances

coat every particle of the nutrients, so the particles will flow rapidly.

http://www.drrons.com/beware-additives.htm

 

Everybody whom is going to take supplements needs to read the below

article, in my opinion. If one wants to inject magnesium stearate, then at least

they will know what they are doing. I like to get the most bang for my buck,

myself.

 

Dietary Supplements:

What the Industry does NOT want you to know

http://www.westonaprice.org/healthissues/supplements.html

http://www.drrons.com/supplements-industry.htm

 

I started off taking 20 capsules a day - then after a month I went up to

30 a day for a few months................then back down to 15 a day [5 capsules

3x a day] After about another 4 months I started also adding Serrapeptase about

3 a day. I went completely off of all the Systemic Enzymes as I ran out of

money one month - was off them for 3 weeks - had a small stroke durring that

time and will never go off them again unless I am in great and almost perfect

health...... Anyways, I have been taking just Serrapetase for the last 6 months

now. Mine are twice as strong as yours though - I take 9 a day [3 capsules 3x a

day] Each capsule has 80,000 I.U. of serrapeptase. I decided to take only

serrapeptase after being on a multi-systemic enzyme for about 10 months. After

the initial period of cleaning up your body, you need to take as many as you

need to effect what you need the SEs to do. The more pain you want them to deal

with and the quicker , the more you would need to take.If I could afford it,I

would be taking at least 30 a day as I have Bartonella and Lyme disease as

well as MCS now. What I am taking is enough to keep my blood thin so I won't

have another stroke -and maybe a bit more but not a lot.......... but this is a

lot for them to do as I have Lyme & Bartonella plus am hopefully killing a lot

of those 'critters' all the time and the SE has to get rid of them to keep my

blood thin....I wouldn't be as sick from die-off if I could afford to take

more......but we can only do what we are able to do.

 

You need to be careful how much you take if what you are taking has natto

in it though - that is another conversation......you need to read about it and

decide..in my opinion..........

 

blessings

Shan

 

 

, " Kaylee " <kaylee4848

wrote:

>

> I bought some Blockbuster Allclear, seems similar to the Braggs, but does

> seem to have more in it. But so far I have not noticed a difference in my

> Fibro, beyond the help I get from taking LDN, which is not a pain

> medication, but does help, very much with pain among other things.

>

>

>

> Here is what is in the Blockbuster. What do you think??

>

>

>

>

> Supplement Facts (BlockBusterT capsule)

>

>

> Serving Size: 2 Capsules

>

>

> Serving Per Container: 60 (120 caps per bottle)

>

>

>

> Amount Per Serving Information

>

>

> Serrapeptase

>

> 40,000 IU

>

>

> Nattokinase (including vitamin K2)

>

> 1600 FU

>

>

> Protease

>

> 20,000 HUT

>

>

> Lipase

>

> 1000 LU

>

>

> Amylase

>

> 4000 SKB

>

>

> Cellulase

>

> 600CU

>

>

> Lactase

>

> 1000 ALU

>

>

> Acerola 17.5%

>

> 50 mg

>

>

> amla 45% Tannins

>

> 50 mg

>

>

> Olive Leaf Citrus Blend

>

> 200 mg

>

>

> CitroliveT

>

> 25 mg

>

>

> Trace Mineral Complex

>

> 100 mg

>

>

> Lactospore Probiotics 15 million

>

> 25 mg

>

>

> Seaprose S

>

> 5 mg

>

>

> Grapeseed Extract 25%

>

> 100 mg

>

>

> Policosanol

>

> 6 mg

>

>

> PycnogenolR

>

> 10 mg

>

>

>

>

>

> SeaLady

>

> The information below shows the futility of using pain drugs to eliminate

> the pain of fibromyalgia. The answer is to take systemic enzymes, such as

> Bragg's Braggzyme (120 Caps). Ask for it at you local health food store.

>

>

>

> __________

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Maggie! I have Fibro, too. I have found some things to help with it over the

years. Here's what has helped me...

Chiropractic adjustments

Whey Protien (NOW brand)

multidophilus (by Solaray)

detoxing with Bentonite (by NOW or Sonne's #7)

Epsom salt soaks

I've been going to the chiropractor for 10 years & that alone helped a lot. But

I just discovered the rest last year. After a couple of months of the

supplements I listed above I was nearly pain free for a good while. I have also

recently heard of a diet for it that is 1 month of High Protien foods only, no

carbs, and no starches. Which is similar to what I did by taking the whey

protien. I've figured out by trial and error that as long as I stay on the Whey

Protien and multidophilus I feel SO much better. I'm out of my Whey right now,

so I've been a bit achey, but the pain is still minimal in comparison to what it

had been.

I hope this gives you some ideas and helps you...

Good Luck to you!

Sheri

at 37 years old I was using a walking cane... at 37 I'm strong enough that I'm

taking horse back riding lessons! =)

...............................

 

, " Maggie " <maggiesturtz

wrote:

>

> Hey folks, hope everyone is having a great day!

>

> My name is Maggie and I'm 31. The chronic pain and associated symptoms of

Fibromyalgia have made my life miserable. I was placed in " Pain Management

Therapy " to help my symptoms but they only gave me heavier doses of narcotic

medications and they all make my very sick, even with an anti-nausea medication

(not to mention I hate the narcotic side effect). My insurance doesn't cover any

of the FDA approved medications and they are very expensive. I'm hoping to find

an alternative way to combat chronic pain. I have a TENS unit but it just

doesn't cover enough area at once to be effective.

>

> Any suggestions? Any ideas?

>

> Thanks so much for your time!

> Maggie

>