Guest guest Posted April 24, 2009 Report Share Posted April 24, 2009 I was told by some doctors about a year ago that my hip was shot from osteoarthritis, I'm athletic and only forty three. Since then I've been researching how to heal, I'm currently getting something called Prolotherapy from a Dr. Faber, eating an interesting diet, suppliments...etc... Some people believe something called Mycoplasma is the cause of my problem and suggest I take antibiotics to kill what ever this stuff is and Dr. Faber agreed. Has anyone heard of mycoplasma who know's anything about it??? I do not want to take antibiotics with out knowing more, thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 25, 2009 Report Share Posted April 25, 2009 , " moonphish_65 " <moonphish wrote: > > Research cell salts. > I was told by some doctors about a year ago that my hip was > shot from osteoarthritis, I'm athletic and only forty three. > > Since then I've been researching how to heal, I'm currently getting something called Prolotherapy from a Dr. Faber, eating an interesting diet, suppliments...etc... > > Some people believe something called Mycoplasma is the cause of > my problem and suggest I take antibiotics to kill what ever this > stuff is and Dr. Faber agreed. > > Has anyone heard of mycoplasma who know's anything about it??? > I do not want to take antibiotics with out knowing more, thanks. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 26, 2009 Report Share Posted April 26, 2009 Dave There are more then one kind of mycoplasma. There are many. Mycoplasma are bacteria with no walls - they live inside cells as they have no walls themselves. Ordinary bacteria have walls -they are killed by breaking down those walls; breaking down the walls kills them. But mycoplasma has no walls so that is why ordinary antibiotics for example will not kill them - there are only a couple that will. Fungus can and does change into mycoplasma also. FUNGUS The species specific understanding of, and difference between bacterial phase and fungal phase developments in blood pictures. http://www.explorepub.com/articles/darkfield.html You can kill mycoplasma with a Rife machine - but as you know they are expensive. There are a few herbs that to do kill mycoplasma and so does colloidal silver, but you would have to take an awful lot to get it all. Usually the herbs and colloidal silver are used WITH a Rife machine etc. There is a group called Electroherbalism and many of the members are practising alternative healh practioners and very helpful. You could try asking in that group. They know a lot about herbs, as well as mycoplasmas, Lyme disease, Rife, colloidal silver, etc If you find out anything that will effectively kill mycoplasma, please let me know please. I picked up a Lyme Disease co-infection which is also a mycoplasma too. Electroherbalism Discussion of bioelectronics including Rife, Rife-Bare, EMEM, Tesla, Clark, Lakhovsky, and other frequency devices and their uses, as well as complementary therapies including but not limited to nutrition, diet, herbs, vitamins, minerals, and others. Please limit discussion to alternative health topics. http://health.electroherbalism Why I Prescribe Antibiotics By Gabe Mirkin M.D. http://www.immed.org/treatment%20considerations/Why_I_Prescribe_Antibiotics.rtf http://drmirkin.com/morehealth/G221.html The Fungal/Mycotoxin Connections: Autoimmune Diseases, Malignancies, Atherosclerosis, Hyperllpldemias, and Gout by Dr. A.V. Costantini, MD. He is the Director of the World Health Organization (WHO) Mycotoxin Collaborating Center at the University of Freiburg, Germany. Prof. Dr. A.V. Costantini, MD was the keynote speaker at the 1993 conference of the American Academy of Environmental Medicine held in Reno, Nevada. http://www.arthritistrust.org/Articles/Fungal-Mycotoxin%20Connection.pdf The Case for Mycoplasma's Role as a Cause of Autoimmune Rheumatoid Diseases by Harold W. Clark, Ph.D. http://www.arthritistrust.org/Articles/The%20Case%20for%20Mycoplasmas%20Role%20a\ s%20a%20Cause%20of%20Autoimmune%20Diseases.pdf Candidiasis: Scourge of Arthritics Rheumatoid Disease spreads with a weakening of the immunological system. Candida albicans spreads with a weakening of the immunological system. Rheumatoid Disease as well as Candidiasis seems to lead to food allergies and other kinds of allergies over time. Both diseases produce similar symptoms in many bodily tissues. Both diseases are systemic in nature. A Candidiasis victim does not necessarily have Rheumatoid Disease, but a Rheumatoid Disease victim almost certainly suffers from Candidiasis. The yeast/fungus invasion may cripple the immune system so that it can no longer repel invaders. It can create allergies to chemicals and foods. It is believed that it invades the intestinal wall where toxins from microorganisms and protein molecules from your food enter the blood stream, being there recognized by antibodies as a foreign antigen. Because proteins are derived from common DNA (gene molecule) structure, each time a new protein enters directly into the bloodstream, it, too, can become recognized as a foreign invader, and thus a " cross-reactivity " occurs, causing one to have increasingly more food allergies. What most physicians do not recognize is that Candidas albicans has six switching mechanisms10, and seven viable forms, the last being a cell-wall deficient form11, 12. While it is well known among microbiologists, that micro-organisms will change shape and function according to their surrounding environment (i.e., more acid or alkaline, et. al.), it is not very well known among establishment physicians; or, if it is known, it is handily ignored so far as development of appropriate treatments. A person who is symptomatically infected with Candida albicans most likely has the organism spread throughout many different tissues in the body. As different tissues may very well provide differing environments for the organism, it follows that there will be many different forms of the organism throughout the body. For example, a cell wall deficient form, not being recognized by the host's immune system, will float around in the blood stream until it changes to one of the other six forms. The blood stream, then, would provide a constant foci of infection for the organism. If only the intestinal tract is treated -- as many physicians do -- then there will be a constant return of the organism after what appears to be a " cure " takes place. http://www.arthritistrust.org/Articles/Candidiasis%20Scourge%20of%20Arthritics.p\ df Mycoplasma Literature Human diseases and conditions that are caused by mycoplasmas, or where mycoplasmas are a key co-factor therein: http://www.lindaemmanuel.com/pdfs/mycoplasma_research.pdf blessings Shan PS You also might ask in that group for ozone you belong too. I know that ozone does kill mycoplasma but do not know how much one needs to do it and if it can be done with only ozone and nothing else. I have not been able to find a protocol for ozone and mycoplasma. , " moonphish_65 " <moonphish wrote: > > > I was told by some doctors about a year ago that my hip was > shot from osteoarthritis, I'm athletic and only forty three. > > Since then I've been researching how to heal, I'm currently getting something called Prolotherapy from a Dr. Faber, eating an interesting diet, suppliments...etc... > > Some people believe something called Mycoplasma is the cause of > my problem and suggest I take antibiotics to kill what ever this > stuff is and Dr. Faber agreed. > > Has anyone heard of mycoplasma who know's anything about it??? > I do not want to take antibiotics with out knowing more, thanks. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 28, 2009 Report Share Posted April 28, 2009 Most of us have no access to a Rife machine, but this sounds like a job for MMS since it will get to all of these forms... has anyone tried MMS (chlorine dioxide/ Jim Humble) for this? Rheumatoid arthritis is particularly difficult to do anything with compared to osteo. Osteo responds to aggressive (large amounts of) MSM (Methyl-sufinol-methane) supplementation quite nicely in my own case when used with other more common joint supplements. However, my friends with Rheumatoid get no relief from this protocol. This is the first time that I have read that rheumatoid might be caused by invasive organisms. If this is the basic cause, MMS should get Candida Albicans/Mycoplasma (Fungal/Mycotoxins), eventually. Colloidal silver can be used along with the MMS for a broader, more aggressive effect. If candida is a part of the problem, I would never consider anti-biotics. They would exacerbate the problem and never touch the fungus. This whole thing smacks of what Simoncini has been saying about cancer and its cause. If so, rheumatoid arthritis and cancer may be closely related diseases. <%40>, " moonphish_65 " <moonphish@. ...> wrote: > > I was told by some doctors about a year ago that my hip was shot from osteoarthritis, I'm athletic and only forty three. > Since then I've been researching how to heal, I'm currently getting something called Prolotherapy from a Dr. Faber, eating an interesting diet, >suppliments...etc... > > Some people believe something called Mycoplasma is the cause of > my problem and suggest I take antibiotics to kill what ever this > stuff is and Dr. Faber agreed. > > Has anyone heard of mycoplasma who know's anything about it??? > I do not want to take antibiotics with out knowing more, thanks. > Dave There are more then one kind of mycoplasma. There are many. Mycoplasma are bacteria with no walls - they live inside cells as they have no walls themselves. Ordinary bacteria have walls -they are killed by breaking down those walls; breaking down the walls kills them. But mycoplasma has no walls so that is why ordinary antibiotics for example will not kill them - there are only a couple that will. Fungus can and does change into mycoplasma also. FUNGUS The species specific understanding of, and difference between bacterial phase and fungal phase developments in blood pictures. http://www.explorepub.com/articles/darkfield.html <http://www.explorepub.com/articles/darkfield.html> You can kill mycoplasma with a Rife machine - but as you know they are expensive. There are a few herbs that to do kill mycoplasma and so does colloidal silver, but you would have to take an awful lot to get it all. Usually the herbs and colloidal silver are used WITH a Rife machine etc. There is a group called Electroherbalism and many of the members are practising alternative healh practioners and very helpful. You could try asking in that group. They know a lot about herbs, as well as mycoplasmas, Lyme disease, Rife, colloidal silver, etc If you find out anything that will effectively kill mycoplasma, please let me know please. I picked up a Lyme Disease co-infection which is also a mycoplasma too. Electroherbalism Discussion of bioelectronics including Rife, Rife-Bare, EMEM, Tesla, Clark, Lakhovsky, and other frequency devices and their uses, as well as complementary therapies including but not limited to nutrition, diet, herbs, vitamins, minerals, and others. Please limit discussion to alternative health topics. http://health.electroherbalism <http://health.electroherbalism> Why I Prescribe Antibiotics By Gabe Mirkin M.D. http://www.immed.org/treatment%20considerations/Why_I_Prescribe_Antibiotics.rtf <http://www.immed.org/treatment%20considerations/Why_I_Prescribe_Antibiotics.rtf\ > http://drmirkin.com/morehealth/G221.html <http://drmirkin.com/morehealth/G221.html> The Fungal/Mycotoxin Connections: Autoimmune Diseases, Malignancies, Atherosclerosis, Hyperllpldemias, and Gout by Dr. A.V. Costantini, MD. He is the Director of the World Health Organization (WHO) Mycotoxin Collaborating Center at the University of Freiburg, Germany. Prof. Dr. A.V. Costantini, MD was the keynote speaker at the 1993 conference of the American Academy of Environmental Medicine held in Reno, Nevada. http://www.arthritistrust.org/Articles/Fungal-Mycotoxin%20Connection.pdf <http://www.arthritistrust.org/Articles/Fungal-Mycotoxin%20Connection.pdf> The Case for Mycoplasma's Role as a Cause of Autoimmune Rheumatoid Diseases by Harold W. Clark, Ph.D. http://www.arthritistrust.org/Articles/The%20Case%20for%20Mycoplasmas%20Role%20a\ s%20a%20Cause%20of%20Autoimmune%20Diseases.pdf <http://www.arthritistrust.org/Articles/The%20Case%20for%20Mycoplasmas%20Role%20\ as%20a%20Cause%20of%20Autoimmune%20Diseases.pdf> Candidiasis: Scourge of Arthritics Rheumatoid Disease spreads with a weakening of the immunological system. Candida albicans spreads with a weakening of the immunological system. Rheumatoid Disease as well as Candidiasis seems to lead to food allergies and other kinds of allergies over time. Both diseases produce similar symptoms in many bodily tissues. Both diseases are systemic in nature. A Candidiasis victim does not necessarily have Rheumatoid Disease, but a Rheumatoid Disease victim almost certainly suffers from Candidiasis. The yeast/fungus invasion may cripple the immune system so that it can no longer repel invaders. It can create allergies to chemicals and foods. It is believed that it invades the intestinal wall where toxins from microorganisms and protein molecules from your food enter the blood stream, being there recognized by antibodies as a foreign antigen. Because proteins are derived from common DNA (gene molecule) structure, each time a new protein enters directly into the bloodstream, it, too, can become recognized as a foreign invader, and thus a " cross-reactivity " occurs, causing one to have increasingly more food allergies. What most physicians do not recognize is that Candidas albicans has six switching mechanisms10, and seven viable forms, the last being a cell-wall deficient form11, 12. While it is well known among microbiologists, that micro-organisms will change shape and function according to their surrounding environment (i.e., more acid or alkaline, et. al.), it is not very well known among establishment physicians; or, if it is known, it is handily ignored so far as development of appropriate treatments. A person who is symptomatically infected with Candida albicans most likely has the organism spread throughout many different tissues in the body. As different tissues may very well provide differing environments for the organism, it follows that there will be many different forms of the organism throughout the body. For example, a cell wall deficient form, not being recognized by the host's immune system, will float around in the blood stream until it changes to one of the other six forms. The blood stream, then, would provide a constant foci of infection for the organism. If only the intestinal tract is treated -- as many physicians do -- then there will be a constant return of the organism after what appears to be a " cure " takes place. http://www.arthritistrust.org/Articles/Candidiasis%20Scourge%20of%20Arthritics.p\ df <http://www.arthritistrust.org/Articles/Candidiasis%20Scourge%20of%20Arthritics.\ pdf> Mycoplasma Literature Human diseases and conditions that are caused by mycoplasmas, or where mycoplasmas are a key co-factor therein: http://www.lindaemmanuel.com/pdfs/mycoplasma_research.pdf <http://www.lindaemmanuel.com/pdfs/mycoplasma_research.pdf> blessings Shan PS You also might ask in that group for ozone you belong too. I know that ozone does kill mycoplasma but do not know how much one needs to do it and if it can be done with only ozone and nothing else. I have not been able to find a protocol for ozone and mycoplasma. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 30, 2009 Report Share Posted April 30, 2009 Jim Candida is related to cancer. As per Simoncini. And though candida starts off as a yeast and fungus, it morphs into a mycoplasma. According to the Arthritis Trust Foundation of America, all those whom have RA, have candida - including those whom have Osteoartritis and Gout. There are also other contributing causes of arthritis according to this website; such as thryoid imbalances, and hormone inbalances, allergies, diet, etc . They have a whole treatment protocol as part of the basic protocol for killing the mycoplasma. Candidiasis: Scourge of Arthritics Rheumatoid Disease spreads with a weakening of the immunological system. Candida albicans spreads with a weakening of the immunological system. Rheumatoid Disease as well as Candidiasis seems to lead to food allergies and other kinds of allergies over time. Both diseases produce similar symptoms in many bodily tissues. Both diseases are systemic in nature. A Candidiasis victim does not necessarily have Rheumatoid Disease, but a Rheumatoid Disease victim almost certainly suffers from Candidiasis. The yeast/fungus invasion may cripple the immune system so that it can no longer repel invaders. It can create allergies to chemicals and foods. It is believed that it invades the intestinal wall where toxins from microorganisms and protein molecules from your food enter the blood stream, being there recognized by antibodies as a foreign antigen. Because proteins are derived from common DNA (gene molecule) structure, each time a new protein enters directly into the bloodstream, it, too, can become recognized as a foreign invader, and thus a " cross-reactivity " occurs, causing one to have increasingly more food allergies. What most physicians do not recognize is that Candidas albicans has six switching mechanisms10, and seven viable forms, the last being a cell-wall deficient form11, 12. While it is well known among microbiologists, that micro-organisms will change shape and function according to their surrounding environment (i.e., more acid or alkaline, et. al.), it is not very well known among establishment physicians; or, if it is known, it is handily ignored so far as development of appropriate treatments. A person who is symptomatically infected with Candida albicans most likely has the organism spread throughout many different tissues in the body. As different tissues may very well provide differing environments for the organism, it follows that there will be many different forms of the organism throughout the body. For example, a cell wall deficient form, not being recognized by the host's immune system, will float around in the blood stream until it changes to one of the other six forms. The blood stream, then, would provide a constant foci of infection for the organism. If only the intestinal tract is treated -- as many physicians do -- then there will be a constant return of the organism after what appears to be a " cure " takes place. http://www.arthritistrust.org/Articles/Candidiasis%20Scourge%20of%20Arthritics.p\ df blessings Shan , Jim Clark <huuman60 wrote: > > Most of us have no access to a Rife machine, but this sounds like a job > for MMS since it will get to all of these forms... has anyone tried MMS > (chlorine dioxide/ Jim Humble) for this? > > Rheumatoid arthritis is particularly difficult to do anything with > compared to osteo. Osteo responds to aggressive (large amounts of) MSM > (Methyl-sufinol-methane) supplementation quite nicely in my own case > when used with other more common joint supplements. However, my friends > with Rheumatoid get no relief from this protocol. This is the first > time that I have read that rheumatoid might be caused by invasive > organisms. If this is the basic cause, MMS should get Candida > Albicans/Mycoplasma (Fungal/Mycotoxins), eventually. Colloidal silver > can be used along with the MMS for a broader, more aggressive effect. > > If candida is a part of the problem, I would never consider > anti-biotics. They would exacerbate the problem and never touch the > fungus. This whole thing smacks of what Simoncini has been saying about > cancer and its cause. If so, rheumatoid arthritis and cancer may be > closely related diseases. > > > > > <%40>, " moonphish_65 " > <moonphish@ > ..> wrote: > > > > I was told by some doctors about a year ago that my hip was shot > from osteoarthritis, I'm athletic and only forty three. > > Since then I've been researching how to heal, I'm currently getting > something called Prolotherapy from a Dr. Faber, eating an interesting > diet, >suppliments...etc... > > > > Some people believe something called Mycoplasma is the cause of > > my problem and suggest I take antibiotics to kill what ever this > > stuff is and Dr. Faber agreed. > > > > Has anyone heard of mycoplasma who know's anything about it??? > > I do not want to take antibiotics with out knowing more, thanks. > > > > > Dave > There are more then one kind of mycoplasma. There are many. Mycoplasma > are bacteria with no walls - they live inside cells as they have no > walls themselves. Ordinary bacteria have walls -they are killed by > breaking down those walls; breaking down the walls kills them. But > mycoplasma has no walls so that is why ordinary antibiotics for example > will not kill them - there are only a couple that will. Fungus can and > does change into mycoplasma also. > > FUNGUS > The species specific understanding of, and difference between bacterial > phase and fungal phase developments in blood pictures. > http://www.explorepub.com/articles/darkfield.html > <http://www.explorepub.com/articles/darkfield.html> > > You can kill mycoplasma with a Rife machine - but as you know they are > expensive. There are a few herbs that to do kill mycoplasma and so does > colloidal silver, but you would have to take an awful lot to get it all. > Usually the herbs and colloidal silver are used WITH a Rife machine etc. > > There is a group called Electroherbalism and many of the members are > practising alternative healh practioners and very helpful. You could try > asking in that group. They know a lot about herbs, as well as > mycoplasmas, Lyme disease, Rife, colloidal silver, etc If you find out > anything that will effectively kill mycoplasma, please let me know > please. I picked up a Lyme Disease co-infection which is also a > mycoplasma too. > > Electroherbalism > Discussion of bioelectronics including Rife, Rife-Bare, EMEM, Tesla, > Clark, Lakhovsky, and other frequency devices and their uses, as well as > complementary therapies including but not limited to nutrition, diet, > herbs, vitamins, minerals, and others. Please limit discussion to > alternative health topics. > http://health.electroherbalism > <http://health.electroherbalism> > > Why I Prescribe Antibiotics > By Gabe Mirkin M.D. > http://www.immed.org/treatment%20considerations/Why_I_Prescribe_Antibiotics.rtf > <http://www.immed.org/treatment%20considerations/Why_I_Prescribe_Antibiotics.rtf\ > > http://drmirkin.com/morehealth/G221.html > <http://drmirkin.com/morehealth/G221.html> > > The Fungal/Mycotoxin Connections: Autoimmune Diseases, Malignancies, > Atherosclerosis, Hyperllpldemias, and Gout > by Dr. A.V. Costantini, MD. He is the Director of the World Health > Organization (WHO) Mycotoxin Collaborating Center at the University of > Freiburg, Germany. Prof. Dr. A.V. Costantini, MD was the keynote speaker > at the 1993 conference of the American Academy of Environmental Medicine > held in Reno, Nevada. > http://www.arthritistrust.org/Articles/Fungal-Mycotoxin%20Connection.pdf > <http://www.arthritistrust.org/Articles/Fungal-Mycotoxin%20Connection.pdf> > > The Case for Mycoplasma's Role as a Cause of Autoimmune Rheumatoid Diseases > by Harold W. Clark, Ph.D. > http://www.arthritistrust.org/Articles/The%20Case%20for%20Mycoplasmas%20Role%20a\ s%20a%20Cause%20of%20Autoimmune%20Diseases.pdf > <http://www.arthritistrust.org/Articles/The%20Case%20for%20Mycoplasmas%20Role%20\ as%20a%20Cause%20of%20Autoimmune%20Diseases.pdf> > > Candidiasis: Scourge of Arthritics > Rheumatoid Disease spreads with a weakening of the immunological system. > Candida albicans spreads with a weakening > of the immunological system. Rheumatoid Disease as well as Candidiasis > seems to lead to food allergies and other kinds of allergies over time. > Both diseases produce similar symptoms in many bodily tissues. Both > diseases are systemic in nature. A Candidiasis victim does not > necessarily have Rheumatoid Disease, but a Rheumatoid Disease victim > almost certainly suffers from Candidiasis. The yeast/fungus invasion may > cripple the immune system so that it can no longer repel invaders. It > can create allergies to chemicals and foods. It is believed that it > invades the intestinal wall where toxins from microorganisms and protein > molecules from your food enter the blood stream, being there recognized > by antibodies as a foreign antigen. Because proteins are derived from > common DNA (gene molecule) structure, each time a new protein enters > directly into the bloodstream, it, too, can become recognized as a > foreign invader, and thus a " cross-reactivity " occurs, causing one to > have increasingly more food allergies. What most physicians do not > recognize is that Candidas albicans has six switching mechanisms10, and > seven viable forms, the last being a cell-wall deficient form11, 12. > While it is well known among microbiologists, that micro-organisms will > change shape and function according to their surrounding environment > (i.e., more acid or alkaline, et. al.), it is not very well known among > establishment physicians; or, if it is known, it is handily ignored so > far as development of appropriate treatments. A person who is > symptomatically infected with Candida albicans most likely has the > organism spread throughout many different tissues in the body. As > different tissues may very well provide differing environments for the > organism, it follows that there will be many different forms of the > organism throughout the body. For example, a cell wall deficient form, > not being recognized by the host's immune system, will float around in > the blood stream until it changes to one of the other six forms. The > blood stream, then, would provide a constant foci of infection for the > organism. If only the intestinal tract is treated -- as many physicians > do -- then there will be a constant return of the organism after what > appears to be a " cure " takes place. > http://www.arthritistrust.org/Articles/Candidiasis%20Scourge%20of%20Arthritics.p\ df > <http://www.arthritistrust.org/Articles/Candidiasis%20Scourge%20of%20Arthritics.\ pdf> > > Mycoplasma Literature > Human diseases and conditions that are caused by mycoplasmas, or where > mycoplasmas are a key > co-factor therein: > http://www.lindaemmanuel.com/pdfs/mycoplasma_research.pdf > <http://www.lindaemmanuel.com/pdfs/mycoplasma_research.pdf> > > blessings > Shan > PS You also might ask in that group for ozone you belong too. I know > that ozone does kill mycoplasma but do not know how much one needs to do > it and if it can be done with only ozone and nothing else. I have not > been able to find a protocol for ozone and mycoplasma. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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