Re:statins heart disease and the China Study

[Guest guest]

Alex you wrote :

The China Study is another exercise in junk science propaganda

 

Me : This type of rhetoric is not really convincing..Let me tell you about the

China Study :

“The China Study is an important book. With his son Tom, Colin studied

the relationship between diet and disease, and his conclusions are startling.â€

-Robert C. Richardson, Nobel Prize Winner ( a quack ?)

 

" The China Study describes a monumental survey of diet and death rates from

cancer in more than 2,400 Chinese counties and the equally monumental efforts to

explore its significance and implications for nutrition and health.†-Frank

Rhode. Ph. D President Emeritus, Cornell University "

( another quack ?)

 

What they don't want you to know Alex :

 

Another new discovery of The China Study:

 

It was found after analyzing the data collected in more than 2,400 counties in

China that the minimum level of Cholesterol in our “Western Country†was

equivalent to the maximum level in China.

 

A comparison of average Cholesterol level: China versus the US:

 

Average in the US 215 mg/dL

Average in China 127 mg/dL

 

Another crumbling Myth about Cholesterol:

 

That any level lower than 150 will be a health problem.

In fact 300 mg/ dL was considered normal few years ago.

 

In rural China 85 % of the population are below the average of 150mg/dL

To a minimum of 70 mg/dL

 

“As the level of Cholesterol was decreasing from 170mg/dL to 90mg/dL:

Cancer rates were also decreasing!!â€

China Study T. Colin Campbell PHD p 78

 

Cholesterol and Coronary Heart Disease

 

During a three year observation in the southwestern Chinese province of Sichuan

and Guizhou.

There was NOT a single person who died of Coronary Heart Disease before the age

of sixty four.

 

Survey of 246,000 men in a Guizhou county

Survey of 181,000 women in a Sichuan county

 

This was confirmed by three prominent US heart disease researchers and

physicians, Dr Bill Castelli, Bill Roberts and Caldwell Esselstyn Jr. “That in

their long career they never had seen a heart disease fatality among their

patient who had blood Cholesterol levels below 150mg/dL.â€

 

“Americans consume 135 pounds of fat per year, one ton for every 15 years,

and 4 tons of fats and oils have been consumed by age 60â€

 

“90% of heart attacks could be prevented if the population’s cholesterol

was 150 mg/dL or less.â€

Elias M. Doctors get guidelines for healthy heart. USA Today 1987 June 9; Final

Edition-News: 01A

 

 

See : http://www.thechinastudy.com/about.html

 

 

Alex with all the due respect we can continue this debate, but only one subject

at the time. Next we could debate on coconut oil and cancer or the relation

betwen an high cholesterol diet on cancer, heart disease, arthritis, diabete,

MS, osteoporosis. You pick and choose: one subject at the time.. It is good to

disagree because each one of us can learn something.

[Guest guest]

, shaman urban

<shaman_urban wrote:

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> Alex you wrote :

> The China Study is another exercise in junk science propaganda

>

> Me : This type of rhetoric is not really convincing.

 

I also included a link to a thorough debunking of it:

 

http://www.cholesterol-and-health.com/China-Study.html

 

There are other critical analyses as well:

 

http://www.anthonycolpo.com/the_china_study.html

 

http://bradmarshall.blogspot.com/2005/12/is-wheat-killing-us-introduction-maybe.\

html

 

In any event, you'll never convince me that disrupting normal liver function in

pursuit of low cholesterol is the key to good health.

[Guest guest]

Alex you wrote :

 

" In any event, you'll never convince me that disrupting normal liver function in

pursuit of low cholesterol is the key to good health. "

 

Me : I guess not. It is your health, your agenda; not mine. Good luck to the

ones who believe in high cholesterol :-)

 

You should read the book or at least part of it's 514 positive reviews and

personal testimonials to have an idea of how important was this research for

humanity ..

 

http://www.amazon.com/China-Study-Comprehensive-Nutrition-Implications/product-r\

eviews/1932100660/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8 & showViewpoints=1

 

I cite : a massive series of snapshots of the relationship between diet and

disease in over 100 villages all over China. The rates of disease differ greatly

from region to region, and Campbell and his research partners (including some of

the most distinguished scholars and epidemiologists in the world) carefully

correlated these differences with the varying diets of the communities.

 

Three international teams of epidemiologists participated in the research and it

is not two or three blogs from pseudo so called " debunkers " with a bias that

will change history of Nutritional Science. By the way Dr. Campbell is a

professor of Nutritional Biochemistry at Cornell University and The " China

study " referred to in the title is the China Project, a " survey of death rates

for twelve different kinds of cancer for more than 2,400 counties and 880

million (96%) of their citizens " conducted jointly by Cornell University,

Oxford University, and the Chinese Academy of Preventive Medicine over the

course of twenty years.

 

Not your average pseudo scientists research working for Quackwatch.

 

It is not about disrupting liver functions with an whole organic plant based

nutritional plan that could include fews animal proteins. It is about stopping

the epidemic of cancer,heart disease,arthritis,osteoporosis,obesity,diabetes and

unnecessary suffering for billions of animals and humans.

[Guest guest]

, shaman urban

<shaman_urban wrote:

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>

> > Alex you wrote :

>

> > " In any event, you'll never convince me that disrupting normal

> > liver function in pursuit of low cholesterol is the key to good

> > health. "

>

> Me : I guess not. It is your health, your agenda; not mine. Good

> luck to the ones who believe in high cholesterol :-)

>

> You should read the book or at least part of it's 514 positive

> reviews and personal testimonials to have an idea of how important

> was this research for humanity ..

>

>

http://www.amazon.com/China-Study-Comprehensive-Nutrition-Implications/product-r\

eviews/1932100660/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?ie=UTF8 & showViewpoints=1

>

> I cite : a massive series of snapshots of the relationship between

> diet and disease in over 100 villages all over China. The rates of

> disease differ greatly from region to region, and Campbell and his

> research partners (including some of the most distinguished

> scholars and epidemiologists in the world) carefully correlated

> these differences with the varying diets of the communities.

 

I posted links to people who actually looked at the data the book is allegedly

based on, and the data do not support the book's conclusions. A glaring example

of this are the Tuoli people, who eat lots of meat and dairy and few vegetables,

and have lower rates of heart disease than the Jingxing people, who eat the most

veggies and are essentially vegan. Campbell is an animal rights activist who set

out to promote an emotion-based agenda with dishonest, junk science chicanery.

The China Study is laughable propaganda.

[Guest guest]

The World heath organization looked at cholesterol levels and heart disease

here what they found....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i8SSCNaaDcE & feature=related

any comments.

 

, " Alex Stanley "

<j_alexander_stanley wrote:

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> , shaman urban

<shaman_urban@> wrote:

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> >

> > > Alex you wrote :

> >

> > > " In any event, you'll never convince me that disrupting normal

> > > liver function in pursuit of low cholesterol is the key to good

> > > health. "

> >

> > Me : I guess not. It is your health, your agenda; not mine. Good

> > luck to the ones who believe in high cholesterol :-)

> >