Guest guest Posted July 26, 2000 Report Share Posted July 26, 2000 Limon1111 Use blood tonics /maybe spleen tonics to produce the blood. eg sang zhen zi,dang gui, gou qi zi,and si jun zi tang etc Maybe concider han lian cao and nu zhen zi (er zhi wan) as it treats liv and kid xu. Heiko Lade Registered Acupuncturist / Chinese Herbalist 2 Jenkins St. Green Island, Dunedin New Zealand Tel: (03) 488 4086, Fax: (03) 488 4012 http://www.lade.com/heiko Email: heiko Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2003 Report Share Posted November 26, 2003 Re: floaters I remember one of my teachers, Robert Johns, had said that floaters can be a problem with water metabolism relating back to the Kidney. I am sure where this is stated in the literature. Sean Wednesday, November 26, 2003 4:45 AM Re: Quan Xie, Wu Gong Michael, Some thoughts below. , " Michael O'Brien " <mobrien@g...> wrote: > eyes - floaters, spots questions for the group: what other causes are there of floaters or spots besides blood vacuity? liver yin vacuity? > very dry, cracked finger nails - could this be yin xu? anything else? > body temp - runs warm all the time or in evening or late afternoon? what is the nature of yin xu fever? Is there a " standard " ? what other causes could there be of this warmth? > dry mouth, dry throat could be yin xu. what about fluids not circulating due to damp stagnation? > IBS, loose watery stools aggravated by stress - sometimes foul, usually just watery > tired after eating, bloating, gas, acid reflux these symptoms all suggest spleen xu with damp and heat brewing to me > tongue - red, dry cracked body slightly thick yellow coat in back the tongue body and coat sounds like the type one sees when the patient has long term dampheat leading to early stages of yin xu. > pulse - left slippery and weak in cun position, right slippery weak in guan position, little bit fast > further confirmation that dampheat is still present. I believe this patient has dampheat, yin xu and wind. But I think the dampheat is a major factor that needs addressing. the yin xu is not that prominent yet, as there are no nightsweats. the spleen is no doubt compromised by the dampheat and the obstruction would result in blood vacuity. thoughts on your formula follow below. If he misses a dose [of quan xie] they > come right back, how long can I keep him on these herbs safely?? > > these herbs have no effect on the root of the disease. they are toxic. they work by paralysis due to poisoning. I try not to use them much at all and then not for more than 2 weeks. If milder herbs do not work, I believe the patient would be better off addressing the branch of his condition with western drugs that are effective for this symptom. He would probably need only very low doses to control his sx if he is on herbs. I would also put more emphasis on the wind calming nontoxics in the next formula to soften the transition from the paralytics. You may also want to consider a powder dosage of 5 g TID to achieve your therapeutic goal with non toxics. Todd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 26, 2003 Report Share Posted November 26, 2003 Can't cite a primary source, but I recall learning on more than one occasion that the perceived color of the floaters suggests differential dx. - white is associated with liver, black w/kidney. I believe, if memory serves, one of the people from whom I heard this was a student of Robert Johns (Yefim Gamgoneshvili - at PCOM NY.) My clinical experience has affirmed this several times, based on other corroborating s/sx. Simcha , " Sean Doherty " <sean@n...> wrote: > Re: floaters > > I remember one of my teachers, Robert Johns, had said that floaters can be a > problem with water metabolism relating back to the > Kidney. I am sure where this is stated in the literature. > Sean > > [@c...] > Wednesday, November 26, 2003 4:45 AM > > Re: Quan Xie, Wu Gong > > > Michael, > > Some thoughts below. > > , " Michael O'Brien " > <mobrien@g...> > wrote: > > > eyes - floaters, spots > > questions for the group: what other causes are there of floaters or spots > besides blood vacuity? liver yin vacuity? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2003 Report Share Posted November 27, 2003 Can't cite a primary source, but I recall learning on more than one occasion that the perceived color of the floaters suggests differential dx. - white is associated with liver, black w/kidney. I believe, if memory serves, one of the people from whom I heard this was a student of Robert Johns (Yefim Gamgoneshvili - at PCOM NY.) My clinical experience has affirmed this several times, based on other corroborating s/sx. Simcha >>>Simcha how does this translate to herbs use? Alon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2003 Report Share Posted November 27, 2003 , " Alon Marcus " <alonmarcus@w...> wrote: > Can't cite a primary source, but I recall learning on more than one occasion > that the perceived color of the floaters suggests differential dx. - white is > associated with liver, black w/kidney. I believe, if memory serves, one of the > people from whom I heard this was a student of Robert Johns (Yefim > Gamgoneshvili - at PCOM NY.) My clinical experience has affirmed this > several times, based on other corroborating s/sx. > > Simcha > > >>>Simcha how does this translate to herbs use? > Alon This is hardly a pathognomonic sign, IMO - it's just another layer of information, to be considered amongst all s/sx, pulse, tongue, etc. in assessment of bian zheng. For example if the floaters are white, it suggests a possible need to nourish Lv Bl - though of course not definitively. If black, you might be prompted to look more closely at K function, which may have otherwise been not so apparent. As always, you weigh all factors and diagnose & prescribe accordingly. Simcha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2007 Report Share Posted June 18, 2007 itmonline.org has a good write up on floaters Ross - drnovlamas Chinese Medicine Sunday, June 17, 2007 2:56 PM FLOATERS Someone in one of these alternative health rooms suggested a formaula specifically for visual floaters. Please, I need this info again. THANKS. Dr. T.C.Halle Los Angeles Please contact me at zounds456 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2007 Report Share Posted June 18, 2007 Chinese Medicine , " Ross Ralph " <courtenayhealing wrote: > > > http://www.itmonline.org/arts/floaters.htm > THANK YOU MUCH!!! ; ) BTW..in my case, the icidence of visual floaters is related to my ADD medication, methylphenidate. --Dr. T.C.H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2007 Report Share Posted June 18, 2007 In a message dated 6/18/2007 7:21:18 PM Pacific Daylight Time, alonmarcus writes: > Anyone had success getting rid of floaters? > > Dr. Marcus: Someone a few months ago advised me that there is a particular herbal formula (not Chinese herbs) that is remarkably effective with visual floaters. I regret that I have misplaced this data..and am now seeking it again. T.C.Halle, D.C. One theory of floaters is that their incidence is related to the presence of free radicals. Some claim success with anti-oxidants..and with bilberry..and possibly blueberries, which are--I think-related to bilberries. I have been consuming a fair amount of berries over the last few months...blueberries, blackberries,...also strawberries..and occasionally bilberry tea..and these do seem to have some positive effect. I would welcome most any data that other practitioners would care to share with us. ************************************** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2007 Report Share Posted June 19, 2007 Anyone had success getting rid of floaters? - drnovlamas Chinese Medicine Monday, June 18, 2007 10:21 AM Re: floaters Chinese Medicine , " Ross Ralph " <courtenayhealing wrote: > > > http://www.itmonline.org/arts/floaters.htm > THANK YOU MUCH!!! ; ) BTW..in my case, the icidence of visual floaters is related to my ADD medication, methylphenidate. --Dr. T.C.H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2007 Report Share Posted June 19, 2007 Yes, flushing the toilet. - Alon Marcus Chinese Medicine Monday, June 18, 2007 9:18 PM Re: Re: floaters Anyone had success getting rid of floaters? - drnovlamas Chinese Medicine Monday, June 18, 2007 10:21 AM Re: floaters Chinese Medicine , " Ross Ralph " <courtenayhealing wrote: > > > http://www.itmonline.org/arts/floaters.htm > THANK YOU MUCH!!! ; ) BTW..in my case, the icidence of visual floaters is related to my ADD medication, methylphenidate. --Dr. T.C.H. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2007 Report Share Posted June 19, 2007 Yes...? Hugo (is that a trick question?) Alon Marcus <alonmarcus Chinese Medicine Monday, 18 June, 2007 7:18:05 PM Re: Re: floaters Anyone had success getting rid of floaters? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2007 Report Share Posted June 19, 2007 Hugo Did they disappear on ophthalmic exam, how large were they Alon Hugo Ramiro <subincor wrote: Yes...? Hugo (is that a trick question?) Alon Marcus <alonmarcus Chinese Medicine Monday, 18 June, 2007 7:18:05 PM Re: Re: floaters Anyone had success getting rid of floaters? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2007 Report Share Posted June 19, 2007 Hi Alon, I see what you mean now (hee hee hee). One or two patients had the disappearing act confirmed by opthalmologists. Other patients did not get exams. I don't usually recommend exams for " benign " conditions. Maybe I should. I don't know how large they were. The patients could still see...? Hugo Alon Marcus <alonmarcus Hugo Did they disappear on ophthalmic exam, how large were they Alon Hugo Ramiro <subincor > wrote: Yes...? Hugo (is that a trick question?) ____________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _________ _ New Mail is the ultimate force in competitive emailing. Find out more at the Mail Championships. Plus: play games and win prizes. http://uk.rd. / evt=44106/ *http://mail. .net/ uk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2007 Report Share Posted July 23, 2007 Chinese Medicine , Alon Marcus <alonmarcus wrote: > > Hugo > Did they disappear on ophthalmic exam, how large were they > Alon > As I was the patient in this case, I do not have an answer for you. Sorry Dr.TCH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 Visit your group on the web, sign in and click messages, then do a search on floaters Ray. Posted by: " James and Elizabeth Carlson " peepers rupe137 Tue Jul 15, 2008 6:50 pm (PDT) Anyone know how to treat floaters ? Liz E-mail message checked by Internet Security (5.5.0.212) Database version: 5.10270 http://www.pctools.com/uk/internet-security/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 16, 2008 Report Share Posted July 16, 2008 , " James and Elizabeth Carlson " <peepers wrote: > > Anyone know how to treat floaters ? I've had a floater for a few years, and the only strategy I've come up with is to move it out of the way when it decides to locate itself right in the center of my vision (where it twitches back and forth while I'm reading.) To move it, I simply look off to an extreme corner, as if doing an eye exercise. That always shifts the floater to where I can't see it. Of course, that may not work in the case of multiple floaters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2008 Report Share Posted July 18, 2008 I just recently tried using a few drops of coconut water into my eyes because i was just told i have started to have cataracts. I also have lots of floaters. Well, what i noticed is that the floaters seem to have diminished, but i am not sure if the cataracts are still there. I put around three drops in each eye and used a hot towel compress over it for 10 minutes and at intervals of 15 minutes did it three times. Melly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 18, 2008 Report Share Posted July 18, 2008 I expect the success with the coconut water came from just moving the eye which will cause the floaters to move out of the way, usually to the lower part of the eye. However, cataracts can be greatly inhibited by getting enough folate in the form of leaf green vegetables spinach, romaine, kale, collards, beet greens, etc.) I had one begin to form a few years ago. My opthamologist told me to eat lots of greens, which I did. The next year when I got my exam the cataract had disappeared again. She told me in the early stages, they will come and go but to keep eating the leafy greens to keep it at bay as long as possible. , melly banagale <tita_mel wrote: > > I just recently tried using a few drops of coconut water into my eyes because i was just told i have started to have cataracts. I also have lots of floaters. Well, what i noticed is that the floaters seem to have diminished, but i am not sure if the cataracts are still there. I put around three drops in each eye and used a hot towel compress over it for 10 minutes and at intervals of 15 minutes did it three times. > > Melly > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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